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Old 12-08-2016, 12:30 PM   #26
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Or he could end up another underwhelming Malekith style villain. Serviceable villains is what we have gotten for more most MCU movies and when people say now that Spidey is part of the MCU, now we see some great villains in the movies, was Vulture one of the villains they were talking about? I don't see how Vulture is going to be better then most of the underwhelming MCU villains we saw in the past.

Here is my question, what does Vulture bring to the table that Green Goblin doesn't?
I meant that has traditionally been a serviceable villain in the comics.

Unlike the Green Goblin, the Vulture hasn't been seen before on screen. So that means he also wasn't very recently butchered on screen. He's also a classic character which gives him points over any rogue created since the late 80's. They're not using Morlun in a movie anytime soon. He has a different dynamic to Peter Parker (none) and Spider-Man than the legacy and close family like relationship that Parker has with the Osborns.

Sandman in Spider-Man 3 was built upon compared to his comic character, and while I don't agree with all the story decisions involved with the character a lot of his scenes still work very well in the context of the movie. Dr. Octopus in Spider-Man 2 is also pretty different than the Otto Octavius that was introduced in the '60 but equally compelling in the movie. Maybe even more so than a straight adaptation would have been.

Plenty of other villains have been re-evaluated and re-interpreted from comic to screen to successful results so I don't see why Vulture automatically isn't capable.

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Old 12-08-2016, 01:30 PM   #27
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I'll tell you what Vulture offers that GG doesnt. Decompression.

If you want to tell a story about Spidey's early days, you don't start with his most ruthless, psychotic, powerful villain.

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Old 12-08-2016, 01:42 PM   #28
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I'll tell you what Vulture offers that GG doesnt. Decompression.

If you want to tell a story about Spidey's early days, you don't start with his most ruthless, psychotic, powerful villain.
Good point also. I can see them using the biggest most notable big bad for the first blockbuster Spider-Man movie but as a fan who consistently read the comics, it was obvious the first Raimi movie wasn't planning long term. That was the norm at the time though.

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Old 12-08-2016, 03:41 PM   #29
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I think Vulture/Shocker combo are chosen for Homecoming simply by default in the sense, we have not seen them in any of the previous incarnations of the series.

The Big 3 of Spiderman, Doc Ock, Green Goblin & Venom have all been done, second tier done as well, so it's inevitable, the net will be spread wider IF they don't re-cycle/re-boot the Goblin underpin arc that makes Spider-Mans' world.

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Old 12-08-2016, 03:47 PM   #30
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One
- Loki
- Stane
- Red Skull
- Abomination
- Whiplash

Two
- Alexander Pierce
- Ronan
- Ultron
- Aldrich Killian
- Yellowjacket
- Malekith

Three
- Zemo
- Kaecilius

overall Top 3:
- Loki
- Zemo
- Pierce

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Old 12-08-2016, 03:58 PM   #31
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Phase 1:

Loki
Iron Monger
Red Skull
Abomination
Whiplash

Phase 2:

Alexander Pierce
Ultron
Yellowjacket
Ronan
Aldrich Killian
Malekith

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Old 12-08-2016, 06:44 PM   #32
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General Ross really is the villain of TIH. Blonsky doesn't drive the movie in any meaningful sense, he's just a manifestation of Ross' bad ideas.

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Old 12-08-2016, 06:55 PM   #33
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General Ross really is the villain of TIH. Blonsky doesn't drive the movie in any meaningful sense, he's just a manifestation of Ross' bad ideas.
They're different types of villains truthfully.

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Old 12-08-2016, 07:04 PM   #34
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The final act is all about Blonsky, so I would consider him the main villain of the film.

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Old 12-08-2016, 07:14 PM   #35
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Chalk this up to the reasons TIH is an underrated Marvel movie.

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Old 12-08-2016, 07:25 PM   #36
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Phase 1:

Loki
Iron Monger
Red Skull
Abomination
Whiplash

Phase 2:

Alexander Pierce
Ultron
Yellowjacket
Ronan
Aldrich Killian
Malekith
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Old 12-08-2016, 07:53 PM   #37
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Chalk this up to the reasons TIH is an underrated Marvel movie.
It is. I am really sad we never got any sort of follow-up.

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Old 12-08-2016, 09:01 PM   #38
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Chalk this up to the reasons TIH is an underrated Marvel movie.
I enjoyed it a lot. I was surprised to see it wasn't as well-liked as the rest of phase one. I felt it was on par with everything else we'd had for that one.

I consider Blonsky the villain. I found Ross forgettable - more so than Sterns and his semi-Leader thing.

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Old 12-08-2016, 09:09 PM   #39
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TIH was a good standalone film that also tied into the MCU. I loved the nods to the Lou Ferrigno tv series (e.g. The film's opening and the Lonely Man theme) and Ed Norton made a good Bruce Banner. I think I like him a bit more than Mark Ruffalo.

