All Star Superman, All Star Batman........what about an All Star JSA?

The Question · 06-26-2005, 08:55 PM

Think about it. Right now, the JSA book is about the surviveing JSAers and the new blood. Now, it's a good book, but I want to see more of the origional JSA. More than that, I want to see them in their prime, in the 1940s. Now, I know there was an All Star Squadron comic in the 80s, but there is still alot of potential stories set in the war years fo the JSA. Do you think an All Star JSA would be a good idea?

Shawkur · 06-26-2005, 09:05 PM

That and a Captain Marvel title are the only All-Star titles I would have any interest in.

John Constantine · 06-26-2005, 09:08 PM

I really wouldn't mind a All-Star JLA as well.

But honestly, the only reason why these All-star titles are around is probably to take advantage of the movies coming out and the hope that they might attract new readers.....

Unthinkable · 06-26-2005, 09:37 PM

Didn't they have a series called JSA All Stars already?

Shawkur · 06-26-2005, 09:48 PM

No relation.

The Batman · 06-26-2005, 09:57 PM

I'm sorry...but no.

The All Star comics are about iconic Dc characters. the JSA...aren't Iconic. And, if the All Star titles are tied together, it's best to have ONE version of the Flash, GL, etc.

The Question · 06-26-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batman

I'm sorry...but no.

The All Star comics are about iconic Dc characters. the JSA...aren't Iconic. And, if the All Star titles are tied together, it's best to have ONE version of the Flash, GL, etc.

The JSA was iconic back in the day. The Justice League is the most iconic superteam now, but the JSA was the Justice League of the 40s.

Darthphere · 06-26-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batman

I'm sorry...but no.

The All Star comics are about iconic Dc characters. the JSA...aren't Iconic. And, if the All Star titles are tied together, it's best to have ONE version of the Flash, GL, etc.

WTF are you talking about? The JSA not iconic. You have Alan Scott, Jay Garrick, Hawkman, Captain Marvel...how are they not iconic.

But the answer is still no, All-Star Batman and Superman shouldnt even exist.

The Question · 06-26-2005, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batman

I'm sorry...but no.

The All Star comics are about iconic Dc characters. the JSA...aren't Iconic. And, if the All Star titles are tied together, it's best to have ONE version of the Flash, GL, etc.

Plus, it doesn't have to be in the All Star imprint. I just though it was the best way to put it out cause it's a continuity free retelling, so they'd have more freedome.

The Batman · 06-26-2005, 10:08 PM

Does anyone outside of comics know who alan Scott and Jay Garrick are?

Then no, they're not iconic.

Darthphere · 06-26-2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batman

Does anyone outside of comics know who alan Scott and Jay Garrick are?

Then no, they're not iconic.

Thats what iconic means to you, if theyre popular? Then sir thats ****ing bull****. Blade is popular is he iconic? Underdog is popular is he iconic? Im sorry but the majority of people who would read an All Star JSA would be people who know who Alan and Jay are. Dont give me this new reader crap. The majority of sales would come from comic book fans.

rigel7soldiers · 06-26-2005, 10:27 PM

Jay and Alan aren't icons becayse they were never on TV. The Justice League is better known to many as the Super Friends, and Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, and Batman became cultural icons through their live-action television shows. The Phantom Zone criminals and Lex Luthor would likely be nonentities today were it not for the movies.

CConn · 06-26-2005, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Darthphere

Thats what iconic means to you, if theyre popular? Then sir thats ****ing bull****. Blade is popular is he iconic? Underdog is popular is he iconic? Im sorry but the majority of people who would read an All Star JSA would be people who know who Alan and Jay are. Dont give me this new reader crap. The majority of sales would come from comic book fans.

Then go yell at DC, it's their concept, The Batman's just stating it.

In any case, I wouldn't really be for it...mainly because I'd want a All-Star Captain Marvel first.

Bat-Mantis · 06-26-2005, 10:32 PM

People... Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are the most iconic characters, but they're not the ONLY ones.
The JSA were icons in their time and for DC many fans today, they're still icons.
I don't want them to have an All-Star book, though. And Didio said there are no plans in the next few years to do any kind of retelling of older stories or any of that.

The Batman · 06-26-2005, 10:33 PM

The point of the All Star line is to have Heroes that appeal to everyone besides DC Fans-- Meaning Marvel Fans and the General Public, who DC are hoping will be the main buyers.

Marvel Fans and the General Public dont care about Jay Garrick or Alan Scott. In fact, thats why most people stick to marvel. Because of the "Legacy" aspect. Hawkman and Captain Marvel can easily be added to an All Star JLA book.

