Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back

[Obsidian]

Looks like it. I mean there has been so many problems with Marvel movies. Some of the movies were failures (Blade: Trinity and Elektra) because they were mishandled and X3 seems to be mishandled by FOX. Yet, while all this, is happening, DC is making a comeback in movies. Batman and Superman movies are already in the works, with one coming this year and the other coming next. And more are sure to follow because Batman and Superman are iconic figures. Fantastic Four is Marvel's saving grace this year, if it fails, Marvel will suffer heavily. Plus, DC is getting real talent to take over its movies ( i.e. Christopher Nolan, Bryan Singer, etc).

[superhuman]

DC hasn't made a comeback yet, we'll see. Catwoman was a huge flop. Hopefully Batman Begins will help DC. As for Marvel, it's unfair to believe that every movie they put out will be a hit, NO studio has had consistent luck with its film properties. And Marvel has alot of great characters still to come, so let's not dog Marvel yet. Hopefully FF will be a huge hit, because you are right, if FF flops, Marvel will begin its downward spiral.

[Kable24]

Besides The average film goer, not comic book fan more than likely still has a sour taste from Batman and Robin and might think this is what they will get. Don't call X3 a mistake already just because Brian Singer is directing. Don't call BB and SR a hit because who kbnows what will happen with them.

[HighVoltage]

and DC's getting its back ............

To Great movies again,Let me see;

Catwoman;Great Movie,great acting,great performance,yeah this movie is the best example of good movies about Dc,yeah even Die Hard Bat-Fans are proudly about this movie.

Constantine;With No Relation with original character,with no relationship with Alan Moore,with no great fanbase,yeah this movie is great,It's The Matrix meets Alan Moore,even Keanu Reeves looks similar to Sting.Neo is the Twin Brother of Sting.

Batman Begins Again!!!???;Yeah,people don´t remember that spectacular films about director best known as Joel Shumacher,with great actors, Batman movies are the best of the best of comic book movies,even first movies directed by Tim Burton are great films because he always just take care about the main characters of this films,yeah like Joker,Catwoman,Pengin,Max Schreck,and yes Gotham City,Tim Burton was a great director for Dc films, he was a big fan of...Joker,Er, eh No, Batman,yes Batman.

[redlion2]

It's waaayyyy too early to tell if that's true. Personally, I hope DC's movies are good because not only will I be there enjoying them but this will force Marvel to stay on it's toes as a player to be reckoned with in cinema.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Gotta disagree Obsidian!

DC is not making a comeback yet. June is months away, and even if BB hits, it's not a guarantee anything else good will follow. Marvel has like 18 movies coming out in the next 2 years, and nearly all of them could be major, major blockbusters (esp. the spin-offs). The trail of DC stinkers far outweigh anything Marvel has produced in the last year or so.

DC/Warner have yet to leave their comfort zone consisting of Batman and Superman. I want to see them take some risks like Marvel is doing, instead of playing it safe all the time.

Besides, it's not like they didn't straight JACK all of the talent that made the X-Men films successful for their new Supes film. Talk about being original.

[hippie_hunter]

The problem with Marvel is that the movie industry has made them rather arrogant. It made Marvel very money hungry, the quality in their comics has been affected by this arrogance because of it. Their movies are starting to see Marvel's money hunger, Blade Trinity and Elektra show this. Marvel should concentrate on their comics and make movies of Captain America, Thor, Dr. Strange, Iron Man, Black Panther and Silver Surfer instead of sequels, Ant-Man, Man-Thing, and Mort the Dead Teenager

DC has put some great quality in their comics but because they are owned by WB, the movies have been rather crappy because they have no say in the movies. Superman III, Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, Supergirl, Steel, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, and Catwoman are prime examples of crappy DC movies. The bad ones outweigh the good ones Superman the Movie, Superman II, Batman and Batman Returns. But this may change with Batman Begins and Superman Returns and may spark Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, and Aquaman all leading up to a JLA movie, something Marvel can never do with their Avengers

[Lightning Strykez!]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

But this may change with Batman Begins and Superman Returns and may spark Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, and Aquaman all leading up to a JLA movie, something Marvel can never do with their Avengers

Why not? Are you saying because the studios are split with all the franchises?

