X-Men: The Last Stand actually the most "comic book" for me

[Fanged-Hunter]

Mainly there were so many non-death deaths that this one is definitely the most comic book feeling for me.

Cyclops: Death by assumption.
Cyclops' face began to ripple as he kissed Jean and he opened his eyes. After that, we know nothing except that they find his glasses and Jean unconcsious. Why did Jean pass out after obliterating Cyclops? Or moreso, why did Phoenix?

Here's a thought, she didn't kill him. He felt something was wrong, obviously, and could have pushed her back, his optic blast being released. Remember his power is a concussive blast, not energy. It's like a megaton hammer wailing on something. Blasting Jean from close range, assuming Phoenix pulled up a tek shield would possibly knock her out as well as send Scott flying well into the woods from the force. So why didn't they find him? Well, Charles never looked for Cyclops with Cerebro that we know, as he was dealing with repressing Phoenix. Put a guy in the woods, lost, and essentially blind and he's not likely going to show back up.

Verdict: Comic book movie adapts comic book rules. No corpse, definitely no certain death.

Mystique
Death by power loss and the question of her betrayal
We see Magneto's powers returning, and he was jabbed with four needles. Mystique was shot with one, so theoretically she'd regain her powers if the writers wanted her to. As for her betrayal, I find it odd that she turned in Magneto and sent them to his base at the right time for them to find Multiple Man as a decoy. Was this part of the plan in the long run and despite being jilted, Mystique went through with it? No telling for sure.

Verdict: A likely return if X4 is made (and box office results beg why they wouldn't)

Rogue
Death by power loss
Similar to Mystique, she can easily regain her powers, likely at the worst possible moment.

Verdict: A likely return

Magneto
Death by power loss
Clearly coming back as he moved the chess piece


Charles Xavier
Death by obliteration
Quite possibly the most comic book style non-death of the film. Before he's wiped out, he looked to Wolverine and...smiles. Clearly, he knows something we don't.

Now, then, the body was born with no brain activity, but the body functions. This is essentially a shell, so should we transfer a mind into it, is it ethical? It could be very ethical if the person taking care of it is a geneticist and close personal friend.

Arguably, by comic possibility, Charles could have worked with Moira to creat a clone of himself, but telepathically kept the mind from developing. Essentially, this would create a shell of himself ready in case of the worst happening. This also lets us bring back Xavier with Patrick Stewart as the body, not just the voice.

Biggest Disappointment for me:
Psylocke. Why put her in the movie if you don't even give her her powers? She would have fit in for a Wolverine movie as an ally or enemy if it were to take place in Japan.

The Cure not working?
Well, Leech's power only works when you're near him. They based it off his DNA, so it's not impossible to imagine that they didn't test it enough to find that it has a temporary effect.

And finally, sorry for posting a new thread that likely could have been addressed in multiple other threads. I'm back after a while and wasn't sure the best way to browse through boards for all these points.

[Secret_Riddle]

i dono man u bring up some interesting points and there was a lot more comic book aspects to this one then the previous 2 movies.... but i dono i found this one more unrealistic as opposed to more comic booky.

then again comic books r more unrealistic and this movie was tragic wich was something that the first 2 never really caputured except for the end of 2. and i find then comics r very tragic. so i guess your right but im a hard core comic fan and i enjoyed x2 more then x3..

[WTFimVENOM]

Originally Posted by Fanged-Hunter

Mainly there were so many non-death deaths that this one is definitely the most comic book feeling for me.

Cyclops: Death by assumption.
Cyclops' face began to ripple as he kissed Jean and he opened his eyes. After that, we know nothing except that they find his glasses and Jean unconcsious. Why did Jean pass out after obliterating Cyclops? Or moreso, why did Phoenix?

Here's a thought, she didn't kill him. He felt something was wrong, obviously, and could have pushed her back, his optic blast being released. Remember his power is a concussive blast, not energy. It's like a megaton hammer wailing on something. Blasting Jean from close range, assuming Phoenix pulled up a tek shield would possibly knock her out as well as send Scott flying well into the woods from the force. So why didn't they find him? Well, Charles never looked for Cyclops with Cerebro that we know, as he was dealing with repressing Phoenix. Put a guy in the woods, lost, and essentially blind and he's not likely going to show back up.

Verdict: Comic book movie adapts comic book rules. No corpse, definitely no certain death.

