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Old 03-14-2018, 10:35 AM   #76
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On this, I'm going to stick up for little old Barry; how exactly is he (or anyone) supposed to explain to a brand new speedster how to phase? That's like someone without legs trying to explain to someone with legs how to run.

In order for show success, idiotic writing must, unfortunately continue.
I think it's about Barry this whole season, not just this episode. Barry seemed to be doing fine in Season One, Two and Three where he was exploring the uses of his powers or finding solutions intuitively. Any problems he couldn't handle, he asks from the team. This season, Barry has to be told what to do which is perplexing.

"show success, idiotic writing"

Is it any wonder many are complaining about this season?

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Old 03-14-2018, 10:38 AM   #77
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If there was an episode I dreaded the most it was this one. I watch The Flash for the Flash, not anyone else. Upon watching the episode, my fears are justified. For her to say she's the leader of Team Flash and getting Barry's powers, all it did was magnified her worst traits and showed why she was hated by viewers.

Her blogging at the end was likely the writers trying to remind us that she's a journalist yet we have not seen any of her journalism work.

After this episode, it's a good thing the show is on hiatus until next month. They knew we were going to hate the episode.

They should ask themselves why the show is losing viewers.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:40 AM   #78
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That and shes bossing around everyone including barry where the only leader should be barry like oliver with his team. Im trying to get past this nonsense but it really is stupid and even more infuriating given how great this show started season 1 til now.

Heck even grant looks sad right now being literally pushed to the side
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"I am the leader of this team!".

Iris gets Barry's speed. This entire episode was 100% pointless and only existed JUST so Iris can have super powers, even for an episode.

Worst episode of this entire series and this show can shove it for shoving Iris down our throats. The character has no true point, so what do they do, give her super powers. Everything with her is forced man. What a joke. Not to be cold, but I would absolutely LOVE if her character got killed off.

To anyone else annoyed with Iris being shoved down our throats, and are biting their tongues to post polite here, you aren't alone. Even my own mother just texted me saying "did the show get renamed to Iris"?
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Did anyone notice Iris stripping Caitlin and exchanging their clothes, without even asking?

Barry once helped Caitlin take off her outerwear after she asked to help tuck her in while she was drunk and she kinda/actually(?) said "It's OK. You can look because you're a good guy."

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What career? She hardly did her job and her excuse was hanging out at Star Labs because Barry "needed" her.
Iris said she quit her job. Where did she get her income?

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Makes you wonder what she thought of him before this...
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1. Ralph (aka Elongated Man) is an established costumed hero from the comics, thus people don't have as much of an issue seeing a few episodes dedicated in seeing him grow as a hero.

2. The fact that Iris has been established as the leader of "Team Flash" in a show called "The Flash" is the source of ire for a lot of fans here. For most fans, Barry was without a doubt the leader of Team Flash from the moment Wells (aka Reverse Flash) broke off from the group in the latter part of Season 1.

And now all of a sudden, the person with the least amount of experience and credentials is suddenly the boss of this group, let alone one that is named after the titular hero? The fact that Barry temporarily became the leader again because of tonight's events is just absurd imho.

Also, no matter how many times some may try to explain the logic behind the "We are the Flash" line, it still won't settle with A LOT of fans out there because they think it's just utter nonsense.

And the show, imho, hasn't really established Iris well enough as a reporter for her to suddenly justify that she misses being an journalist/blogger as well.
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Why did she even quit in the first place? Barry was gone so where did she get her money?

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Omg 9 posts in a row? Lol.

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Old 03-14-2018, 12:15 PM   #84
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The episode was filler. I haven't watched the show in weeks given the drop off in quality and it looks like I didn't miss much.

In terms of energy, the show seems like its been on for a decade as opposed to just a few years.

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1. Ralph (aka Elongated Man) is an established costumed hero from the comics, thus people don't have as much of an issue seeing a few episodes dedicated in seeing him grow as a hero.

2. The fact that Iris has been established as the leader of "Team Flash" in a show called "The Flash" is the source of ire for a lot of fans here. For most fans, Barry was without a doubt the leader of Team Flash from the moment Wells (aka Reverse Flash) broke off from the group in the latter part of Season 1.

And now all of a sudden, the person with the least amount of experience and credentials is suddenly the boss of this group, let alone one that is named after the titular hero? The fact that Barry temporarily became the leader again because of tonight's events is just absurd imho.

Also, no matter how many times some may try to explain the logic behind the "We are the Flash" line, it still won't settle with A LOT of fans out there because they think it's just utter nonsense.