[HighVoltage]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

The problem with Marvel is that the movie industry has made them rather arrogant. It made Marvel very money hungry, the quality in their comics has been affected by this arrogance because of it. Their movies are starting to see Marvel's money hunger, Blade Trinity and Elektra show this. Marvel should concentrate on their comics and make movies of Captain America, Thor, Dr. Strange, Iron Man, Black Panther and Silver Surfer instead of sequels, Ant-Man, Man-Thing, and Mort the Dead Teenager

Arrogant?,Who is arrogant? Dc is arrogant,because in past years ,always that people from Dc was Arrogant,I remember the decade of 90s with Batman & Batman Returns,In words of Dc people and Dc fans,they said,"Hey look at Us,we have the best comic book movies of all time,with Superman,the greatest one,we have a great movies with Batman ,yeah,even we have the best tv cartoon of all time;Batman The Animated Series,MARVEL and his MARVEL ZOMBIES,Tell me,what projects they have; X-MEN THE SERIES and SPIDER- MAN TV CARTOON,that cartoons are not rival for Batman Animated Series,Where is X-MEN THE MOVIE or SPIDER- MAN THE MOTION PICTURE,That projects are only rumors created by MARVEL ZOMBIES", please tell me Hippie Hunter,That's not Arrogance?.

Arrogant is the movie of Catwoman,with a budget of $115 million dollars,with an actress from another comic book movie,with a great production,that movie was a big fiasco,why?,Because Warner & Dc Have loads of money,only for wasting in nothing,That Catwoman Movie was a waste of money,and Warner/Dc knew it before production of Catwoman.

That thing is Arrogance. Dude.

[The Sage]

Originally Posted by HighVoltage

and DC's getting its back ............

To Great movies again,Let me see;

Catwoman;Great Movie,great acting,great performance,yeah this movie is the best example of good movies about Dc,yeah even Die Hard Bat-Fans are proudly about this movie.

It made more than Elektra.

Constantine;With No Relation with original character,with no relationship with Alan Moore,with no great fanbase,yeah this movie is great,It's The Matrix meets Alan Moore,even Keanu Reeves looks similar to Sting.Neo is the Twin Brother of Sting.

And what fanbase did Blade have when it came out

Batman Begins Again!!!???;Yeah,people don´t remember that spectacular films about director best known as Joel Shumacher,with great actors, Batman movies are the best of the best of comic book movies,even first movies directed by Tim Burton are great films because he always just take care about the main characters of this films,yeah like Joker,Catwoman,Pengin,Max Schreck,and yes Gotham City,Tim Burton was a great director for Dc films, he was a big fan of...Joker,Er, eh No, Batman,yes Batman.

Fortunately the buzz and the trailers are showing that this franchise is headed in the right direction, so Schumacher will be forgotten.

Hey, I'm not saying I want Marvel to do bad, I want it do really well. I want to see both DC and Marvel succeed. But right now, at least until next year it's not looking good.

[Obsidian]

Originally Posted by LightninStrikez

Gotta disagree Obsidian!

DC is not making a comeback yet. June is months away, and even if BB hits, it's not a guarantee anything else good will follow. Marvel has like 18 movies coming out in the next 2 years, and nearly all of them could be major, major blockbusters (esp. the spin-offs). The trail of DC stinkers far outweigh anything Marvel has produced in the last year or so.

DC/Warner have yet to leave their comfort zone consisting of Batman and Superman. I want to see them take some risks like Marvel is doing, instead of playing it safe all the time.

Besides, it's not like they didn't straight JACK all of the talent that made the X-Men films successful for their new Supes film. Talk about being original.

