Reasons why i think Topher Grace is not Venom (clues say everything and its long)

[Superman \S/]

Hi everyone all i have to is that i have no problem with Grace playing Venom. I think it will be cool for someone like him to play such an important role. But i've been doing research on Venom and Grace he lacks
everything the villain has. I went through tons of information and as much as i say it all of it leads to one villain Chameleon. Yes i think Topher will be Chameleon. Why? Ok well first i'll start with he villain gallery. Has anyone taken the time and read the villains? I did and from height to features they are very key. Grace is 5'11 so what i did was see which villains match his height. The ones that came across were Electro, Hobgoblin (Kingsley), Mysterio, and Vulture. Out of all of them they don't fit Topher.
Even the others via Venom are 6'3 and Grace isn't even close to that.
And as for his hair we all know Grace is blond. All the villains either have red, brown, reddish-brown, gray, black, reddish-blond and bald for hair color. None of them are blond. Even Venom in the movie versions characters are all different. In the villain gallery they state that Brock has reddish-blond hair not pure blond! Graces hair is blond and nothing else. Check the villain gallery and you'll all see for yourselves. I thought and the only villain who could have blond hair was the Chameleon that being is because of how he can change to different people. The blond hair could mean that's what his counter part will have. Interesting so far? There is more to it. Remember when we heard the rumor of Church being Chameleon well know he isn't cause he is Sandman. I think that rumor had a clue though. It said Kraven was supposed to be in it and if i remeber in this movie there will be alot to see. Kraven is Chameleons stepbrother and what it said was Kraven is hard on Chameleon pushing him to do things. Grace is young he's 26-27. That would be a good age for the villain because he is younger than Kraven. Venom is older than Spidey by 2-4 years. Not younger. And knowing Raimi i don't think he would make the mistake of casting someone as a villain whos younger and not true to the real character. And why would they have a villain whose already been played in a video game? Venom was is the new Spider-man video game and he was a playable character. Why have him again if it's already been done? Reputition is a facotr i don't think Raimi could be found of. (i think) Now i know the Dunst interview she said herslef he would be playing Venom. But what if they did that to lead us off? She said this in what August September? Why would she reveal the villains when filming didn't even start? If memory serves they always reveal the villans before principal photography and that started about a month ago. We should see the first pic of Grace and who he is playing by the end of this month. Well that's the estimated time I think. Has anyone actually looked at Topher? And a pic of Chameleon? He looks exactly like him when you imagine it.





See what i mean? If you imagine him with that mask and that look with his eyes he looks very much the part IMO. And moe important thing........
OT: Sandmans first appearance was in Amazing Spider-man #4 he's one of Spideys first villains. Venom appeared so many years later and that was in Amazing Spider-man #252. Knowing Raimi what he likes in Spider-man is doing a film that's classic. The last two movies were with 2 classic villians who appeared the same year in Spideys first comic debut. Those villians being Green Goblin and Doc Ock. Chameleon was the very first villian Spider-man fought when he turned superhero. His appearance was in Amazing Spider-man # 1. For that reason i think it leads for Raimi continuing his classic Spidey rouges on film. And if Grace is playing Chameleon then it serves very well. He has all the characteristics Chameleon has. And if this is Raimi and crews last Spider-man movie what better way to end it with Spideys very first villian.

And that's it. I hope you guys see my point and see that there could be more to Grace than we think. I really tried my best with this and i gathered every piece of info given. Now remember i'm not saying he will play Chameleon it's just a theory which i think makes sense. If theres more to it then let there be. Please tell me what you think about what i worte and all the clues that helped this!

So what are your thoughts?

[Saph]

I think you're nuts.

[The Lumberjack]

This is all conjecture. If your main argument wasn't that brock's hair is reddish brown and Topher's is pure blonde (which it isn't, it's a dirty blonde), then maybe you should take a step back and look at how much time you just wasted.

[darkbear]

wow well that pic of topher his hair looks reddish blonde

[Threshold]

You've done absolutely nothing to convince me of your point...

[Superman \S/]

Ok sorry everyone i just had a different point of view is all.
I understand about what you think.

[DrChronic]

I too believe he is not venom, but i dont believe hes chameleon either, infact in the comic books the chameleon has black hair. only the animated series showed the chameleon with blonde hair.