And the show, imho, hasn't really established Iris well enough as a reporter for her to suddenly justify that she misses being an journalist/blogger as well.
For the first time I didn't despise Ralph, he was saying what most of us who want to call out Iris were thinking. Almost like he's the voice of reason. Until he started overtly praising her toward the end which was OOC even for him. To a character that doesn't earn anything to be slobbered over when Ralph had to build himself this season, I'm sure Hartley loved that part.

She was never the leader, it was always a team effort and she was never really part of the team to begin with, the writers just threw her in. Her fans want the team abolished and I can see why, it gets in the way of their badly written ship. She has no purpose outside of being a love interest. Leader? Anyone can google search, but no one acted high and mighty with the bossy attitude the way she does. Agreed, Barry had no choice but to own his place in Season 2.

A barista who knows how to do it all on the first go. I thought Rey from Star Wars was the worst Mary Sue. Barry being a "temporary leader" was ludicrous. His name is in the title of the show, it's quite obvious who it's about. Not a love interest who tumblr blogs.

Still one of the worst lines ever. Felicity in all her annoying glory, never came close to this when she was with Oliver.

I had a good laugh at that final scene. Too little too late. The writers are aware of the low drop in ratings and backlash they've been getting where Iris is concerned. The only thing they can do to save what's left is dial her back to bland default love interest. Better yet, have Barry file for divorce and make Iris go on a quest to "find herself" Taylor Swift style, far away from Central City. We've had enough of her already.


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Old 03-14-2018, 01:40 PM   #86
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Do you realise how absurd it sounds to try to say "ralph is a hero in the comics so it's ok if he gets focus? At least attempt to come up with a better reason. Iris is an established comic book character AND leading female since DAY 1. And Iris has gotten powers in the comics temporarily so everyone should be fine with it since it's established.

Barry was never the leader in this show. He can barely lead himself without having to pep talked to death by everyone.
I meant it makes more sense to see Ralph involved in super heroics as a costumed hero since he actually is a costumed hero from the comics. Iris, for the most part in her history from the comics, has always been a journalist and partner to Barry Allen.

And I don't think we have been watching the same show because the Barry that I saw from the end of season 1 was CLEARLY the leader of Team Flash until the start of this season. He led the team throughout both the Zoom and Savitar crisis. Ask everyone here and you will probably find most people saying the same thing.

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I meant it makes more sense to see Ralph involved in super heroics as a costumed hero since he actually is a costumed hero from the comics. Iris, for the most part in her history from the comics, has always been a journalist and partner to Barry Allen.

And I don't think we have been watching the same show because the Barry that I saw from the end of season 1 was CLEARLY the leader of Team Flash until the start of this season. He led the team throughout both the Zoom and Savitar crisis. Ask everyone here and you will probably find most people saying the same thing.
I gave up preaching that last part because it was obvious if you just watched the show. Sure he got advice and ideas were pitched in but its barrys team just like team arrow is olivers.

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If I asked the people here, Iris would be tnt anti Christ who surpasses Barry in story and screen time so unfortunately that'd be useless.

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I think the notion that this is Barry's team similarly to how Team Arrow is Ollie's team is incorrect. Ollie formed his team over time, and because of his character, and what he went through during those five years, he was already established as someone who could handle themselves.

Barry was essentially thrust into the superhero role - a role which is vastly different from that of a vigilante. Ollie could, and did do more unaided than I think Barry can; Barry relies more on the team - he kind of always has. Barry isn't a leading man; he's there with a team, supporting that team, whereas Ollie is leading the team with Felicity doing the desk work.

They're different characters. Team Flash isn't led by Barry; it's more of a union.

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A barista who knows how to do it all on the first go. I thought Rey from Star Wars was the worst Mary Sue. Barry being a "temporary leader" was ludicrous. His name is in the title of the show, it's quite obvious who it's about. Not a love interest who tumblr blogs.
Knows how to do it all on her first go? What? Huh? She was rescued by Cisco on her first go. She had to have the team tell her what to do throughut the entire episode because she wasnt sure of what to do or that she could do it. Where are you getting this "on the first go" from?

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I meant it makes more sense to see Ralph involved in super heroics as a costumed hero since he actually is a costumed hero from the comics. Iris, for the most part in her history from the comics, has always been a journalist and partner to Barry Allen.
And Barry doesn't have a team made up of Vibe and KF in the comics, so having Iris involved this way isn't a more drastic difference than what we've already had.

