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View Poll Results: Human Torch Vs Ice Man
Johnny Storm 61 57.55%
Bobby Drake 37 34.91%
Draw 8 7.55%
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:21 AM   #76
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Yeah, but Iceman apparently now has the power to travel instantaneously through moisture, like he did in the AOA, so depending what sort of environment they're fighting in that can basically mean teleportation.

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Old 07-20-2005, 12:26 AM   #77
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Lucy you are right they did, of course, they also gave Doom superpowers and put him in the "Space Station" as well, so anything in the movie is basically nonapplicable here.
But yes it was in the film.


Come on here people, this is not a popularity contest, it's a fight, quit judgin by who you like the most and face the facts!
oh didn;t know that bobby wins then already voted for johnny though

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Old 07-20-2005, 01:08 PM   #78
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Yeah, but Iceman apparently now has the power to travel instantaneously through moisture, like he did in the AOA, so depending what sort of environment they're fighting in that can basically mean teleportation.
It's a thought how they are using particle theory here.
Iceman w/o Morals to the death = Wins.
Iceman w/morals and all known feats at his command = wins.

Iceman as written off-hand by torchfans = loses.

Johnny Storm is overrated.

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Old 08-05-2005, 08:56 PM   #79
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they would cancel eachother out

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Old 08-05-2005, 09:04 PM   #80
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Underestimating Bobby,

while Johnny can go nova (*ooohhh nova!*), this does take him a second to do so.
Bobby can control any liquid and cause it to freeze, like say... the capillaries in johnny's brain? kinda hard to go nova when you are suffering a major brain anuerism.
Or Bobby could flash freeze Johnny into a block of ice. Storm can't light up if there is no oxygen for him to combust with.
Or flash freeze Torch's lungs, they shatter the next time he contracts his diaphragm to breethe, *snap crackle pop*
Johnny is hyped and touted all the time, but Bobby is hardly ever used to the full extent of his powers...
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Old 08-06-2005, 12:57 AM   #81
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Old 08-06-2005, 04:34 AM   #82
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Old 08-06-2005, 05:47 AM   #83
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Hmm I'm going to go agant the grain here and say Torch. He jus needs to get a good bit of space between him and Ice man let rip with the nova blast.

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Old 08-16-2005, 09:21 AM   #84
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For anyone who actually read the comic does "without the use of his usual ice slide" mean he can fly? And did you get to see him fly? Thanks

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Old 08-16-2005, 09:42 AM   #85
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In the marvel encyclopedia on the iceman page it says "After years as a percieved lightweight, Iceman began experimenting with his abilities, adding mass to his slight frame and lifting himself high into the air without the aid of his customary ice slides"? So to the people who read comic where he did that was he flying and did you get to see him fly if so? Thanks

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Old 08-16-2005, 10:23 AM   #86
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Old 08-16-2005, 10:56 AM   #87
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they would cancel eachother out

fire = ice

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Old 08-16-2005, 11:01 AM   #88
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In the marvel encyclopedia on the iceman page it says "After years as a percieved lightweight, Iceman began experimenting with his abilities, adding mass to his slight frame and lifting himself high into the air without the aid of his customary ice slides"? So to the people who read comic where he did that was he flying and did you get to see him fly if so? Thanks
He does not fly. What they mean is that rather than using an ice slide he actually just adds to and expands his body.

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Like makes himself bigger?

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like he did in Age of Apocalypse

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I didn't get to read AoA.

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Like makes himself bigger?
Yes. More or less

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Old 08-16-2005, 04:26 PM   #94
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I am not saying that Johnny is not powerful. He just would not beat Bobby.
I am being serious when I say I would love to see a scenario where Johnny actually beats Bobby realistically.

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Old 08-16-2005, 04:49 PM   #96
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oh and is there an AoA tpb? I would love to get my hands on it, never read any of that stuff...

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Old 08-16-2005, 04:52 PM   #97
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Johnny's reach is much further than Bobby's. That's where Bobby loses it.

Also everyone also talks about how Bobby can control the moisture in the air or someones body. So what? Johnny can control the temperature of air and moisture and someone's body. He could just as easily change the temperature around the water molecules that Bobby manipulates.

Basically what I'm saying is that all these arguments about the battle being waged on the micro level are useless. They both pretty much counter any sort of cheap shot that the other could give. The contest would be in the fighting.


And that's where I see Johnny winning from a distance.



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Old 08-16-2005, 04:55 PM   #98
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well franky, i gotta ask, how do you get that johnny has a longer range than bobby?

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Well... Johnny can fly and his Nova Flame range is much farther than anything I've seen Bobby do. I"m not saying I've seen Bobby do everything, but I've seen alot. Even since his Omega Mutant status and such.

Johnny is more maneuvarable <sp?>. Everything I've seen in 40 years of XMen and FF tells me that.



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well you gotta remember that nova flame is not exactly something he throws around on a regular basis.
but I wonder if you are right. Does Johnny have a longer range?
Someone with more comics than me will have to answer this one. My collection of anything outside DeadPOol is rather limited...

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