Fire vs Ice...Human Torch vs Ice Man??? Please...

[Bishop.]

Bobby all the way!

[Torchd]

bump

[Jplaya2023]

tie

[Franklin Richards]

So if Johnny removes all the moisture in the air, how will Iceman use his powers?


Or has Iceman been upgraded..... again.

[Silicon Surfer]

When Doom stole the Surfers powers he lost a headon fight with the Torch and had to flee for his life. In that same storyline Johnny is preparing to kill
Doom with a "supernova flameout" if I remember correctly that is. They said that it would destroy half of the northern hemisphere. By about 5000 degrees Fahrenheit water is shattered into hydrogen and oxygen and burns very hot. Thus at well below Johnnys max any ice he hit with his flame would not only be forever destroyed it would burn and generate more heat. A high intensity blast of nova flame directed at the ocean should shatter much of it into fuel to destroy even more of it. Where that would end would depend on how much heat Johnny could generate. Torch can also raise his internal temperture without flaming on and should be able to reflexively counter any tampering by Bobby. Johnny exceeded Nova in sheer intensity of flame but Nova could maintain her flame far longer and was vastly more durable not to mention stronger. Johnny could hit 2 million degrees while Nova could hit 850,000 according to the Handbooks. The Handboods however listed Johnny mistakenly as having a max of 1,000,000 degrees.

[Tropico]

Almost 2 years dead and who revives this thread? You got it...JPLAYA!

[Silicon Surfer]

Originally Posted by Tropico

Almost 2 years dead and who revives this thread? You got it...JPLAYA!

We've got to have something to argue about and this is as good as anything

[LouFerignoDemon]

Originally Posted by XFanTim

"100's below kelvan"? I'm not sure what you mean. You can't have temperatures below zero on the kelvin scale . . . if you just means he lowers the temperature by hundreds of kelvin, that's the same as saying he lowers it by hundreds of degrees celsius -- 1 kelvin equals 1 degree celsius, the only difference between the two scales is where the zero point is.

EDIT: Actually, 1 K is 0 degrees Celcius.

Although, if you go below 0 K, you reach something below Absolute Zero, which is impossible, because you'd have to be reducing energy from where there IS no energy.

[Tropico]

Originally Posted by Silicon Surfer

We've got to have something to argue about and this is as good as anything

Really?! You HAVE to have something to argue about? Whatever, man. To each his own. You should hop by the Anime forum and the Hulk Comics forum so you can get your dose and leave the Marvel for more constructive stuff.

[Jplaya2023]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

So if Johnny removes all the moisture in the air, how will Iceman use his powers?


Or has Iceman been upgraded..... again.

Iceman would just freeze the moisture in jonny's lungs making it a double TKO

[Varient]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

So if Johnny removes all the moisture in the air, how will Iceman use his powers?


Or has Iceman been upgraded..... again.

"remove" moisture?

[The_Vision]

I think Johnny would win

[LouFerignoDemon]

Originally Posted by Varient

"remove" moisture?

Technically, Johnny should burn hot enough to literally burn moisture out of the air by separating it back into hydrogen and oxygen.

[Varient]

Originally Posted by Mistress Gluon

Technically, Johnny should burn hot enough to literally burn moisture out of the air by separating it back into hydrogen and oxygen.

okay.

of course if Bobby were limited to airborne moisture,... this could be a problem,...

[Jplaya2023]

Now that my brain is cookin, i remembered how bobby has fought someone with similiar "fire" power to jonny when he fights and owns pyro (Who can also create supernova's with his power) . So since he got that "xperience" fighting something like that, he should be able to beat the torch

[LouFerignoDemon]

I wouldn't even deem to place Pyro's raw firepower (forgive the unintentional pun) in the same league as Johnny. Pyro needs pre-existant flame to use his power, where Johnny generates his own, and in far higher degrees. And while Pyro can alter, resize, and all that jazz with heat and such, his flames, his flames are purely external. THAT can be shut down since not only does Pyro pretty much have to see his work to do it, but Bobby can just freeze him from behind, break his concentration, flood the area with moisture again, and crush him that way.

[XwolverineX]

Human Torch is sexy... I vote him.

[unstoppable]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

I would normally say Draw, but now that Iceman is made of solid Ice, he'll just become a puddle.

i think that they would cancel each other out

[Varient]

Originally Posted by Mistress Gluon

I wouldn't even deem to place Pyro's raw firepower (forgive the unintentional pun) in the same league as Johnny. Pyro needs pre-existant flame to use his power, where Johnny generates his own, and in far higher degrees. And while Pyro can alter, resize, and all that jazz with heat and such, his flames, his flames are purely external. THAT can be shut down since not only does Pyro pretty much have to see his work to do it, but Bobby can just freeze him from behind, break his concentration, flood the area with moisture again, and crush him that way.

Pyro in the Marvel Universe couldn't compare to the torch.

The one in the Xman movie has done better and was given better than the comic.

I'm surpised that it even came up.

[Varient]

Originally Posted by Mistress Gluon

I wouldn't even deem to place Pyro's raw firepower (forgive the unintentional pun) in the same league as Johnny. Pyro needs pre-existant flame to use his power, where Johnny generates his own, and in far higher degrees. And while Pyro can alter, resize, and all that jazz with heat and such, his flames, his flames are purely external. THAT can be shut down since not only does Pyro pretty much have to see his work to do it, but Bobby can just freeze him from behind, break his concentration, flood the area with moisture again, and crush him that way.

Pyro in the Marvel Universe couldn't compare to the torch.

The one in the Xman movie has done better and was given better than the comic.

I'm surpised that it even came up.

[unstoppable]

Originally Posted by Varient

okay.

of course if Bobby were limited to airborne moisture,... this could be a problem,...

and the torch is limited by oxygen

[LouFerignoDemon]

Originally Posted by unstoppable

and the torch is limited by oxygen

What would be the point there? If Johnny split up all moisture into hydrogen and oxygen, then he actually INCREASES his fuel source. Not to mention hydrogen and oxygen are extremely combustible.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Originally Posted by Varient

Pyro in the Marvel Universe couldn't compare to the torch.

The one in the Xman movie has done better and was given better than the comic.

I'm surpised that it even came up.

More than agreed. Leave it to JPlaya to bring such a mismatch up.

Pyro is pretty much a match in comparison to the napalm bomb that's the Human Torch.

[U.S War Machine]

This match has been discussed so many times...

It's a tie

[Aptman]

Originally Posted by U.S War Machine

This match has been discussed so many times...

It's a tie

Well, I think its still discussed, because it really isn't a tie depending on how you look at it.

If you're comparing powers, Iceman has that it the bag a few thousand times over...he is more than just flesh and body...Johnny has no chance of actually ever killing Iceman while he is in Ice form...vaporize him if you want, its not enough...he can reform.
But...the way writers treat the characters, I would say Johnny has the upper hand because he experiments with his abilities, where as Iceman uses what comes easiest to him mostly IMO.
I really doubt we'll ever get a comic where they fight all out without some handycap on one of them(like being mind controlled, or one of them wants to hurt the other one, but the other one doesn't want to hurt him).