Opinions you have that OPPOSE your political affiliation

[Kritish]

Originally Posted by Spider-Bite

I'm a far left liberal, but I believe that it should be illegal to get an abortion once it becomes a fetus. Liberals are supposed to be anti-death penalty, anti-killing, anti-war, and anti-anything inumane.

It's also inhumane to force a raped woman to carry a fetus to full term.
Scratch that, it's inhumane to force any woman to carry a fetus to full term.

I don't like pary loyality, but I learn to the left, except for I think affirmitive action is racist.

[hippie_hunter]

I tend to disagree with the Republicans on many things, especially concerning abortion, gay rights, etc.

[Spider-Bite]

Originally Posted by Kritish

It's also inhumane to force a raped woman to carry a fetus to full term.
Scratch that, it's inhumane to force any woman to carry a fetus to full term.

I don't like pary loyality, but I learn to the left, except for I think affirmitive action is racist.

Carrying out your normal biological process is not as bad as dying. It might be uncomfortable, and even unpleasant or painful occasionally, but I don't think we should be allowed to kill a person for somebody else's conveinence.

Things like abortion and the death penalty desensitize society over time. It's the slippery slope. You have to think ahead about how society will develop over the next 100 years. Exposure brings tolerance, indifference, and people become used to it. It doesn't matter if it's gay marriage or abortion, people become used to it, and don't give it a second thought.

In the instance of abortion and the death penalty, society can gradually become desensitized to the idea of killing people. That can make it much easier to support a war, or take other steps in that direction. What's next? Killing 2 year olds? Or killing whatever member of society we deem inconveinent? We already execute criminals, and it's moving from murderers to child molestors. What next? Prositutes and drug dealers? Once that happens, then what's next after that? Adulterers and women beaters? Then what? Fat people? Lazy people? Irritating people or people deemed "bad influence"

It might sound crazy but it can happen. Who'd have thought 6 years ago that our government would legalize torture? We never would have guessed. You'd have been called crazy for believing it. but here we are.

Societys can drastically change in the blink of a century, and it'd be wise to think like a sociologist when making political decisions, especially for liberals, because our beliefs are more about the future.

[Dwarf lord]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

I tend to disagree with the Republicans on many things, especially concerning abortion, gay rights, etc.

Yeah that's me. I'm very republican, but on the social side, I'm more liberal. Though abortion kind of gives me an uneasy feeling. If it were up to me, there would be no abortion, except for a few variables, but it's not.

[Kritish]

Originally Posted by Spider-Bite

Carrying out your normal biological process is not as bad as dying. It might be uncomfortable, and even unpleasant or painful occasionally, but I don't think we should be allowed to kill a person for somebody else's conveinence.

Things like abortion and the death penalty desensitize society over time. It's the slippery slope. You have to think ahead about how society will develop over the next 100 years. Exposure brings tolerance, indifference, and people become used to it. It doesn't matter if it's gay marriage or abortion, people become used to it, and don't give it a second thought.

In the instance of abortion and the death penalty, society can gradually become desensitized to the idea of killing people. That can make it much easier to support a war, or take other steps in that direction. What's next? Killing 2 year olds? Or killing whatever member of society we deem inconveinent? We already execute criminals, and it's moving from murderers to child molestors. What next? Prositutes and drug dealers? Once that happens, then what's next after that? Adulterers and women beaters? Then what? Fat people? Lazy people? Irritating people or people deemed "bad influence"

It might sound crazy but it can happen. Who'd have thought 6 years ago that our government would legalize torture? We never would have guessed. You'd have been called crazy for believing it. but here we are.

Societys can drastically change in the blink of a century, and it'd be wise to think like a sociologist when making political decisions, especially for liberals, because our beliefs are more about the future.

I'm pretty sure that the world is already desesitized by violence.
I don't believe just because something has Human DNA makes it human, does it have higher thought? I believe self awareness is what makes us human.

Are you saying that if you were a woman, and you were raped you'd grow thought the term?