Mystique
Death by power loss and the question of her betrayal
We see Magneto's powers returning, and he was jabbed with four needles. Mystique was shot with one, so theoretically she'd regain her powers if the writers wanted her to. As for her betrayal, I find it odd that she turned in Magneto and sent them to his base at the right time for them to find Multiple Man as a decoy. Was this part of the plan in the long run and despite being jilted, Mystique went through with it? No telling for sure.

Verdict: A likely return if X4 is made (and box office results beg why they wouldn't)

Rogue
Death by power loss
Similar to Mystique, she can easily regain her powers, likely at the worst possible moment.

Verdict: A likely return

Magneto
Death by power loss
Clearly coming back as he moved the chess piece


Charles Xavier
Death by obliteration
Quite possibly the most comic book style non-death of the film. Before he's wiped out, he looked to Wolverine and...smiles. Clearly, he knows something we don't.

Now, then, the body was born with no brain activity, but the body functions. This is essentially a shell, so should we transfer a mind into it, is it ethical? It could be very ethical if the person taking care of it is a geneticist and close personal friend.

Arguably, by comic possibility, Charles could have worked with Moira to creat a clone of himself, but telepathically kept the mind from developing. Essentially, this would create a shell of himself ready in case of the worst happening. This also lets us bring back Xavier with Patrick Stewart as the body, not just the voice.

Biggest Disappointment for me:
Psylocke. Why put her in the movie if you don't even give her her powers? She would have fit in for a Wolverine movie as an ally or enemy if it were to take place in Japan.

The Cure not working?
Well, Leech's power only works when you're near him. They based it off his DNA, so it's not impossible to imagine that they didn't test it enough to find that it has a temporary effect.

And finally, sorry for posting a new thread that likely could have been addressed in multiple other threads. I'm back after a while and wasn't sure the best way to browse through boards for all these points.

WOW, you read my mind exactly! Even up to the Psylock being the biggest dissapointment.

[L0ngsh0t]

yeah it may be more unrealistic but how real are the stuff they are supposebly basing the movies on?

there comic books...i agree more comic booky, i liked it

[Jake-El]

Ya know something? I agree. I believe this movie along with being more comic accurate, was actually leaps and bounds better than the first two, Singer be damned.

[WTFimVENOM]

Did anyone call her Psylocke in the movie? It would be great if she was put into a future X-movie and it was clearly her (called by her name + use of more of her powers) so we could just say that the mutant in X3 was somebody else

[comicgirl]

Originally Posted by L0ngsh0t

yeah it may be more unrealistic but how real are the stuff they are supposebly basing the movies on?

there comic books...i agree more comic booky, i liked it

Oh, yeah!! I loved the mutant on mutant fights (finally)! Best movie

[ShadowBoxing]

Originally Posted by Jake-El

Ya know something? I agree. I believe this movie along with being more comic accurate, was actually leaps and bounds better than the first two, Singer be damned.

You did not just say more comic accurate, exactly what comic was that accurate two, because the characters barely resembled their comic selves (even the ones that did were underused, or on the wrong side i.e. multiple man) and the storyline was not anything from the comic.period.exclamation point.question mark.period.

[WTFimVENOM]

Originally Posted by ShadowBoxing

You did not just say more comic accurate, exactly what comic was that accurate two, because the characters barely resembled their comic selves (even the ones that did were underused, or on the wrong side i.e. multiple man) and the storyline was not anything from the comic.period.exclamation point.question mark.period.

Yeah, I really liked how they did multiple man but I would have liked it much better if he was on the right side

[D-scythe]

Originally Posted by Jake-El

Ya know something? I agree. I believe this movie along with being more comic accurate, was actually leaps and bounds better than the first two, Singer be damned.

How so? Was it the part where Logan replaced Scott in the Dark Phoenix plot? Or the part where Logan acted like Scott? Or the part where Rogue took the mutant cure? There's more mischaracterizations, but I'm not gonna go on.

But to say that it was more comic book accurate...the statement is laughable.