Look, I don't want Marvel to get any worse or anything because I've loved the X-Men movies, Spiderman 2, and the first two Blade movies. But Marvel has had 2 failures one after the other within a one month period. DC has yet to do that. Marvel better get their act together and convince those movie studios handling their franchises with competent directors instead of people like Rob Bowman. That's their big problem. For some reason, they're lazy. There are plenty of talented directors, Marvel should seek them out. But they don't. They settle for directors that direct box office bombs. Why? Because they're cheap. Yeah, taking risks. Ha! Oh, instead of David Fincher, Arad wanted MSJ to direct Daredevil. Fincher was willing to do Daredevil and Fincher is a much better director than MSJ. Shows you how smart Arad is.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by HighVoltage

Arrogant?,Who is arrogant? Dc is arrogant,because in past years ,always that people from Dc was Arrogant,I remember the decade of 90s with Batman & Batman Returns,In words of Dc people and Dc fans,they said,"Hey look at Us,we have the best comic book movies of all time,with Superman,the greatest one,we have a great movies with Batman ,yeah,even we have the best tv cartoon of all time;Batman The Animated Series,MARVEL and his MARVEL ZOMBIES,Tell me,what projects they have; X-MEN THE SERIES and SPIDER- MAN TV CARTOON,that cartoons are not rival for Batman Animated Series,Where is X-MEN THE MOVIE or SPIDER- MAN THE MOTION PICTURE,That projects are only rumors created by MARVEL ZOMBIES", please tell me Hippie Hunter,That's not Arrogance?.

Arrogant is the movie of Catwoman,with a budget of $115 million dollars,with an actress from another comic book movie,with a great production,that movie was a big fiasco,why?,Because Warner & Dc Have loads of money,only for wasting in nothing,That Catwoman Movie was a waste of money,and Warner/Dc knew it before production of Catwoman.

That thing is Arrogance. Dude.

Ummmm....DC has no say whatsoever in their movies thats why the more recent ones have sucked ass. Marvel was once far better than DC comics wise and DC was better movie wise, today those roles have reversed. Funny irony huh

Marvel needs to go back to concentrating on the 616 Universe comics and ditch the crappy Ultimate Marvel Universe comics, and instead of making sequels, Ant-Man, Mort the Dead Teenager, Ghost Rider, and Man-Thing, concentrate on Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Namor, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Silver Surfer, Luke Cage and Nick Fury.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by LightninStrikez

Why not? Are you saying because the studios are split with all the franchises?

Yes, a live action Avengers movie will never, ever happen

[hey yo its sean]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

Yes, a live action Avengers movie will never, ever happen

To add to this - Didn't Arad also say something about an Avengers movie being an estimated cost of 500+ million? I don't see how or why it'd cost that much, but if that's a legitamate figure, then yes; the Avengers will never have a live-action movie.

[Erzengel]

Marvel has had some misses to be sure with Blade Trinity and Elektra. But with Spiderman 1 & 2, X-Men 1 & 2, Blade 1 & 2 and fans divided on Hulk and Daredevil, I don't think that Marvel is "losing" it touch. FF will not make or break Marvel films. Spiderman 3 and X-Men 3 are on the horizon.

DC has everything to prove and nothing to lose in my opinion. It hasn't had a good movie since when Batman Returns (which even BR is debatable), technically Batman: Mask of the Phatasm (Best intereptation of Batman to date). I see Constantine as DC's (Blade). Batman Begins while critical to DC's credibility is not the only chance of success with Superman on it's way but I think that Batman Begins needs to be as good as Spiderman or X-Men for DC to be able to have any level of respect and sweep to the side the Catwoman, Steel, Batman and Robin debacles.

[Kmack]

When Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, Luke Cage, X-men 3, Iron man, Hulk 2, Namor, Spider-man 3, Wolverine, Captain America, and Thor fail....I'll admit defeat

[CConn]

But it is to early to say...in 5 years it may be a different story; DC has Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, V for Vendetta, and Watchmen...not to mention all their sequels...all gearing up to be made or released. Those are DC's germs. While Marvel's already released all of most of their A-List-Superhero movies...that could give DC the edge...

But right now, we just don't know. It all depends on the quality of the movies that are being/will be made...

[Lord Blackbolt]

I actually hope they stop making Marvel movies for a while. Cause I'm a bit tired of them. I want a freaking Green Lantern movie. If I get a great GL movie...I'll be fine.

[HighVoltage]

Originally Posted by CConn

But it is to early to say...in 5 years it may be a different story; DC has Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, V for Vendetta, and Watchmen...not to mention all their sequels...all gearing up to be made or released. Those are DC's germs. While Marvel's already released all of most of their A-List-Superhero movies...that could give DC the edge...