[Spider-Bite]

Originally Posted by Kritish

I'm pretty sure that the world is already desesitized by violence.
I don't believe just because something has Human DNA makes it human, does it have higher thought? I believe self awareness is what makes us human.

Are you saying that if you were a woman, and you were raped you'd grow thought the term?

No I would abort it before it becomes a fetus. I always thoguht it was 3 months, but the other day i read it was 2. An embryo is just a group of cells in an embryonic state of existence, which means it has the ability to regrow missing body parts, on in this case, a missing body. It's not a human.

But a fetus is different. A fetus is not just a clump of cells, it's a tiny person with arms and legs, and even brain devleopment. I'm completely pro choice while it's an embryo. I don't even consider aborting an embryo to be immoral. I'm 100% for embryonic stem cell research, even when it kills the embryo.

But I'm completely oppossed to aborting a fetus.

the world is desenstized, which is a small part of the reason we have the death penalty and abortion both legal. My point is that the goal should be to change that fact.

[Kritish]

Originally Posted by Spider-Bite

No I would abort it before it becomes a fetus. I always thoguht it was 3 months, but the other day i read it was 2. An embryo is just a group of cells in an embryonic state of existence, which means it has the ability to regrow missing body parts, on in this case, a missing body. It's not a human.

But a fetus is different. A fetus is not just a clump of cells, it's a tiny person with arms and legs, and even brain devleopment. I'm completely pro choice while it's an embryo. I don't even consider aborting an embryo to be immoral. I'm 100% for embryonic stem cell research, even when it kills the embryo.

But I'm completely oppossed to aborting a fetus.

Except by the time you figure out if there is something wrong with it it's already a fetus.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Dwarf lord

Yeah that's me. I'm very republican, but on the social side, I'm more liberal. Though abortion kind of gives me an uneasy feeling. If it were up to me, there would be no abortion, except for a few variables, but it's not.

I take no side on the abortion debate. Both sides sicken me and if one side had their way, it would just lead to a Pandora's Box of trouble.

[Kritish]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

I take no side on the abortion debate. Both sides sicken me and if one side had their way, it would just lead to a Pandora's Box of trouble.

Because everyone knows that the moment we can abort a fetus soccor moms will go and abort grown children.

[Addendum]

Originally Posted by Spider-Bite

Carrying out your normal biological process is not as bad as dying. It might be uncomfortable, and even unpleasant or painful occasionally, but I don't think we should be allowed to kill a person for somebody else's conveinence.

Things like abortion and the death penalty desensitize society over time. It's the slippery slope. You have to think ahead about how society will develop over the next 100 years. Exposure brings tolerance, indifference, and people become used to it. It doesn't matter if it's gay marriage or abortion, people become used to it, and don't give it a second thought.

In the instance of abortion and the death penalty, society can gradually become desensitized to the idea of killing people. That can make it much easier to support a war, or take other steps in that direction. What's next? Killing 2 year olds? Or killing whatever member of society we deem inconveinent? We already execute criminals, and it's moving from murderers to child molestors. What next? Prositutes and drug dealers? Once that happens, then what's next after that? Adulterers and women beaters? Then what? Fat people? Lazy people? Irritating people or people deemed "bad influence"

It might sound crazy but it can happen. Who'd have thought 6 years ago that our government would legalize torture? We never would have guessed. You'd have been called crazy for believing it. but here we are.

Societys can drastically change in the blink of a century, and it'd be wise to think like a sociologist when making political decisions, especially for liberals, because our beliefs are more about the future.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Kritish

Because everyone knows that the moment we can abort a fetus soccor moms will go and abort grown children.

The Pro-Life sickens me because they are a bunch of evangellical *******s and some have even resorted to violence to acheive their means.

The Pro-Choice sickens me because they no longer represent "Pro-Choice." They represent the idea of Pro-Self ignoring the fact that with sex comes consequences. Also they ignore the fact that Roe v. Wade created the most liberal abortion laws in the world. When you have such a thing, the only legislation that deals with abortion, is really legislation that restricts it.

