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Old 04-29-2014, 08:43 PM   #401
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Superman costume designer Colleen Atwood with Jon Schnepp.




Jon Schnepp's top "5" recommended Superman comic book stories of all time:
The Man of Steel by John Byrne (plus: the Superman run by John Byrne).
Kingdom Come by Mark Waid and Alex Ross.
Superman Annual #11 (1985) "For the Man Who Has Everything" by Alan Moore.
Superman #423 (1986) and Action Comics #583 (1986) "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" by Alan Moore.
All-Star Superman by Grant Morrison.
Bonus: The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller. Jon Schnepp explained, "I know that's a Batman story, but to me that was one of the coolest and weirdest of Superman. To a certain degree you can see why Superman did what he did. Your sort of on his side but your sort of against him at the same time, just like Batman."
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Ironically, a lot of people said Burton's idea for an alienated, angsty (and probably subwhat Goth-y) loner Superman wouldn't work. What do we have now in the New 52? Exactly.
In An Evening with Kevin Smith (2002) Smith mocked Burton's requested Wesley Strick rewrite as, "Presumably a version of Superman with scissors for hands."

In the documentary Look Up in the Sky! The Amazing Story of Superman (2006) Superman Returns (2006) screen writer Michael Dougherty said, "They weren't sticking true to what Superman really was. You don't give Superman a black latex suit with an S shield that comes off and forms daggers and things like that. That's just not who Superman is. We felt like (Richard) Donner did something really right in the first one. We were trying to put the Superman franchise back on track, bringing it back (to Donner's version.)"

It's been assumed by a lot of people that Burton's Superman would have been very dark, bleak, Gothic, angsty, long haired, only wearing a black latex suit, and never flying. But that wasn't really Burton's vision. The documentary The Death of "Superman Lives": What Happened? will clear up misunderstandings for a lot of people.
Even script writer Dan Gilroy noted in the book Superman vs. Hollywood (2008)...



Steve Johnson explained about the Kryptonian recovery K suit he designed and commented about the bashing the suit received from people that don't realize that it's only a Kryptonian recovery suit that Superman would wear temporarily in the process of regeneration and not Superman's standard suit. "I've had it with these things online saying 'This suit is probably why the movie didn't get made' and blah blah blah. What people don't understand is pretty straight forward. It was never meant to be the actual Superman suit. Superman dies, in Tim Burton's version. He's wrapped around by this alien presence which I would assume someone in the comics came up with (the Kryptonian Eradicator was created by Roger Stern in Action Comics Annual #2 (1989) "Memories of Krypton's Past." Superman was revived from death thanks to the Eradicator restoring his solar energy and reviving his body in a regeneration matrix in the Fortress of Solitude in Action Comics #690 (1993) "Lies & Revelations" by Roger Stern during the Reign of the Supermen (1993) arc that followed the Doomsday/Death of Superman (1992) arc and the Funeral for a Friend (1993) arc of the storyline that the movie was based on). It brings him back to life. So everybody looked at the suit and said 'Jesus, Tim Burton's lost his mind!' 'Steve's doing too much blow!' That wasn't what happened! It was never meant to be the Superman suit. It was an alien artifact wrapped around him. Let's put that on the record for once. Colleen Atwood designed the Superman suits. We had the real one, we also had the black and silver one (Superman did wear a black and silver recovery suit in the comics temporarily and used weapons after he returned and was powerless during the Reign of the Supermen arc from Superman: Man of Steel #25 (1993) "The Return!" by Louise Simonson, Superman #81 (1993) "Resurrections" by Dan Jurgens, Adventures of Superman #504 (1993) "Assault on Engine City!" by Karl Kesel, Action Comics #691 (1993) "Secret Weapon" by Roger Stern, Superman: Man of Steel #26 (1993) "Blast Off!" by Louise Simonson to Superman #82 (1993) "Back for Good!" by Dan Jurgens when Superman's powers returned). But the one people have seen wasn't meant to be the Superman suit, it was an alien artifact that was regenerating him and it was really that simple."

Designer Bradford Richardson said, "I suggested the exoskeleton for Superman's regeneration. The amazingly talented illustrator Jacques Rey worked up a drawing, it looked great and emphasized the metallic battle logo."


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Old 05-08-2014, 07:19 AM   #402
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A real shame this never got made. Would have been better than Singer's and Snyder's versions, probably.

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Old 05-08-2014, 08:12 AM   #403
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Would have probably been an entertaining Superman 90s movie, which i wish we had seen more of. It's also a shame DC animated isn't adapting some of these screenplays, this way we would have gotten a continuation for the Superman and Batman film verses, and possibly even a crossover down the line.

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Old 05-08-2014, 11:42 AM   #404
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i'm glad this and especially Flyby never saw the light of day.

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Old 05-10-2014, 01:41 PM   #405
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Would have probably been an entertaining Superman 90s movie, which i wish we had seen more of. It's also a shame DC animated isn't adapting some of these screenplays, this way we would have gotten a continuation for the Superman and Batman film verses, and possibly even a crossover down the line.
I was told they can't make these movies cause then they'd have to pay guys like Abrams.