But right now, we just don't know. It all depends on the quality of the movies that are being/will be made...

Superman;Character with high risks,why? only a few people likes Superman;because He is an Alien and people fears Aliens(Specially on U.S.A),he's Not Human,he is from another planet,he don´t born in U.S.A,something else,he is perfect & so powerful,even nobody on DC can´t stop him,yeah that character is Arrogant,because he can do anything,you only see Quentin Tarantino´s Monologue about Superman. Nuff Said.

Batman Begins Again!!!???;this new movie is a re-start,ok,but what kind of re-start?;with Horrible New Bat-Costume,yeah and you know it´s true,awful Mask for Scarescrow(Is a sack of potatoes)that costumes are awfuls for a Superhero filme,now let me see the images from trailers,first trailer look similar to a Brad Pitt's filme;Seven Years On Tibet,and that images from the(Bat)cave,I think is same scenes from Batman Forever(and that's not a good signal),because bat-fans and moviegoers are not same thing,for a bat-fan that images are awesome,but for a moviegoer that images is...same thing with previous movies,why?,because people don´t forget first Batman Movies,Dc thinks wrong about Halle Berry's Catwoman and was happen,that movie was hated for general public,even when my mother saw tv commercials about new Catwoman,she said;"That´s Not Michelle",an obvious opinion about Michelle Pffeifer(Tim Burton´s Catwoman) and the new Catwoman movie,people don´t forget,and fans & moviegoers are not same thing.

Wonder Woman;First time when I saw a news about Wonder Woman was in 1998 year,with Sandra Bullock attached to project,now what´s going on,people don´t love Heroine Movies,why?,I dont Know,you just take a look about Lara Croft Movies,good action movies,but people hates that movies,because main character is a woman,Sad but Truth,now do you really thinks Wonder Woman Movie is project for a good box office, because I don´t believe it,now tell me the story about Wonder Woman,gimme a good story of Wonder Woman Comics,who is the villian?;Cheetah,no that´s bad character,something else?,no he/she is only Wonder Woman's villian.the path is very,very difficult for a Wonder Woman Movie.

Flash and Green Lantern;This is the truth,Warner/Dc Movies=Superman & Batman,sorry but no place for a Flash or Green Lantern movie,why?;you see the movie news;"Batman have a new movie","Superman have a new casting","Batman vs Superman could be a movie",Where is Justice League Movie Project?,Warner have all superfriends in same place,why Batman have a director only for him?,hey what person was the original director of THE X-MEN?,yep that Mercenary known as Bryan Singer,he was a director of a group of Superheroes,why Singer is not a director for a Justice League The Movie?,because only characters who really are important for Warner are;"The Dc Divas";Batman & Superman.Flash Movie or Green Lantern Movie are only rumours created by fans on Internet.


Now Watchmen;That movie is a Paramount production Non?,is from another studio,Watchmen is not a Warner Movie,maybe Dc is the publisher of Alan Moore Comics,but that characters don´t belongs totally to Dc;look at this example; Conan With Marvel,Conan was a MARVEL Comic for many years,but now MARVEL Don´t Owns Conan rights anymore,it´s same thing for Watchmen/Dc,maybe Dc owns Watcmen rights but no for a movie or a new story for comics,please show me a copy of Watchmen vs Justice League,if you have a copy of this crossover,Watchmen is Not a Movie from Dc.

And for;V For Vendetta;I dont know much about this comic of movie,only thing I Know is a production of Wachowski Brothers(Matrix),but only Matrix name Screams;Bad Movie.

See ya.

[hippie_hunter]

You are a dumbass

[Obsidian]

Superman;Character with high risks,why? only a few people likes Superman;because He is an Alien and people fears Aliens(Specially on U.S.A),he's Not Human,he is from another planet,he don´t born in U.S.A,something else,he is perfect & so powerful,even nobody on DC can´t stop him,yeah that character is Arrogant,because he can do anything,you only see Quentin Tarantino´s Monologue about Superman. Nuff Said.

Only a few people like Superman? Ummm, have you been living under a rock for the past decade? Wow, what a great and valid argument that people don't like Superman because he is an alien ( ). Truth is that Superman is one of the most celebrated American icons for almost a century. His "death" in 1993 was highlighted by many media groups and television shows. People were wondering when he was going to come back. And if he would come back. Yeah, few people like Superman, that's why he's been in dozens of shows (both live action and animated) over the past few decades.