If abortion is completely banned, women who want one badly will just resort to other means to do it. Ways that are most likely very dangerous and unsanitary.

If we have completely unrestricted abortion, then we'll probally see an increase in abortion clinic violence. Also, it's exactly like Spider-Bite said:

Originally Posted by Spider-Bite

But a fetus is different. A fetus is not just a clump of cells, it's a tiny person with arms and legs, and even brain devleopment.

There needs to be balance.

Also I think it's kind of an a**hole thing to say when life truely begins. At birth, at conception, whatever. Now, I don't beleive in religion or any of that stuff, but who are we, as human beings, to say when life begins.

[StorminNorman]

I am Libertarian - and I think my beliefs go towards that - outside of Pro-Life

If I had to register myself as a Republican-Democrat - I would be a Republican

My opposing beliefs:
Gay Rights
Stricter Environmental Regulations (though not enough to hurt business)
Infringing on rights of American citizens without Court Order (I support the originally written Patriot Act)

[Kritish]

So we should limit the rights a woman has because the nut jobs would get mad and try to blow it up?

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Kritish

So we should limit the rights a woman has because the nut jobs would get mad and try to blow it up?

This isn't about limiting the rights of women. This is a debate about responsibility, morality, and life.

A fetus isn't simply just a clump of cells that can just be destroyed. It actually performs functions that living organisms do.

Now, I agree with you that a woman carrying a baby due to rape has the full right to an abortion. I do not beleive that a woman should be FORCED into carrying a child full term. I beleive in aborting an embryo. I think that aborting a fetus that has defects is the right thing to do. And I think that aborting a fetus at the very early stage is acceptable.

But unlimited abortion at anytime is just plain wrong. I beleive that a girl is under 18 and is getting an abortion, the parents must be notified. I beleive in restricting it at a certain point. Also, it takes TWO people to make a baby, while I don't think that the father should get the decision on the issue (it ultimately lies upon the woman), I think that he deserves to have at the very least, some say in it.

If a woman wants an abortion, she should do it at the early stages, not wait freaking 4 or 5 or 6 months to do it.

[Kritish]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

This isn't about limiting the rights of women. This is a debate about responsibility, morality, and life.

A fetus isn't simply just a clump of cells that can just be destroyed. It actually performs functions that living organisms do.

Now, I agree with you that a woman carrying a baby due to rape has the full right to an abortion. I do not beleive that a woman should be FORCED into carrying a child full term. I beleive in aborting an embryo. I think that aborting a fetus that has defects is the right thing to do. And I think that aborting a fetus at the very early stage is acceptable.

But unlimited abortion at anytime is just plain wrong. I beleive that a girl is under 18 and is getting an abortion, the parents must be notified. I beleive in restricting it at a certain point. Also, it takes TWO people to make a baby, while I don't think that the father should get the decision on the issue (it ultimately lies upon the woman), I think that he deserves to have at the very least, some say in it.

If a woman wants an abortion, she should do it at the early stages, not wait freaking 4 or 5 or 6 months to do it.

Like I said, you often don't know if there's something wrong with the "fetus" until it is five to six months into the term.

What gives the parents the right to choose for the to be parent? Are they going to carry the fetus?

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Kritish

Like I said, you often don't know if there's something wrong with the "fetus" until it is five to six months into the term.

As I said, if there is a defect in the fetus, the best thing to do is probally abort it. Defects often cause a life of misery to both the child and parents.

What gives the parents the right to choose for the to be parent? Are they going to carry the fetus?

I'm saying that the parents should be notified over their child having an abortion because people under 18 should not be getting knocked up, haven't fully developed a sense of responsibility, and the fact that the parents are still legally responsible for the child. Parents are often notified over other medical procedures and various other activities, why shouldn't they have the right to know that their child is getting a freaking abortion.

[Sun_Down]

I'm a Democrat, but I'm on the fence on gun control.

[Kritish]

The parents don't have the right to tell kids that they have to carry a fetus to term.

