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Old 07-14-2004, 03:46 PM   #51
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That's a good idea Viller, especially with the Y connector tube...but the problem is that the trigger for the silly string to come out is on the silly string can, which is on your belt. So, you'd have to run another wiring up to your wrist to somehow engage this, along with the CO2 button.

The problem with the small cans is that it doesn't hold much, but if you think about it, Spidey's real tubes wouldn't hold much either. He'd have to be constantly switching them if it were real.

Maybe I can try and draw something up...

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Old 07-14-2004, 05:11 PM   #52
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what about the design of the webs...i mean...circular ,webline,spray ...do you think diff. nozzles would help?...kinda like on the garden hose attacthments.

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Old 07-14-2004, 10:03 PM   #53
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what about the design of the webs...i mean...circular ,webline,spray ...do you think diff. nozzles would help?...kinda like on the garden hose attacthments.
your thinking way ahead... Try doing lines first and upgrade afterwards. =P

If I wasn't moving to San Fran Id probably try doing my idea but I'm going in a week and a half...

The can could be "filled" in the tube, remove the trigger on the can and use the little nozzle... putting it on the belt would empty it in the tube till theirs no more space... The pressure in the tube would still force it to come out (I guess at least) and the CO2 could push it alot further... Its hard to explain what I mean by words =/

edit: you could have one CO2 capsule on the belt also to make sure the string goes to the end... But like I said in another post I doubt the silly string is strong enough to make it out in one piece, could be wrong though...


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Old 07-14-2004, 10:09 PM   #54
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Hello,I have been reading this subject,great stuff and great ideas........im a major chemistry buff (I am going to be majoring in it in college) but I thought I could put some imput in here for the web section of it........to actually make a suitable chemical to make webs you would need a tempature reactant polymer....like a crosslink of cyanoacralate.....adipic acid.....hexamethalyne diamine and some other chemicals that I can't think of now but some type of polyethelane foam would help I think the majority of chemicals in this make-up would be a suitable polymer for that type of thing but the major problem is controlling it and "spinning" it.....some of the components above make up nylon 6.6 which is an amazing synthetic fibre/polymer.....it relies on a series or monomers and acids to complete it's structure. To make nylon (or in this case the nylon 6.6 "clone) it doesn't need a catalyst, but acids do catalyze the reaction and to complete the process you would need to spin it also to make it and also let the catalyst react to happen so it actually can spin but the beauty of it all is that when it is made it does connect or link up when touching O2 thats right good old Air so i think something like this would work but as I said the biggest pain in the A$$ would be how to keep the tempatures but I am not completly sure on this so don't go saying I came up with webs but these are just ideas.....

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my bad some times i forget things.....so its best for me to know i can refer back somewhere....and what if the string dries out "in" the tube..theres air in the tube right?...cause if it had to travel through it wouldnt it dry and clog it?

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Old 07-14-2004, 10:14 PM   #56
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It could be compressed under Co2 but compressing anything under Co2 is costly

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Old 07-14-2004, 10:23 PM   #57
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dave...by "spin" you mean..like a "spinneret" such as the comic book webshooter reference on the first page....like a small turbine....yeah its not the right word im lookin for but...its LATE, gimme a break.

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I know what you mean,lol,I know the feeling too

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Old 07-15-2004, 02:39 AM   #59
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Okay - before anyone gets too carried away here (and there have already been far too many "I really think we can do something here"). The point made by Viller is very valid. There are people working on this problem 24/7 with the equipment and access to materials that we can only dream of. People have been trying to reproduce spider-silk for decades because to do that would be to replicate one of the most amazing natural phenomenon ever seen in nature. The market for a biodegradable, steel strong, half inch thick, air catalysed, mouldable polymer is immense.
Focus on building the web shooters themselves as that is a very attainable goal - what shoots out and how far is really not an issue as long as it doesnt just dribble out the nozzle. Whatever conconction you come up with will not support your weight, will not stick to the ceiling as line to hang stuff of and will not be able to tie your kids (or your friend kids if you're a kid now) up without toxicity issues, burning of the skin, ruining of clothes, bleaching of surfaces etc.
Have the shooter fire silly string, pre catalysed nylon base, liquid fibre glass - anything that changes from liquid to semi solid.
But the shooter is the key thing here. If you can build that, then it doesnt matter what comes out of it as I'm hoping no one would start trying to swing to their neighbour's house with this thing. The impressive thing would be to forget the fantasy aspect and to create a wrist mounted, compact firing mechanism that operates by a palm trigger that wont fire accidentaly when the wearer makes a fist or grabs something and doesnt look under a sleeve, like you've strapped an air rifle to your arm and attched a bunch of plastic tubes all around it.

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I agree....maybe doing one small thing at a time and breaking it up would help
to make this easier.....baby steps ......so to speak

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Old 07-15-2004, 02:21 PM   #61
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Question I concure...But

I do agree, the shooters are the problem we could solve here easiest...but even that is difficult...although many of the ideas presented here could possibly work as functioning liquid shooters, it comes down to materials, costs, and skills...It would be difficult for just one person to posses all of these...may need a group to solve it...I myself have plans based on the design of the shooters that were not used in the first film, and very similar to Spolen23's description of his design, and I believe it would work...problem is materials and of course money, but the most difficult barrier has been skills and knowledge...I cant understand how to make the air regulator, although I have ideas like that you have to actually grab the triggers and pull them to release fluid (pretty much forcing you to use the Spidey hand movement, two fingers holding trigger ends and bending the wrist to pull a trigger (or valve) open...the buttons on the palm would be for spinning the shooters nose (perhaps just for effect...for now)
But it is hard to decide how to make these devices without some expertise and or proper materials and tools...we need to pool the ideas and see if there are actually solutions here

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Old 07-15-2004, 02:35 PM   #62
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well, i just bought some co2 catridges and I ordered a co2 quick change adapter to put them in, then i will construct a test shooter, just to see how far it will shoot and how long everything lasts..