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash, Captain Marvel, and the JLA are pretty much the best heroes for the All Star treatment. the JSA arent. Iconic, IMO, means being known by comic fans as well as the general public. The JSA arent. The JSA cant cater to anyone outside of DC/Comic Fans. The heroes i listed above can.

Darthphere · 06-26-2005, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CConn

Then go yell at DC, it's their concept, The Batman's just stating it.

.

DC never said the JSA werent iconic, TheBatman did.

Darthphere · 06-26-2005, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batman

The point of the All Star line is to have Heroes that appeal to everyone besides DC Fans-- Meaning Marvel Fans and the General Public, who DC are hoping will be the main buyers.

Marvel Fans and the General Public dont care about Jay Garrick or Alan Scott. In fact, thats why most people stick to marvel. Because of the "Legacy" aspect. Hawkman and Captain Marvel can easily be added to an All Star JLA book.

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash, Captain Marvel, and the JLA are pretty much the best heroes for the All Star treatment. the JSA arent. Iconic, IMO, means being known by comic fans as well as the general public. The JSA arent. The JSA cant cater to anyone outside of DC/Comic Fans. The heroes i listed above can.

Im not talking about people outside of comic books, im talking about fans, Now between fans would you say the JSA isnt iconic?

Bat-Mantis · 06-26-2005, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batman

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash, Captain Marvel, and the JLA are pretty much the best heroes for the All Star treatment.

Most people don't know who the **** Green Lantern, Captain Marvel and the Flash are.
It's all relative.

rigel7soldiers · 06-26-2005, 10:45 PM

The Flash and Captain Marvel are pretty well known. Again, CM had a wildly popular program in the Seventies, which is mainly why he, and the SHAZAM catchphrase, are so well remembered today.

Bat-Mantis · 06-26-2005, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rigel7soldiers

The Flash and Captain Marvel are pretty well known. Again, CM had a wildly popular program in the Seventies, which is mainly why he, and the SHAZAM catchphrase, are so well remembered today.

Nah, I'm always having to explain who the Flash is. I can wear a Flash shirt and they'll ask, I'll be like, "oh, it's the Flash" and then I'll have to explain the powers and the red suit and I usually end up getting an, "oookkaayyy" look.
And people remember Shazam but mostly because of Gomer Pyle. Ask an average person who either one of those guys are and they'll have no clue. They'll probably think it's a superhero... because it sounds like a superhero, but that'll probably be all they know.

rigel7soldiers · 06-26-2005, 10:57 PM

But I feel like if you wore a Flash costume, people would recognize it.

Shawkur · 06-26-2005, 11:31 PM

I think most people would be able to identify Garrick and Scott as versions of the Flash and GL, and probably as the originals.

TheCorpulent1 · 06-27-2005, 04:34 AM

I'd prefer a Golden Age JSA book to an All-Star JSA one. Simply because I think the All-Star concept is dumb from the get-go. It's DC's answer to the Ultimate line, plain and simple, meaning that DC's now sinking to Marvel's level and trying to peddle the same characters even more, since clearly 3 Superman titles, 4 Batman titles, and about 10 ancillary titles and mini-series between the two of them every month isn't enough.

drastic_quench · 06-27-2005, 12:11 PM

The All-Star line is trying to appeal to people that haven't read a comic in years, if ever, all while not dumbing it down for us.

For the non-comic readers the JSA is not iconic, they aren't even known. Hell, 3/4 of the JLA aren't icons either. Now everyone is debating what iconic means, if we're talking iconic to comics fans or popular icons. Keeping in mind what the All-Star line is trying to accomplish, I think a character is an icon if you're in some POS 3rd world country and a kid who's never seen a comic book in his life is wearing a character's t-shirt. Superman. Batman. You can try an' lump Wonder Woman in there as well, but those are really the big two. Well, duh. But I mean you can travel anywhere in the world and scrawl a bat oval or the S-shield in the dirt and the locals will know who you mean. They're universal. They're known concepts even when it's something as primal as writing in the dirt with a stick.

The Batman · 06-27-2005, 12:56 PM

Bingo.

06-26-2005, 08:55 PM	#1
The Question Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hub City Posts: 36,019	All Star Superman, All Star Batman........what about an All Star JSA? Think about it. Right now, the JSA book is about the surviveing JSAers and the new blood. Now, it's a good book, but I want to see more of the origional JSA. More than that, I want to see them in their prime, in the 1940s. Now, I know there was an All Star Squadron comic in the 80s, but there is still alot of potential stories set in the war years fo the JSA. Do you think an All Star JSA would be a good idea?