[ShadowBoxing]

Originally Posted by WTFimVENOM

Yeah, I really liked how they did multiple man but I would have liked it much better if he was on the right side

I mean honestly I don't care about that. Multiple Man was great, thats not my point. My point is IT'S NOT comic accurate. Accuracy denotes it follows the comic to some degree. For example Sin City is the height of comic accuracy. X2 is comic accurate in much less an extent, but follows a basic comic storyline. The first X-Men Graphic Novel, God Loves Man Kills. Spider-Man(s) would also fall as comic accurate, as would Batman Begins to high degrees. Because for the most part the characters match up with their comic counterparts and the origins are basically the same for most characters.

[ShadowBoxing]

Originally Posted by D-scythe

How so? Was it the part where Logan replaced Scott in the Dark Phoenix plot? Or the part where Logan acted like Scott? Or the part where Rogue took the mutant cure? There's more mischaracterizations, but I'm not gonna go on.

But to say that it was more comic book accurate...the statement is laughable.

It is, I don't get the impression that 75% of the users on the X-forum even read or know about the comic. I have heard several say Gambit should have been present in the Phoenix Saga, or where was Morph. Not only that several people don't understand exactly what is wrong with killing Cyclops in THIS particular movie.

[mysticalflames]

You are right, I hope that in X4 they play by comic standards, because if not, No Jean and who knows whos next to die ?

[Darkdd]

It is for me too.I went home after seeing the movie and it felt as if i had just finished reading a (great) Marvel event of the year.

[ShadowBoxing]

Originally Posted by mysticalflames

You are right, I hope that in X4 they play by comic standards, because if not, No Jean and who knows whos next to die ?

For the next one bring Cyclops back. End this whole mutant/human/brotherhood love hate fest they have going on because its old. Send them into space and have them fight the Brood or something. Bring Cyclops back have him lead and do the Brood storyline or the Fall of the Mutants storyline (with Apocalypse) or even better yet if you want to keep the tone do the Genosha storyline with Hodge and the Sentinels.

[DMRadz]

Originally Posted by WTFimVENOM

Did anyone call her Psylocke in the movie? It would be great if she was put into a future X-movie and it was clearly her (called by her name + use of more of her powers) so we could just say that the mutant in X3 was somebody else

No but the credits say Psylocke.

[crappymovie]

The movie butchered the character of Phoenix. Any fan can tell you that she's not just a minion of Magneto, to be used as the ultimate weapon. And she would have destroyed Logan...wait her "love" for him prevented her from destroying him.

[D-scythe]

Originally Posted by Darkdd

It is for me too.I went home after seeing the movie and it felt as if i had just finished reading a (great) Marvel event of the year.

Which begs the question - have you ever read an X-men comic in your life?

[ShadowBoxing]

Originally Posted by crappymovie

The movie butchered the character of Phoenix. Any fan can tell you that she's not just a minion of Magneto, to be used as the ultimate weapon. And she would have destroyed Logan...wait her "love" for him prevented her from destroying him.

The point of the Phoenix Saga and the point of what Charles said in X3 kinda indicated she could not be controlled. Hence the Shi'ar involvement in Uncanny X-Men. However in X3 Magneto does a very nice job of controlling her. In fact she is obedient to him until the very end, where she is still trying to destroy what Magneto told her to destroy. If this were the real Phoenix she would have killed Magneto the minute that battle scene started. whipped out the entire base and X-Men with a thought, especially Wolverine who she did not give a hoot about for the last 45 minutes of the film.

In the comic the point was clear. Scott ask her "why won't you kill me" and she replies (which should have been in X3) "because you're not worth it". But Scott knows there is another reason. She obviously loved Scott when she turned Logan down in the last film, and obviously did not care about Logan enough to stay with the X-Men. She just sat there like a veggitable after killing all the people who could have brought her back thus causing the Deus Ex Machina ending with Wolverine.

[ShadowBoxing]

Originally Posted by Darkdd

It is for me too.I went home after seeing the movie and it felt as if i had just finished reading a (great) Marvel event of the year.

Have you ever read the actual Phoenix Saga, or any X-Men comic for that matter.

[Darkdd]

Originally Posted by D-scythe

Which begs the question - have you ever read an X-men comic in your life?

Yes,I have.

[The Kid]

What the hell happened to Xavier's levelheaded cool attitude. tell me.

[jusblaze21]

Although the previous movies were not completely accurate to the comic book. X3 is the most inaccurate to the comic.

[Darkdd]

I think that was a little off.I think the director,etc. wanted to play up the 'Prof.X is a jerk' angle.

[crappymovie]

"I warned you."