Do you support the death penalty

[hippie_hunter]

I am doing a report on the Death Penalty for my law class and I want to see what the average person thinks of it. Please tell me about you opinions about the death penalty.

[douglas]

I'm for it, and I also feel they should all be televised live on network TV.

[PALADIN]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

I am doing a report on the Death Penalty for my law class and I want to see what the average person thinks of it. Please tell me about you opinions about the death penalty.

....Well, while I am hardly "the average person"; my opinions are as follows...

There are certain crimes that merit no lesser punishment than Death.
One might think that Life Imprisonment is sufficient, but that Sentence allows the Guilty both paid shelter and food for Life ( supposedly) and the hope that at some time, their Sentence might be Commuted --either by caprice of Elected Officials or by some circumstance ( there have been cases of both escapes and clerical errors releasing prisoners convicted of Capitol Crimes).

Thus, a Life Sentence is in no way a "definite" punishment or even a indefinitely prolonged one. ( In most penal systems, a court sentence is automatically cut in half due to overcrowding of the prisons. Many "Life" sentences are actually made subject to Parole review by this measure)

So--in ONLY cases where Guilt is established BEYOND ALL POSSIBILITY OF DOUBT.....I see nothing inherently wrong with The Death Penalty. As far as I am concerned, when certain crimes are committed, the Guilty has in effect; forfeited All Right To Life by their willful victimization of another Human Being.

In short....

There is nothing wrong with people being killed.
As long as it is The Right People.

Bear in mind, that each such case must be considered entirely on it`s own merits and details examined minutely. There must be NO QUESTION.

By the way, anyone opposing my viewpoint; please spare me any "But What If..." and "Well, Suppose..." situations you may craft to illustrate and support your dissent .
I DID say that Each Situation MUST be considered individually, so I am in no way advocating an Automatic Death Sentence.

As such, I have abstained from voting in the poll, since I find it extremely general in scope and waay too limited in the choices offered.

[Tukiluka]

I do not support the death penalty because I do not believe that we as human beings have the right to kill a fellow human being, except in cases of self defense.

For self defense purposes, which includes the welfare of the nation one lives in, the killing of another human being is ethical.

So while abortion and capital punishment are wrong, just wars are most certainly acceptable.

[Constantine J.]

Originally Posted by Tukiluka

I do not support the death penalty because I do not believe that we as human beings have the right to kill a fellow human being, except in cases of self defense.

For self defense purposes, which includes the welfare of the nation one lives in, the killing of another human being is ethical.

So while abortion and capital punishment are wrong, just wars are most certainly acceptable.

I agree with you in almost evrything.

but to me Killing is never "ethical", could be "necessary" but never ethical.

[Supergirl]

Originally Posted by Tukiluka

I do not support the death penalty because I do not believe that we as human beings have the right to kill a fellow human being, except in cases of self defense.

For self defense purposes, which includes the welfare of the nation one lives in, the killing of another human being is ethical.

So while abortion and capital punishment are wrong, just wars are most certainly acceptable.

These are my feelings as well Tuk

[Wiseman]

Originally Posted by PALADIN

....Well, while I am hardly "the average person"; my opinions are as follows...

There are certain crimes that merit no lesser punishment than Death.
One might think that Life Imprisonment is sufficient, but that Sentence allows the Guilty both paid shelter and food for Life ( supposedly) and the hope that at some time, their Sentence might be Commuted --either by caprice of Elected Officials or by some circumstance ( there have been cases of both escapes and clerical errors releasing prisoners convicted of Capitol Crimes).

Thus, a Life Sentence is in no way a "definite" punishment or even a indefinitely prolonged one. ( In most penal systems, a court sentence is automatically cut in half due to overcrowding of the prisons. Many "Life" sentences are actually made subject to Parole review by this measure)

So--in ONLY cases where Guilt is established BEYOND ALL POSSIBILITY OF DOUBT.....I see nothing inherently wrong with The Death Penalty. As far as I am concerned, when certain crimes are committed, the Guilty has in effect; forfeited All Right To Life by their willful victimization of another Human Being.

In short....

There is nothing wrong with people being killed.
As long as it is The Right People.

Bear in mind, that each such case must be considered entirely on it`s own merits and details examined minutely. There must be NO QUESTION.

By the way, anyone opposing my viewpoint; please spare me any "But What If..." and "Well, Suppose..." situations you may craft to illustrate and support your dissent .
I DID say that Each Situation MUST be considered individually, so I am in no way advocating an Automatic Death Sentence.

As such, I have abstained from voting in the poll, since I find it extremely general in scope and waay too limited in the choices offered.

What he said.........although I voted for yes.

[JC Denton]

Yes, of course I do. I can't even begin to understand why someone would not support it.

[Jennifer Lopez]

No, I do not support it. It's rather barbaric for a civilized nation to live by an "eye for an eye" type view of crime and punishment. Life in prison does what we need it to do - it keeps convicted killers from killing more.

Even if you could argue that some crimes are so heinous that they merit such action, the people don't seem capable of applying the death penalty "fairly." Retarded people? People who committed the crimes as minors? No, it is absolutely disgraceful that those people are put to death.