In my oppion your looking at the hobgoblin, not my choice but considering the events of the last two movies well i would seem fitting that harry hires someone to top spiderman rather than him do it himself.

Venom doesnt pose good story telling, well they have to fit the characters around the evolution of spidermans story. Sandman is easy adaptable, lizard is easy adaptable, hobgoblin and even mysterio could be adapted.

But Venom is an epic story that would need more than one film to tell it. considering that this is the closing chapter to a trilogy i dont think this would happen.

Chameleon i would of said is a good character they could of had but neither topher or church had the appearance to pull it off. Instead i always said church looked like sandman and topher as a replacement spiderman man, but i figure that identity plays a big part in the movie, the phrase that struck me with this is when BRUCE CHAMBEL said he is going to be spiderman in the movie, this could well be, i mean maybe he dones the spider suit to commit a crime. and get spiderman into trouble.

So to cut it short i dont think the Chameleon will be the villian but i also believe Venom is a hoex.

Then again the blonde Hair maybe a hoex.

[echostation]

yes he has... he has written lots of wasted textual material using up his valuable time to hope that his long thesis on this costume designing villain crossdressing Topher Venom-Chameleon issue in hopes that everyone will be impressed and understand clearly and believe fully because of the amount of text he has written with such complex characteristically Salman Rushdie style and flair and wit. The length of his dissertation on specializing on crossdressing stipulating villains has stunned the community in all awestruck hupti glory. I even stand bowing land before hand in due forth respect for the text and verbosity with which he articulates his true claims and facts about Topher crossdressing as Chameleon and Venom at the same time.

[Superman \S/]

Thanks Chronic.

And echostation the reason for this thread was not to impress anyone but to simply say that there could be more about Topher and that maybe just maybe he isn't Venom. I'm gonna stay with it.

[Juggernaut]

Well first of your argument about height and looks cn just be thrown out to water because it doesnt matter about there height or hair

Hell Hugh Jackman is like 6'2 and Wolverine in the comics is like 5'8 or some **** like that

Ben Affleck is a brunette and Daredevil was Blonde..

[Superman \S/]

Originally Posted by Juggernaut

Well first of your argument about height and looks cn just be thrown out to water because it doesnt matter about there height or hair

Hell Hugh Jackman is like 6'2 and Wolverine in the comics is like 5'8 or some **** like that

Ben Affleck is a brunette and Daredevil was Blonde..

Agreed but for his hair it's been confirmed it's for the movie.
Though he recently dyed it again.

[HighVoltage]

Interesting Thread.

[Superman \S/]

Originally Posted by HighVoltage

Interesting Thread.

Umm...Thanks

[Venom'sDad]

Originally Posted by HighVoltage

With prep time, Aunt May can kill Batman!

ROTFLMAO...... nice sig....... best one yet.

[Jason Martell]

Topher is not blond, his natural hair color is brown. And it's irrelevant because he could just dye his hair. And height is irrelevant as well. The camera man ususally has to film actors and actresses in a way so their height appears to be how the director wants it to appear.
I quit reading when I got to those arguments, because I wasn't going to read such a long post with faulty intelligence. Quit misleading the American People. There are no Chameleons of Deception in Iraq!

[Toren]

I actually had a response somewhere in there... but I lost it along the way. Now I feel like I'm missing something. No idea what though, lol.

Oh yes, I remember. You stated that Venom is not easily adaptable to the storyline. I can see how Chameleon goes along with what Raimi said... needed to size up how to further his storyline and the best villains to address it. Of course, Venom could fit into that as well.

The basic storyline is Peter adapting to his new life with Mary Jane. Chameleon could be good if he found out Spidey's identity in order to confuse him, but it would be much easier to explain how Venom knew everything about Spider-Man and Peter's life along with Venom stalking Peter and Mary. How bad would that screw with Peter and MJ's relationship when Peter knows he can't even save himself and now MJ's in danger thanks to Peter. That's why I think it'll be Venom over Chameleon.

Also, in one of the other threads, I really liked how one person saw this movie... That this is what could happen to him if he didn't control his anger, or something along those lines.

[Jason Martell]

You gusy know Venom can change his appeance to match that of any person of simillair size. that might be why they picked Topher for the part, but I hope not. I don't want Venom posing as Peter Parker interferring with his life in that way. It just seems like too much of a pussy kind of thing for the almighty Venom.