Batman Begins Again!!!???;this new movie is a re-start,ok,but what kind of re-start?;with Horrible New Bat-Costume,yeah and you know it´s true,awful Mask for Scarescrow(Is a sack of potatoes)that costumes are awfuls for a Superhero filme,now let me see the images from trailers,first trailer look similar to a Brad Pitt's filme;Seven Years On Tibet,and that images from the(Bat)cave,I think is same scenes from Batman Forever(and that's not a good signal),because bat-fans and moviegoers are not same thing,for a bat-fan that images are awesome,but for a moviegoer that images is...same thing with previous movies,why?,because people don´t forget first Batman Movies,Dc thinks wrong about Halle Berry's Catwoman and was happen,that movie was hated for general public,even when my mother saw tv commercials about new Catwoman,she said;"That´s Not Michelle",an obvious opinion about Michelle Pffeifer(Tim Burton´s Catwoman) and the new Catwoman movie,people don´t forget,and fans & moviegoers are not same thing.

You're probably one of the few people that do think the Batman costume sucks. Obviously, you know nothing about the film. Yeah, Batman's cave in "Batman Forever" was full of high tech equipment and some flashy Batmobiles. That's like so similiar to the desolate cave in "Batman Begins.
Awful mask for the Scarecrow?! Ha. This film is going for realism and all Scarecrow had for a costume was in fact a mask like the one in the comics. He also had straw in his costume, but it has no use in the film. We haven't seen the bat-signal in any of the trailers. Are you talking about the bat-symbol? It's alot better than the one in the previous films that basically said "shoot here". Yeah, so you account for all moviegoers? Suuuuuuuure.
And the Catwoman movie is not related to Batman Begins. Different universe altogether. Batman Begins has a stellar cast, an excellent director, and a great script. Catwoman has none of these. So don't compare these two films together. Also, the general public is not your mother. Public is a group of people, not just one person. Much of the general public doesn't really care about the previous Batman films. Many bat fans agree that none of the previous Batman films (save for Mask of the Phantasm) captured the true essence of Batman.

And for;V For Vendetta;I dont know much about this comic of movie,only thing I Know is a production of Wachowski Brothers(Matrix),but only Matrix name Screams;Bad Movie.

See ya.

It's pretty clear you're just badmouthing DC. It's being PRODUCED by the Wachowski brothers, not DIRECTED. There's a difference.

[roach]

One you have to realize that just because a movie isnt big with the fanboys doesnt make it a failure. While the Hulk may have tanked here they are talking about a sequel.
and one other thing I went to the movies and they showed the BB trailer and more than one person moaned Not another one? I think they should have done another movie first maybe Wonder Woman before going back to Bats

[Obsidian]

Originally Posted by roach

One you have to realize that just because a movie isnt big with the fanboys doesnt make it a failure. While the Hulk may have tanked here they are talking about a sequel.
and one other thing I went to the movies and they showed the BB trailer and more than one person moaned Not another one? I think they should have done another movie first maybe Wonder Woman before going back to Bats

Hulk didn't tank or flop, it got back it's entire budget, including the money spent on marketing.

And those people were moaning that another Batman film was coming, not about the quality of Batman Begins.

[CConn]

Originally Posted by roach

I think they should have done another movie first maybe Wonder Woman before going back to Bats

I disagree simply because Batman is DC's most profitable character, and BB is going to be just so good, I doubt many (or even any) of the other DC movies will be able to top it in quality. And, in the end, quality's really the most important thing, not a misinformed non-fan that thinks BB's just another bad Schumacher film.

[The Batman]

Originally Posted by Lord Blackbolt

I actually hope they stop making Marvel movies for a while. Cause I'm a bit tired of them. I want a freaking Green Lantern movie. If I get a great GL movie...I'll be fine.

I know. especially since they're just developing the lameass heroes. Cap and shellhead are pretty much the only A lister they havent done yet.


and High Voltage is just another Marvel moron who cant accept the fact that DC's is coming back and marvel's no longer the only toddler on the playground