Also, I'm with the Catholics on this issue. It's not our place to pass a sentence of death on fellow citizens.

[JC Denton]

If you are retarded, and you kill someone, then you should get the same punishment. Otherwise you are just a burden on society.

[maxwell's demon]

Originally Posted by JC Denton

Yes, of course I do. I can't even begin to understand why someone would not support it.

Then you must TRULY be enlightened, oh genius one!

[JC Denton]

As opposed to what, paying for the imprisonment of someone very few people want alive? Put a bullet in their heads, done. No more murderer, no more expensive incarceration. I think the protests from people such as yourself would be a welcome price to pay for such a system.

[Wiseman]

Originally Posted by maxwell's demon

Then you must TRULY be enlightened, oh genius one!

How's it goin maxwell? Long time no see.

[Jennifer Lopez]

Originally Posted by JC Denton

If you are retarded, and you kill someone, then you should get the same punishment. Otherwise you are just a burden on society.

If you're retarded it's entirely possible you don't even comprehend the difference between right and wrong properly. If you're reatard and you kill someone, you should be locked up, not murdered.

And a burden on society? I missed when we started killing the obese, the poor, people named Ralph Nader, and the right wing nutjobs. You don't kill someone because they're a burden. It is not your place to do so. It is not this country's place to do so. We are not WWII era Germany.

[maxwell's demon]

Originally Posted by Wiseman

How's it goin maxwell? Long time no see.

eh...

been trying to bite my tongue around self proclaimed geniuses.

it's tough, y'know?

[JC Denton]

Originally Posted by Jennifer Lopez

If you're retarded it's entirely possible you don't even comprehend the difference between right and wrong properly. If you're reatard and you kill someone, you should be locked up, not murdered.

And a burden on society? I missed when we started killing the obese, the poor, and the right wing nutjobs. You don't kill someone because they're a burden. It is not your place to do so. It is not this country's place to do so. We are not WWII era Germany.

If you kill someone, and you don't understand what you did, to bad, you are a burden. We can't hold you hand while you are slitting throats.

And yes, burden to society as in "a retarded killer that can't be punished because being retarded makes you immune to common law in the eyes of the bleeding hearts", not as in "Hey guys, lets go to a Klan meeting!". Stop twisting my words around.

[JC Denton]

Originally Posted by maxwell's demon

eh...

been trying to bite my tongue around self proclaimed geniuses.

it's tough, y'know?

State proclaimed, and feel free to say whatever you wish. Believe me, with people like Cryptic around, you aren't likely to say anything that bad.

[Wiseman]

Originally Posted by maxwell's demon

eh...

been trying to bite my tongue around self proclaimed geniuses.

it's tough, y'know?

Yeah I saw that thread you started saying you weren't going to post in the political forums that much anymore. It's a shame, you are one of the more level headed people on here. I haven't posted much in here since I've been back either, I don't know why though.

[Jennifer Lopez]

Originally Posted by JC Denton

If you kill someone, and you don't understand what you did, to bad, you are a burden. We can't hold you hand while you are slitting throats.

And yes, burden to society as in "a retarded killer that can't be punished because being retarded makes you immune to common law in the eyes of the bleeding hearts", not as in "Hey guys, lets go to a Klan meeting!". Stop twisting my words around.

I didn't twist anything, though you are.

Please point out to me where I stated that retarded people could not be punished? Or perhaps where I stated that we should hold their hands?

Sentence them to life in prison without possibility of parole. If you think that spending the resto f your days on Earth in a cell isn't punishment, you're out of your mind.

[the defenders]

Originally Posted by maxwell's demon

eh...

been trying to bite my tongue around self proclaimed geniuses.

it's tough, y'know?

We really need you back here more man. JC is bringing a new level of craziness to these forums. come back.

[Wiseman]

Originally Posted by the defenders

We really need you back here more man. JC is bringing a new level of craziness to these forums. come back.

Yeah but in all honesty, JC is like the right-wing version of Shelby(Where is he anyway?) so it kinda balances out. I'd love to see them two go at it.

[Baby Pain]

Originally Posted by JC Denton

If you kill someone, and you don't understand what you did, to bad, you are a burden. We can't hold you hand while you are slitting throats.

And yes, burden to society as in "a retarded killer that can't be punished because being retarded makes you immune to common law in the eyes of the bleeding hearts", not as in "Hey guys, lets go to a Klan meeting!". Stop twisting my words around.

Maybe if we wouldn't spend as much money as we do imprisoning drug offenders our system wouldn't be as burdened when it comes to isolating violent murderers who would otherwise be executed.

[DarthElektra]

I think its right,but if it gets taken away,I dont care.

[the defenders]

Originally Posted by Wiseman

Yeah but in all honesty, JC is like the right-wing version of Shelby(Where is he anyway?) so it kinda balances out. I'd love to see them two go at it.

Heh. Hey, I don't mind either of them. But they both bring the same insanity.

[Tukiluka]

Originally Posted by Baby Pain

Maybe if we wouldn't spend as much money as we do imprisoning drug offenders our system wouldn't be as burdened when it comes to isolating violent murderers who would otherwise be executed.