Parents don't get to make a type of decision that will affect their children for the rest of their lives.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Kritish

The parents don't have the right to tell kids that they have to carry a fetus to term.

Parents don't get to make a type of decision that will affect their children for the rest of their lives.

I don't think that parents should have the final decision. Again, the final decision is up to the woman carrying the child, but as I said, they should be notified for the reasons I've already mentioned.

[Spider-Bite]

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hippie_hunter;

Also I think it's kind of an a**hole thing to say when life truely begins. At birth, at conception, whatever. Now, I don't beleive in religion or any of that stuff, but who are we, as human beings, to say when life begins.

We are nobody to believe that, which is why I oppose it at such an early age. I don't know when it can be called a human, but I choose to oppose it at an early enough stage in development so that I know I'm not supporting murder. Better to be safe than sorry, or feel guilty.

I don't believe any of us have the right to say when another person should live or die. It shouldn't be a decision that we get to make, which is why I feel the way I feel about abortion and the death penalty. I don't have the right to decide, and I don't believe a pregnant women should have the right to decide either whether the fetus lives or dies. yeah it's inside of her, and not me, and it depens on her, and not me. but at the same time there is a five year old child depending, on his mother and not me. Living in her home and not mine.

I simply believe it's wrong to kill outside of self defense, granting the wishes of the termanilly ill, self preservation, or for food. I don't even squash bugs when I find them in my house, I let them go, even though I don't expect people to go to that same standard, becuase there have been times with mesquitoes that I was too lazy to deal with them. I'm a semi Buddhist/Atheist you could say.

[Spider-Bite]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

As I said, if there is a defect in the fetus, the best thing to do is probally abort it. Defects often cause a life of misery to both the child and parents.


I'm saying that the parents should be notified over their child having an abortion because people under 18 should not be getting knocked up, haven't fully developed a sense of responsibility, and the fact that the parents are still legally responsible for the child. Parents are often notified over other medical procedures and various other activities, why shouldn't they have the right to know that their child is getting a freaking abortion.

I don't think the government should force a teenager to tell their parents they had sex. That's going too far into the personal lives of people. Parents can't stop the natural biological process of sex, even though it's important that the children think their parents are trying.

You also have to take sexual abuse into consideration. A young girl that is sexually abused is several times more likely to become pregnant as a teenager, and not by their abuser. Forcing them to go their parents could be potentially devestating for life, especially if their parent is their abuser.

[PhePhe112]

Originally Posted by blind_fury

I'm a democrat but I think abortion is wrong. Do you have opinions that conflict with your political affiliation or are you just a brain-washed puppet?

agreed.
but i also think it SHOULD be someone's choice to do whatever they want. but i think it's wrong

[Kritish]

Originally Posted by PhePhe112

agreed.
but i also think it SHOULD be someone's choice to do whatever they want. but i think it's wrong

Jesus Christ people, a fetus is human in DNA only. There's much more to humans than DNA. A fetus doesn't have higher brain thought whilst a newborn infant does.

People get a generalized idea of abortion and think "They're killing babies".
It's the same way with stem cells.

[Kritish]

Originally Posted by PhePhe112

agreed.
but i also think it SHOULD be someone's choice to do whatever they want. but i think it's wrong

Jesus Christ people, a fetus is human in DNA only. There's much more to humans than DNA. A fetus doesn't have higher brain thought whilst a newborn infant does.

People get a generalized idea of abortion and think "They're killing babies".
It's the same way with stem cells.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Kritish

Jesus Christ people, a fetus is human in DNA only. There's much more to humans than DNA. A fetus doesn't have higher brain thought whilst a newborn infant does.

People get a generalized idea of abortion and think "They're killing babies".
It's the same way with stem cells.

A fetus actually has brain activity and starts to develop bodily functions. It is not just a mere human in DNA only. It is a separate living organism inside and dependent on another's body.

Stem cells are different. If an embryo or fetus is going to get aborted anyways, at least put it to good use. Better than just simply throwing it out.