Bond inspires Batman inspires Bond

[Kevin Roegele]

Isn't it ironic that Batman Begins owes so much to Bond movies (the Q scenes, the gadgets, the largely Brit cast, Chris Nolan saying that the 70's Bond movies were a big inspiration), and now Casino Royale is a serious, gritty, Batman Begins-inspired revamp, 007 Begins if you will?

Christian Bale as Bond though......if only.....


"Now, pay attention, 007...."

[patrickbateman]

i remember telling my friends batman begins = golden eye

[droogiedroogie2]

Yeah, it's pretty sad, isn't it? We could have had just another watch-it-half-asleep-and-you-get-the-same-testosterone-pleasing-excitement-out-of-it Bond movie, and I say that in the best way possible. Instead we get a "reboot" because that's more "realistic." Well **** realism. It's Bond, mother****er.

That's why I'll never accept this movie in my personal fanon. It's an unnecessary reboot. The real Bond lives forever.

This has nothing to do with his hair color, by the way. I really want to stress that. I am not one of these people that is obsessing over his hair color.

[patrickbateman]

blame it ON QT

[PunisherPoster]

I never had any interest in seeing Bale as 007, even though I know he was a popular candidate with fans. But to be honest, in light of what we now know storywise, I think he would've been a far better choice. (Almost ideal, even.)

I'm sorry, but James Bond isn't just a generic tough guy. The whole point is that he's the guy who kills someone, then pauses to fix his tie on the way out.

[xwolverine2]

Originally Posted by patrickbateman

blame it ON QT

you mean THANK QT... bond was going TOO far.its nice to see something new

[Two-Face]

I would have loved seen Christian Bale play James Bond but I'm happy he's Batman.

[droogiedroogie2]

Originally Posted by PunisherPoster

I never had any interest in seeing Bale as 007, even though I know he was a popular candidate with fans. But to be honest, in light of what we now know storywise, I think he would've been a far better choice. (Almost ideal, even.)

I'm sorry, but James Bond isn't just a generic tough guy. The whole point is that he's the guy who kills someone, then pauses to fix his tie on the way out.

And Daniel Craig was a better selection for that than Bale. The best, of course, would have been to just stick with Pierce Brosnan.

[patrickbateman]

Originally Posted by xwolverine2

you mean THANK QT... bond was going TOO far.its nice to see something new

they're not going to thank him they stole his idea man didnt you see him mention it ? he wanted to do a casino royale movie way before dude from golden eye stepped in

[xwolverine2]

Originally Posted by patrickbateman

they're not going to thank him they stole his idea man didnt you see him mention it ? he wanted to do a casino royale movie way before dude from golden eye stepped in

^^
yeah i know, i saw him say it on conan o'brien a LONG time ago...

i tell you....its not fair

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by patrickbateman

they're not going to thank him they stole his idea man didnt you see him mention it ? he wanted to do a casino royale movie way before dude from golden eye stepped in

That's silly. Are you seriously suggesting that in the forty years EON have been making Bond movies, they've never considered making Casino Royale?

[PunisherPoster]

Originally Posted by droogiedroogie2

The best, of course, would have been to just stick with Pierce Brosnan.

I also think they should have done a "back to basics" Bond with Brosnan. It would have helped pave the way for Craig or whoever ended up succeeding him. As it stands, the drastic change in tone may end up alienating audiences.

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by PunisherPoster

I also think they should have done a "back to basics" Bond with Brosnan. It would have helped pave the way for Craig or whoever ended up succeeding him. As it stands, the drastic change in tone may end up alienating audiences.

It won't be a drastic change in tone. It will be the same stuff we've always had, with just a few cosmetic changes to keep with the times.

[patrickbateman]

Originally Posted by Kevin Roegele

That's silly. Are you seriously suggesting that in the forty years EON have been making Bond movies, they've never considered making Casino Royale?

exactly its like DC saying let continue with Burton's batman let not explain how he got there. dude they had a clear cut shot to make Casino Royale with Pierce way back in the 90's he was hailed pretty similar to how bale was as hailed as batman (i.e the prefect guy for the role). but they decided to go with a lose re-start or update if you may call it with goldeneye. bryan doing the same approach with superman returns the whole vague sequel ideology

[PunisherPoster]

Originally Posted by Kevin Roegele

It won't be a drastic change in tone. It will be the same stuff we've always had, with just a few cosmetic changes to keep with the times.

Well, from the sound of it, they've made some pretty drastic changes to Bond's character.

It also doesn't sound like this will be the traditional Bond film most audiences expect (ie. no Q, Moneypenny, light on gadgets, etc.). The truth is, most people don't go to a Bond film expecting gritty realism. Even OHMSS (widely hailed as the most realistic one) featured a 'brainwashed females bent on germ warfare' plot that would've made Derek Flint proud.