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Old 05-16-2014, 02:20 PM   #406
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i'm glad this and especially Flyby never saw the light of day.
Flyby had a decent foundation it just needed abit of a rewrite

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Old 05-16-2014, 02:28 PM   #407
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I disagree, it was changing for the sake of changing, i'm glad Flyby never happened

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When you write stories that deviate from the basic mythology that is so central to a character, your movie equals FAIL!

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I disagree, it was changing for the sake of changing, i'm glad Flyby never happened
A few things to remember we've bever read the final draft so we don't know what was ultimately changed and what wasn't but the latest draft that
I read while still not brilliant was getting there in sone respects. I still say it had good foundations because ultimately things like Krypton blowing up could have been added back in, other than Krypton not exploding its not too much an unfaithful Superman story at all.

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Old 05-22-2014, 02:50 AM   #410
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Schnepp: "We just finished an amazing interview with Producer Lorenzo Di Bonaventura!!!"

Wow, this doc will be so freaking epic!

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Schnepp: "We just finished an amazing interview with Producer Lorenzo Di Bonaventura!!!"

Wow, this doc will be so freaking epic!
Never thought he'd get the then president of Warner Bros, let's hope that his interview is candid. This documentary is shaping up to be amazing!

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Old 05-23-2014, 05:58 AM   #412
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Holy cow...

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Old 05-24-2014, 07:46 PM   #413
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The main guy I wanted to hear from was Nic Cage.

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Old 05-25-2014, 09:36 AM   #414
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The main guy I wanted to hear from was Nic Cage.
Collider Frosty asked him about this doc but Cage's answer was something like: "I said everything I wanted" so I'm not sure Schnepp will secure him. But he's got Burton, Strick, Smith, Atwood, Di Bonaventura, visual effects guys and he's not finished yet.

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I disagree, it was changing for the sake of changing, i'm glad Flyby never happened
They were changes in service of the story Abrams wanted to tell. Some were questionable (one or two outright crappy), but not necessarily for the "sake of changing". And the main elements of the Superman character were there and so well worked out that reading that script sometimes makes me dizzy from how good it is at parts. I would have loved to see that on screen.

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A few things to remember we've bever read the final draft so we don't know what was ultimately changed and what wasn't but the latest draft that I read while still not brilliant was getting there in sone respects.
Having read the 2nd draft online and a synopsis of the Josh Schwartz rewrite (here), I'm of the opinion that this movie was never closer to greatness than while on its 1st draft, where you can see Abrams' enthusiasm for the material unfiltered. The 2nd draft is much more budget-conscious, is brimming with studio notes and tones a lot of the good stuff down, IMO.

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Old 05-28-2014, 12:40 AM   #416
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I hear Schnepp wants to do another kick starter because he isn't even half way done. That is the impression I had while reading his twitter.

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Old 06-08-2014, 05:25 PM   #417
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I'm genuinely more excited about seeing this as I was for Amazing Spidey 2.

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"It's taken a bit longer, and thanks for waiting!!! The Full Trailer drops at SDCC 2014, but all you Kickstarters will be getting it a few days early!!! Schneppzone will have its very own booth #3915, at this years San Diego Comic Con!!! We will be showing clips from the "The Death of Superman Lives: What Happened?"feature film, along with lots of other media surprises!!"

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My thread mentioning the following got deleted because I linked to a Smith video, and he curses like a sailor with Tourette's.

So anyway, does anyone else think the world engine in MoS looks an awful lot like a giant spider?

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Jon Schnepp posted this on Facebook.




Jon Schnepp: "I can't reveal everything yet. Full Trailer drops at San Diego Comic Con (July 24-27)!!! I'll have a booth there as well, showing clips from the movie!!"

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Full trailer next thursday for Kickstarter backers.

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Jon Schnepp needs more money to finish the documentary, you can donate here: http://www.fanbacked.com/c/death-sup...nishing-funds/

I think Schnepp is concocting something VERY SPECIAL here; he got Tim Burton and his crew to talk about the most intriguing superhero movie never made!! This is shaping up to be a spectacular documentary and I hope that people will spread the word and donate; it's gonna be so worth it!

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Superman documentary trailer with director/concept artist Tim Burton, writer Wesley Strick, writer Kevin Smith, costume designer Colleen Atwood, costume designer Steve Johnson, production designer Rick Heinrichs, concept art designer Kerry Gammill, concept art designer Liam Sharp, producer Lorenzo Di Bonaventura and associate producer Derek Frey interview clips, and never before seen clips of footage of Nic Cage in the suit fittings, flying footage, the K regenerative suit, the miniature Brainiac sculpt, concept art designs for the K regenerative suit, etc., Brainiac, Krypton, even Batman/Michael Keaton, plus some Frank Miller-esque silhouetted Superman animation by Jon Schnepp:
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Old 07-24-2014, 07:27 PM   #425
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Awesome! I see John Schnepp talking about this all the time on AMC movie talk. It's great to finally see some footage. I can't believe how far they were into preproduction on this movie. Nick Cage in an actual Superman outfit is mindblowingly weird to see.

I can't wait to see the feature length doc!

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