06-26-2005, 09:05 PM	#2
Shawkur Side-Kick Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 855	Re: All Star Superman, All Star Batman........what about an All Star JSA? That and a Captain Marvel title are the only All-Star titles I would have any interest in.

06-26-2005, 09:08 PM	#3
John Constantine Side-Kick Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Everywhere Posts: 6,876	Re: All Star Superman, All Star Batman........what about an All Star JSA? I really wouldn't mind a All-Star JLA as well. But honestly, the only reason why these All-star titles are around is probably to take advantage of the movies coming out and the hope that they might attract new readers..... __________________ "You think I'm putting on an act, eh? Man of mystery pretending to be Joe Average, right? I don't suppose it occured to you it might be the other way 'round?" -Hellblazer #50

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Unthinkable Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,913	Re: All Star Superman, All Star Batman........what about an All Star JSA? Didn't they have a series called JSA All Stars already?

06-26-2005, 09:48 PM	#5
Shawkur Side-Kick Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 855	Re: All Star Superman, All Star Batman........what about an All Star JSA? No relation.

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rigel7soldiers Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trying to Find a Balance Posts: 4,754	Re: All Star Superman, All Star Batman........what about an All Star JSA? Jay and Alan aren't icons becayse they were never on TV. The Justice League is better known to many as the Super Friends, and Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, and Batman became cultural icons through their live-action television shows. The Phantom Zone criminals and Lex Luthor would likely be nonentities today were it not for the movies. __________________ MODOK Says: "Release the somna-gas."

06-26-2005, 10:32 PM	#14
Bat-Mantis Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The United States of WHATEVAH Posts: 3,964	Re: All Star Superman, All Star Batman........what about an All Star JSA? People... Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are the most iconic characters, but they're not the ONLY ones. The JSA were icons in their time and for DC many fans today, they're still icons. I don't want them to have an All-Star book, though. And Didio said there are no plans in the next few years to do any kind of retelling of older stories or any of that.

06-26-2005, 10:45 PM	#19
rigel7soldiers Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trying to Find a Balance Posts: 4,754	Re: All Star Superman, All Star Batman........what about an All Star JSA? The Flash and Captain Marvel are pretty well known. Again, CM had a wildly popular program in the Seventies, which is mainly why he, and the SHAZAM catchphrase, are so well remembered today. __________________ MODOK Says: "Release the somna-gas."

06-26-2005, 10:57 PM	#21
rigel7soldiers Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trying to Find a Balance Posts: 4,754	Re: All Star Superman, All Star Batman........what about an All Star JSA? But I feel like if you wore a Flash costume, people would recognize it. __________________ MODOK Says: "Release the somna-gas."

06-26-2005, 11:31 PM	#22
Shawkur Side-Kick Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 855	Re: All Star Superman, All Star Batman........what about an All Star JSA? I think most people would be able to identify Garrick and Scott as versions of the Flash and GL, and probably as the originals.

06-27-2005, 04:34 AM	#23
TheCorpulent1 Gods of Movies SHH! Global Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 153,724	Re: All Star Superman, All Star Batman........what about an All Star JSA? I'd prefer a Golden Age JSA book to an All-Star JSA one. Simply because I think the All-Star concept is dumb from the get-go. It's DC's answer to the Ultimate line, plain and simple, meaning that DC's now sinking to Marvel's level and trying to peddle the same characters even more, since clearly 3 Superman titles, 4 Batman titles, and about 10 ancillary titles and mini-series between the two of them every month isn't enough. __________________ "She doesn't love me! Now I just need to get her to admit it and I win. Somehow that means I win!" - Mark, Peep Show

06-27-2005, 12:11 PM	#24
drastic_quench Side-Kick Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,271	Re: All Star Superman, All Star Batman........what about an All Star JSA? The All-Star line is trying to appeal to people that haven't read a comic in years, if ever, all while not dumbing it down for us. For the non-comic readers the JSA is not iconic, they aren't even known. Hell, 3/4 of the JLA aren't icons either. Now everyone is debating what iconic means, if we're talking iconic to comics fans or popular icons. Keeping in mind what the All-Star line is trying to accomplish, I think a character is an icon if you're in some POS 3rd world country and a kid who's never seen a comic book in his life is wearing a character's t-shirt. Superman. Batman. You can try an' lump Wonder Woman in there as well, but those are really the big two. Well, duh. But I mean you can travel anywhere in the world and scrawl a bat oval or the S-shield in the dirt and the locals will know who you mean. They're universal. They're known concepts even when it's something as primal as writing in the dirt with a stick.

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