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So let me get this straight, you have a fire-based meta, and Iris (who has no experience using her powers), AND you have a teammate who has the power to literally SHOOT ICE out of her hands, AND you put her on "fire duty," and yet she does nothing (Cisco neither) and Iris just goes in alone? You're kidding me right? I mean I know that this show has struggled to find things for Caitlin/KF to do a lot, but this was ridiculous.
It did seem like after Iris barked orders to everyone else, tey just STOOD there after she left.

But i do wonder, WHEN the hell did she suddently become not just team leader, but everyone's boss??

Katlyn and cisco were working with barry LONG BEFORE she got even brought onto the team.

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The importance of the costume is not just the looks/symbol, it was also made from specialised threads/fiber that was necessary to withstand superspeed. It was assumed that either StarLabs (Wells/Cisco/Caitlin) provided Barry with his everyday/casual outfit so he could use his superspeed in daily life/emergencies/food-runs OR Barry has trained to harness the speedforce to protect his clothes when going superspeed, kinda like Superman(?). The premise from Season One was that, no special clothes, no superspeed. The fact that Iris could just suddenly use her superspeed without burning her outfit is perplexing, even if temporary. Iris did have a costume in the episode, which is also weird since it took a longer time to make Barry's/Wally's/Jesse's outfit.
Not just that, but she was running around in those sweats, literally right after gaining her powers.. So how did THEY hold up?? OR is that something they just decided to forget?? Just like initial trips for people through the stargate, froze them somewhat..

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But in all honesty, Iris is to this show on what Roman Reigns is to the WWE (anyone who still watches wrestling will know what I mean).
Oh please.

Iris is more over with fans of the show than Roman boring Reigns is with WWE fans.

Why is it some people seem to hate Iris's character? I like the character myself and when I watched the episode with my two young nephews they said "It would've been cool if she became a speedster permanently alongside Flash somehow."

I think that would have been good, or if they had Iris as a speedster for another episode or two at least.

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Oh please.

Iris is more over with fans of the show than Roman boring Reigns is with WWE fans.

Why is it some people seem to hate Iris's character? I like the character myself and when I watched the episode with my two young nephews they said "It would've been cool if she became a speedster permanently alongside Flash somehow."

I think that would have been good, or if they had Iris as a speedster for another episode or two at least.
Really because from everything that I've seen online, her character's reception is divisive at best.

And I think the reason why she gets so much flack is because of how she is used on this show.

Despite what some may claim, I strongly believe that Barry was the leader of "Team Flash" since the latter part of Season 1 and until the end of Season 3. Everyone followed his lead and stood by him when they went up against the likes of Zoom and Savitar.

So for Barry to suddenly lose that title to Iris of all people is baffling.

And let me ask this to her supporters: Can you guys honestly give a good reason for why Iris is qualified to lead Team Flash? And please don't say that it was because she was the only one available during Barry's absense.

She has neither the experience nor the knowledge needed to qualify for such a role. And the fact that they constantly have her shove our faces with the infamous "We are the Flash" line doesn't help.

Frankly, the more the producers try to force Iris down our thoatss as the next best thing will only result in people becoming more irate with her. And the sad thing about this is that both her supporters and the producers seem to justify all of this by playing the race and gender card. And if someone tries to point out all of this then that person is labeled as a sexist racist.

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You have to look at when she stepped up to become "leader". Caitlin was gone, Barry was gone which meant that Cisco/Wally were out in the field more often. Wally definitely isn't anywhere near ready to lead and Iris is definitely a stronger personality then Cisco imo. Plus it seems like whoever is behind coms is the one calling the shots.

I don't care or need her to be leader but it of course doesnt bother me as much as others in here since it doesnt de-masculinize Barry to me or make him any less important.

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You have to look at when she stepped up to become "leader". Caitlin was gone, Barry was gone which meant that Cisco/Wally were out in the field more often. Wally definitely isn't anywhere near ready to lead and Iris is definitely a stronger personality then Cisco imo. Plus it seems like whoever is behind coms is the one calling the shots.

I don't care or need her to be leader but it of course doesnt bother me as much as others in here since it doesnt de-masculinize Barry to me or make him any less important.
They could have easily come up with a story reason for Harry to assume temporary leadership of the group during Barry's absense. Just because a person is available for something doesn't mean that they are necessarily qualified for the job. Plus, I don't know why both Wally and Cisco needed to be out in the field. Wally could have handled things on his own like Barry did earlier in his career, with Cisco calling the shots from Star Labs instead.

Plus, even if Iris was the only one left it makes no sense for her to keep that role once Barry returns. Heck I still couldn't believe that she was venting her anger out on him for having gone into the speedforce in the first place. It's not like he had a choice and if he hadn't then the world would have been destroyed but clearly her feelings comes first.