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Old 12-08-2016, 09:18 PM   #40
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Phase 1:

Loki
Red Skull
Iron Monger
Whiplash
Abomination

Abomination was last by default because it's been a while since I've watched TIH

Phase 2:

Ultron
Pierce
Yellowjacket
Killian
Ronan
Malekeith

Phase 3:

Zemo
Kaecilius


Have high hopes for the phase 3 villains. Hopefully Marvel can give them a few more minutes of screentime from here on out

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Old 12-09-2016, 01:30 AM   #41
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Loki
Red Skull
Iron Monger
Abomination
Hammer
Whiplash

Ultron
Pierce
Yellowjacket
Killian
Ronan
Malekith

Zemo
Kaecilius

I still stand that it's not a bad list of villains outside a couple of obvious ones.

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Old 12-18-2016, 12:48 PM   #42
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I haven't kept up on the movies so much; mainly just check back here randomly from time to time as used to follow this more so a long while ago plus the fact I watch some of the TV shows as I like the more story driven approach that this format allows and an increased feasible compared to what was possible in the 90's... With that being said here's what I think:

Phase 1: Loki. Only recurring villain so far in the MCU (Thanos doesn't count as hasn't been the main focus as a villain for any films yet).

Phase 2: The Winter Soldier. The good guy who's made to be bad thing perhaps allowed him to be treated with greater respect than other villains on the screen (same can be said for Loki to a lesser extent perhaps in a different non-earthly context of course). Alexander Peirce of course deserves props for supporting this character as a main villain.

Phase 3: Thanos no doubt. Again perhaps some ambiguity (in a non-earthly context) will be presented in this character as well to make multi-dimensional.

The trend is 1-note evil-doers don't make the best villains in the MCU for some reason.

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Old 12-25-2016, 02:19 PM   #43
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Phase 1:

Red Skull
Whiplash
Loki
Iron Monger

Phase 2:

Yellowjacket
Alexander Pierce
Aldrich Killian
Ultron
I have a hard time understanding how you can rate Whiplash higher than Loki, but I did like Yellowjacket.

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Old 12-26-2016, 01:29 PM   #44
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Phase 1:
1. Loki
2. Red Skull
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3. Iron Monger
4. Whiplash
5. Abomination

Phase 2 -
1. Alexander Pierce
2. Ultron
3. Yellowjacket
4. Ronan
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5. Malekith
6. Killian

Phase 3 -
1. Zemo
2. Zemo
3. Zemo
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Old 12-26-2016, 01:37 PM   #45
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Aside from Loki and Zemo, the best MCU villains have been on TV.






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Old 12-26-2016, 04:59 PM   #46
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Kingpin is one of the very best CB live-action villains ever IMO.

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Old 12-27-2016, 09:57 AM   #47
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Phase One
1. Loki (Thor, The Avengers)
2. General Ross (The Incredible Hulk)(throwing him in because he was actually a decent antagonist in his own right)
3. Red Skull (Captain America: The First Avenger)
4. Abomination (The Incredible Hulk)
5. Iron Monger (Iron Man)
6. Whiplash (Iron Man 2)

Phase Two
1. Alexander Pierce (Captain America: The Winter Soldier)
2. Ultron (Avengers: Age of Ultron)
3. Yellowjacket (Ant-Man)
4. Aldrich Killian (Iron Man 3)
5. Ronan (Guardians of the Galaxy)
6. Malekith (Thor: The Dark World)

The suckiest set of villains imo. Pierce was the only great villain out of these. The others were just comparatively bad to one another.

Phase Three
1. Helmut Zemo (Captain America: Civil War)(I really liked him. Not sure why he gets so much hate)
2. Kaecilius (Doctor Strange)

Netflix
1. Punisher (counting him as a villain since he was mostly an antagonist for the first half)
2. Kingpin
3. Wesley (I think that's his name? Kingpin's sidekick)
4. Cottonmouth
5. Shades
5a. Turk lol
6. Kilgrave
7. Nobu
8. Nuke
9. Mariah Dillard
10. Diamondback

Kilgrave would be higher in my list if he didn't bug me so much. They tried to make him sympathetic, but I saw him as just salty and whiny more than feeling for him. But he has a cool factor that would him up above Cottonmouth if I liked the character better.

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I always thought Loki was ridiculous. I can't figure why people like him so much. The first time I saw him I believe he was shooting laser beams out of the back of a pickup truck. I found all the baddies except for the mindless Suicide squad-like throw away dummies, like something out of a bad masters of the universe movie.

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Old 01-17-2017, 10:17 AM   #49
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The first Thor film is where Loki established himself, his motivations laid out, that's where he is most nuanced and sympathetic... watching the three films he's been in makes a nice little arc for his character.

If you're gunna be in the "rank the Marvel villains by phase" thread, you should prob see all the movies, as opposed to watching one and coming thru to troll

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Wow... the Phase 2 villains really were a step down.

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Here is my question, what does Vulture bring to the table that Green Goblin doesn't?
An ability to not dominate everything in the film with his inclusion.

Another way to put it: Green Goblin is kinda like two decent villains in one and that's too crowded to also do the Breakfast Club.

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