[Venom'sDad]

Originally Posted by Toren

I actually had a response somewhere in there... but I lost it along the way. Now I feel like I'm missing something. No idea what though, lol.

Oh yes, I remember. You stated that Venom is not easily adaptable to the storyline. I can see how Chameleon goes along with what Raimi said... needed to size up how to further his storyline and the best villains to address it. Of course, Venom could fit into that as well.

The basic storyline is Peter adapting to his new life with Mary Jane. Chameleon could be good if he found out Spidey's identity in order to confuse him, but it would be much easier to explain how Venom knew everything about Spider-Man and Peter's life along with Venom stalking Peter and Mary. How bad would that screw with Peter and MJ's relationship when Peter knows he can't even save himself and now MJ's in danger thanks to Peter. That's why I think it'll be Venom over Chameleon.

Also, in one of the other threads, I really liked how one person saw this movie... That this is what could happen to him if he didn't control his anger, or something along those lines.

Good post Toren..... that why I said, I'm torn between the two Chameleon & Venom. Those statement can indeed apply to both.... but I wouldn't say it's easiler how Venom knows PP ID compared to the Chameleon, because the Chameleon(as I said in "Making the Case") can be a good hire by Harry, and Harry can inform Dimitri on all the details he need to put the plot into motion. Because of my post and your post, is why I believe you can eliminate Electro and HobGoblin as possible villains that Topher may play. It's got to be between Chameleon and Venom.......... and I'm back on the Chameleon bandwagon.... but not by much.

[Tron5000]

Originally Posted by Jason Martell

You gusy know Venom can change his appeance to match that of any person of simillair size. that might be why they picked Topher for the part, but I hope not. I don't want Venom posing as Peter Parker interferring with his life in that way. It just seems like too much of a pussy kind of thing for the almighty Venom.

If he could change his appearance to MATCH someone, why would they need Topher? Wouldn't Tobey just play the role?

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Venom'sDad

Good post Toren..... that why I said, I'm torn between the two Chameleon & Venom. Those statement can indeed apply to both.... but I wouldn't say it's easiler how Venom knows PP ID compared to the Chameleon, because the Chameleon(as I said in "Making the Case") can be a good hire by Harry, and Harry can inform Dimitri on all the details he need to put the plot into motion. Because of my post and your post, is why I believe you can eliminate Electro and HobGoblin as possible villains that Topher may play. It's got to be between Chameleon and Venom.......... and I'm back on the Chameleon bandwagon.... but not by much.

Thanks on the compliment.

I totally forgot you made that point about Harry telling him. I was mainly thinking of how hard it would be for Chameleon to just happen to "stumble" on Peter's identity. Harry informing him could very well work, but I'm starting to think that Harry would more likely just become a Goblin because he knows that if he gives up Peter then his friends will get hurt. Harry is more obsessed with getting Spider-Man, not hurting Mary Jane or Aunt May.

I'm still pushing for Venom. It would be a lot more visceral than Chameleon would be. It would make for better cinema than Chameleon... Chameleon would be more for a psychological thriller... kinda like how Pennywise in Stephen King's IT messed with all of the main character's minds by transforming into something familiar to them.

[Jason Martell]

well because Eddie brock does not look like Tobey, and Eddie would sometimes want to look like himself.

[Trooper]

Originally Posted by Superman \S/

Ok sorry everyone i just had a different point of view is all.
I understand about what you think.

hey thats ok, but i personally think he is venom, if you want to know why go read the venom saga in the ultimate comics or play the game, whichever.

personally i think topher grace is venom wanna know why most ppl who read the comics know chameleon yes but do all tghe average ppl no.,...

most ppl know who venom is because hes a really come character liek xmen or fantastic four and thats why i say it would be venom......


but thats just what i think and everyone is entitled to there own opinion

if i were doin this movie id proly try and do the sinister six to see if it coudl adapt to biog screen then later on make a trilogy out of the maixmum carnage comic book in 6 parts cause that was one of my favorite comic books as a kid

[Killgore]

The mods really need to start doing background checks on newbies. At least make it a year before a newbie can start a thread.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Killgore

The mods really need to start doing background checks on newbies. At least make it a year before a newbie can start a thread.

Wouldn't work very well. I only made a limited number of posts during Spider-Man 2 hype time and came back earlier this year after being on here a long time. So going by that, I could make new threads even though I only had a handful of posts, heh.

Good times.