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When I first saw Grant Gustin on 'Arrow", I was not impressed.

When "The Flash" premiered, I gradually came to appreciate the series for it`s tone and the take on the titular character.

Likewise, the supporting characters garnered an appreciation for their individual worth.... be it logical or not.

Thus I can accept Iris for the elements she contributes to the series, even though it is obvious that the whole 'Iris Overwatch' shtick is the on-screen equivalent of how an expectant father used to be told to "Go boil some water"...
A.K.A ; Give `em something to do.

(I don`t blame Candice Patton....She doesn`t write the scripts.)

SO.... this ep managed to take Iris Out-Of-The-Box, and give her something to do that at least had some action involved.
The humor was solid as well, with Iris` giddy flee over super speed thrills.

I had figured that this entry would be little more than filler- fluff in the on-going DeVoe Debacle arc, and indeed, it would have been just that...except for HARRY !
(Tom Cavanagh could read the phone book aloud and make it interesting.)

Harry continues to be a joy and the salvation of this show whenever mediocrity starts to creep in.

Missed Mark Of The Week:
Cisco saves Iris from being turned into fried bacon...and all he gets is a murmured 'Thank You' from Barry ...?
I would think that such a heroic last minute save deserved a few hearty back-pats, some high-fives and maybe even an offer of "Let me buy you a Coke" from Joe or somebody...
They spent all last season worrying their collective asses off about Saving Iris From CERTAIN DEATH...and here Cisco Saves Iris From CERTAIN DEATH ...with barely a notice.


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Knows how to do it all on her first go? What? Huh? She was rescued by Cisco on her first go. She had to have the team tell her what to do throughut the entire episode because she wasnt sure of what to do or that she could do it. Where are you getting this "on the first go" from?
Within one episode, it took a day for Iris to master everything Barry had learned by trial and error in 4 years. She's the GED of speedsters. She wasn't seriously injured like Barry had been all those times he fought in the field. Not one burn on her being right next to 800 degrees of fire. She knew how to vibrate her hand when she first got his powers. She somehow managed to create a tidal wave on the first go.

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When I first saw Grant Gustin on 'Arrow", I was not impressed.

When "The Flash" premiered, I gradually came to appreciate the series for it`s tone and the take on the titular character.

Likewise, the supporting characters garnered an appreciation for their individual worth.... be it logical or not.

Thus I can accept Iris for the elements she contributes to the series, even though it is obvious that the whole 'Iris Overwatch' shtick is the on-screen equivalent of how an expectant father used to be told to "Go boil some water"...
A.K.A ; Give `em something to do.

(I don`t blame Candice Patton....She doesn`t write the scripts.)

SO.... this ep managed to take Iris Out-Of-The-Box and give her something to do that at least had some action involved and some of the humor that the show delivers.

I had figured that this entry would be little more than filler- fluff in the on-going DeVoe Debacle arc, and indeed, it would have been just that...except for HARRY !
(Tom Cavanagh could read the phone book aloud and make it interesting.)

Harry continues to be a joy and the salvation of this show whenever mediocrity starts to creep in.

Missed Mark Of The Week:
Cisco saves Iris from being turned into fried bacon...and all he gets is a murmured 'Thank You' from Barry ...?
I would think that such a heroic last minute save deserved a few hearty back-pats, some high-fives and maybe even an offer of "Let me buy you a Coke" from Joe or somebody... They spent all last season worrying their collective asses off about Saving Iris From CERTAIN DEATH...and here Cisco Saves Iris From CERTAIN DEATH ...with barely a notice.

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Within one episode, it took a day for Iris to master everything Barry had learned by trial and error in 4 years. She's the GED of speedsters. She wasn't seriously injured like Barry had been all those times he fought in the field. Not one burn on her being right next to 800 degrees of fire. She knew how to vibrate her hand when she first got his powers. She somehow managed to create a tidal wave on the first go.
Iris also had a group of people who spent 4 years studying Barry and his speed. She didn't know how vibrate her hand, she didn't do it on purpose, it just happened just like when Barry traveled back in time...it just happened, he didnt know how to do it. And she had Barry tell her what to do. How did Barry learn how to do a lot of things he did? By them telling how how to. THis was literally no different.

Barry was in a burning house and didnt get injured.


The team is put in a lot of situations where they should be injured but arent.

Oh look, Wells tells Barry the SAME.EXACT.THING. that he tells Iris to do when using her power


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