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Old 07-15-2004, 02:37 PM   #63
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Here is the adapter I bought.


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Old 07-15-2004, 02:41 PM   #64
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...thats great Spolen23! I am looking forward to your test results...could you go into detail how the adapter works and were yo got them...

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Old 07-15-2004, 03:38 PM   #65
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Hello,I have been reading this subject,great stuff and great ideas........im a major chemistry buff (I am going to be majoring in it in college) but I thought I could put some imput in here for the web section of it........to actually make a suitable chemical to make webs you would need a tempature reactant polymer....like a crosslink of cyanoacralate.....adipic acid.....hexamethalyne diamine and some other chemicals that I can't think of now but some type of polyethelane foam would help I think the majority of chemicals in this make-up would be a suitable polymer for that type of thing but the major problem is controlling it and "spinning" it.....some of the components above make up nylon 6.6 which is an amazing synthetic fibre/polymer.....it relies on a series or monomers and acids to complete it's structure. To make nylon (or in this case the nylon 6.6 "clone) it doesn't need a catalyst, but acids do catalyze the reaction and to complete the process you would need to spin it also to make it and also let the catalyst react to happen so it actually can spin but the beauty of it all is that when it is made it does connect or link up when touching O2 thats right good old Air so i think something like this would work but as I said the biggest pain in the A$$ would be how to keep the tempatures but I am not completly sure on this so don't go saying I came up with webs but these are just ideas.....
ok, I know were working on the shooters here, but I want to get some questions out to Dave1986, just that those are some interesting ideas there, more than I really understand, but I reconize some of it from a conversation I had here after the fisrt film, we talked about mixing a mixture of Sebacoyl chloride and or Adipoyl chloride then mixed in a 1:1 ratio with hexamethylene diamine...does that make since? I dont remeber any talk about heat being an issue though...what are your thoughts

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You simply put the CO2 cartridge in the adapter, screw on the lid, which has a tip that puntures the cartridge. The adapter is screwed into fittings which will have a valve on it, for now a manula one, but later it will have the electric solenoid valve on it. I will connect it to a vessle with water in it, and have tubing connecting it all to a nozzle, i will try a needle used to pump up basketballs and such, it has a small hole and has threads on the other side to screw it into a fitting.

You can buy them at any paintball supply store online. Just type in "co2 quick change adapter" in google and you will find them.

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Old 07-15-2004, 03:50 PM   #67
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could you also tell me what is the dark circle on the side of the adapter, is it a hole or button??

...and sorry for having to ask, but which side is connected to the CO2 cartridge?

...just trying to see it in my head here

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the top unscrews, the cartridge slides in the tube, top screws back on

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You simply put the CO2 cartridge in the adapter, screw on the lid, which has a tip that puntures the cartridge. The adapter is screwed into fittings which will have a valve on it, for now a manula one, but later it will have the electric solenoid valve on it. I will connect it to a vessle with water in it, and have tubing connecting it all to a nozzle, i will try a needle used to pump up basketballs and such, it has a small hole and has threads on the other side to screw it into a fitting.

You can buy them at any paintball supply store online. Just type in "co2 quick change adapter" in google and you will find them.
That is exactly what I was thinking before I posted my first message on the board! lol

Anywho, I see where many of you are going with taking baby steps and starting the webshooter first. I'm all in to that and the webbing idea I had earlier was just for show. But, I'm liking these ideas...

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Another thing you would have to worry about is firering the 'webbing" by mistake...

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thats where some knowledge of basic programming comes in.
You would have to program the button to fire on a double tap, a simple chip would be able to do that, i do not know how to, but maybe someone here could show how to wire something to a chip and batteries.

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Another thing you would have to worry about is firering the 'webbing" by mistake...
Yeah, that was one of my worries, too. Like, if you were messing around and made a fist or something. Another thing is that you want the trigger portion to sort of move with your hand movements, not just stay in one place and stick out. But, some people seems to think that the webshooter should go in an electronic direction instead of mechanic.

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yeah ....no one wants to get sued for shooting out some girls eye lol

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Old 07-15-2004, 06:12 PM   #74
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You didn't really have to buy that for testing. I've already got two, I told you I could do it myself if you wanted

You know what sucks though? I tried to buy CO2 cartridges about a week ago for some 'testing', and they said you had to be 21! I was like "No, you have to be 18." He wouldn't sell them to me since I'm 18 and not 21 Really ticked me off...so now, I can't do my testing until I get someone to buy them for me. I need to hit a few other places I guess...

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Another thing is that you want the trigger portion to sort of move with your hand movements, not just stay in one place and stick out.
Since the trigger serves no other purpose than just having to press it, I always thought it should just be connected with a wire, not the huge old thing on a piece of metal like it's usually displayed. Just put a strap on the underside of the buttons to wrap around your hand. a wire or two with some layering would work better than a piece of metal like in the comics

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