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by PunisherPoster

Well, from the sound of it, they've made some pretty drastic changes to Bond's character.

It also doesn't sound like this will be the traditional Bond film most audiences expect (ie. no Q, Moneypenny, light on gadgets, etc.). The truth is, most people don't go to a Bond film expecting gritty realism. Even OHMSS (widely hailed as the most realistic one) featured a 'brainwashed females bent on germ warfare' plot that would've made Derek Flint proud.

The changes are no more than ones made during Dalton's reign. Live and Let Die had no Q, no Walter PPK, no tuxedo, and Roger Moore never said, "Shaken not stirred' in any of his films.

[PunisherPoster]

Originally Posted by Kevin Roegele

The changes are no more than ones made during Dalton's reign. Live and Let Die had no Q, no Walter PPK, no tuxedo, and Roger Moore never said, "Shaken not stirred' in any of his films.

Yes, but Dalton's films are widely regarded as failing to connect with the masses. Desmond Llewelyn once said that LTK's downfall was "straying too far from the typical 'Bond film'".

And although LALD was a bit of an oddity, the six Moore films that followed certainly stuck closely to a traditional formula. Moore has even referred to Bond as "a fairytale- and one in which the story must never change".

But through it all, the character of James Bond has remained pretty consistent. He was always a very sophisticated hero, not someone who got down and dirty like Jason Bourne (ie. in LALD, Bond still stuck out pretty badly in Harlem). He also never slept with married women because they were easy prey. (Which, if you think about it, is about as far from Bond as you can get.)

[rdh007]

Originally Posted by Two Face

I would have loved seen Christian Bale play James Bond but I'm happy he's Batman.

[Everyman]

Originally Posted by PunisherPoster

Even OHMSS (widely hailed as the most realistic one) featured a 'brainwashed females bent on germ warfare' plot that would've made Derek Flint proud.

Well, with what we had recently and are having still: mad cow disease, bird flue, foot and mouth disease, I think OHMSS might be the most realistic and contemporary Bond ever. The only downright irrealistic thing is the brainwash if you think about it.

[PunisherPoster]

Originally Posted by Everyman

The only downright irrealistic thing is the brainwash if you think about it.

The brainwash of beautiful girls at a lavish resort, no less. But let's also not forget Bond's uncanny (and seemingly instant) ability to mimic someone else's voice, the chase through a bobsled track, etc. (In other words, the Bond films have always been tilted more towards the fantastic than the realistic.)

But yes, if Blofeld really had that type of technology, just think of the killing he could have made in the self-help field!

[Everyman]

Originally Posted by PunisherPoster

The brainwash of beautiful girls at a lavish resort, no less.

I guess this is where Fleming ceased to be realistic to go mythical, beautiful girls prisonner of an uber-evil man who control them via some mental cotnrol is the stuff of fairytales. It worked fine for me, but I always found funny that such an OTT McGuffen was mixed with a veryr ealistic one (although I suspect that back in the 60s, a superterrorist releasing germs to poison the food production of Europe seemed far-fetched).

[ampersand]

Were people as negative about BB being made as they are about the new Bond? Both franchises are/were in the same position. BB worked for the bat franchise, why can't Casino Royale work for Bond?

[PunisherPoster]

Originally Posted by Everyman

I guess this is where Fleming ceased to be realistic to go mythical, beautiful girls prisonner of an uber-evil man who control them via some mental cotnrol is the stuff of fairytales.

Nothing wrong with this approach, but that was my point. Bond has never really been about realistic espionage, despite the fact that many fans like to think of him as such. It's always been fictional and fantastic.

In fact, he's probably the worst spy you could possibly choose for undercover work. Whereas the other 00 agents never had a problem staying incognito, Bond introduces himself to everyone as soon as they meet!

Even in Fleming's books, the character was a male fantasy, and the villains he faced were equally exaggerated. I mean, in real life, Dr. No would have just killed Bond- not had him run through some elaborate hamster maze of death!

[Kevin Roegele]

It's important to note, however, that whilst all Bond films contain fantastical elements, there are different degrees of it. Licence to Kill, For Your Eyes Only and From Russia With Love are all somewhat more realistic and serious than the likes of Moonraker, Die Another Day and You Only Live Twice, for instance.

[Flame on!]

Originally Posted by Kevin Roegele

It's important to note, however, that whilst all Bond films contain fantastical elements, there are different degrees of it. Licence to Kill, For Your Eyes Only and From Russia With Love are all somewhat more realistic and serious than the likes of Moonraker, Die Another Day and You Only Live Twice, for instance.

Is it coincidence that the 3 'realistic' ones are far superior?