As much as I don't want him to...

[Ronny Shade]

I think Lucius Fox has to die.

Either in BB2 or BB3. That way Bruce can succeed him as the "genius" who makes all the gadgets.


Thoughts?

[chosen1]

Originally Posted by Ronny Shade

I think Lucius Fox has to die.

Either in BB2 or BB3. That way Bruce can succeed him as the "genius" who makes all the gadgets.


Thoughts?

What are you guys talking about?? He runs wayne enterprises for a long time while bruce is in cape in cowl. He does'nt have to be in the future films.

[DV8]

I don't want Lucius to die Ronny

But I see your point . . . if he's gonna be in it, he needs some kind of story arc . . . . there was an ep of TAS where Lucius was blackmailed by a judge; maybe we could incorporate that into the story, cuz he basically knows who Batman is . . . .

But since he's now running Wayne Enterprises, we do need a succeeder . . . and in order to protect Batman's alter ego, it might have to be Wayne himself

[Rynan]

Lucius No Die...

[Ronny Shade]

Originally Posted by Batman

It's only his opinion. Something obviously is going to happen with the character if he returns, so it doesn't hurt to speculate what it might be.

Batman > The Batman

In TV and in SHH apparently

[The Batman]

Originally Posted by Batman

It's only his opinion. Something obviously is going to happen with the character if he returns, so it doesn't hurt to speculate what it might be.

There's simply no need to have fox killed off. its unnecessary, but not surprising since batfans hear are apparently bloodthirsty for joker to kill off somebody. There are ways of making Batman a genius without killing off fox

[The Batman]

Originally Posted by Ronny Shade

Batman > The Batman

In TV and in SHH apparently

Yup, because he's too nice to tell you if your idea is bad or not, he's apparently better than me. You asked for thoughts, and i gave you mine. Plain and simple.

[Shedhut]

Originally Posted by Ronny Shade

I think Lucius Fox has to die.

Either in BB2 or BB3. That way Bruce can succeed him as the "genius" who makes all the gadgets.


Thoughts?

you earn an award my friend.

How much cooler would it have been if Bruce had sneaked in WE and acctually stole anything he needed in BB.

[Nightwing]

Originally Posted by The Batman

There's simply no need to have fox killed off. its unnecessary, but not surprising since batfans hear are apparently bloodthirsty for joker to kill off somebody. There are ways of making Batman a genius without killing off fox

That's what half the threads on this board is, speculation. For instance, who the Joker will be, or the fate of Rachel Dawes. Freeman spoke about himself returning to the role, and that it was up to Nolan and the writers on what they wanted to do with the character. So again, we don't know what will happen with him. He may live, he may die, or even end up in a hospital.

You simply don't call someone's ideas "stupid" just because you don't like it. All you have to do is ignore it, also, 'here' isn't spelled 'hear'.

Originally Posted by The Batman

Yup, because he's too nice to tell you that your idea is bad, he's apparently better than me.

Don't even try to put words in my mouth.

Originally Posted by The Batman

No wonder i dont come here much.

No wonder.

Originally Posted by The Batman

no one said it wasnt...i'm merely hoping that the actually story is confirmed so we dont get threads asking for batman to curse or have joker kill someone off cause its kewl...

It's going to keep happening for the next few months, until Nolan is done with The Prestige.

[The Batman]

But he asked for thoughts. I told him i thought it was a bad idea. If he didnt want to know what i thought of his idea, he shouldnt have typed "Thoughts?" at the end of his first post.

and if Nolan decides to kill him off in the film, depending on how it happens, it could be a good or bad idea there. But killing him off simply so bruce can build gadgets is a shallow reason to kill off a supporting character, much like killing off cyclops in X3 so Wolverine can lead the team.

[Ronny Shade]

Originally Posted by The Batman

no one said it wasnt...i'm merely hoping that the actually story is confirmed so we dont get threads asking for batman to curse or have joker kill someone off cause its kewl...

I didn't say it because I think it's cool, I said it because I think it will help advance the plot and develop the main character.

[The Batman]

Batman dosent need lucius dead to build his own gadgets. And i dont see how killing off fox advances the story. As weak as killing off rachel is, it makes some sense, since she and bruce are so close.

[Nightwing]

Originally Posted by The Batman

But he asked for thoughts. I told him i thought it was a bad idea. If he didnt want to know what i thought of his idea, he shouldnt have typed "Thoughts?" at the end of his first post.

No, you thought his idea of the thread was stupid. If you thought that, then you're the one who shouldn't have even bothered with it. In the end, it's always going to be someone's opinion. Like how you try to justify that Cyclops should've been the one in Wolverine's place. Or how you call other people's opinion "pathetic" because it doesn't suit your own.

Originally Posted by The Batman

and if Nolan decides to kill him off in the film, depending on how it happens, it could be a good or bad idea there. But killing him off simply so bruce can build gadgets is a shallow reason to kill off a supporting character, much like killing off cyclops in X3 so Wolverine can lead the team.

There can be other reasons surrounding it, Ronny just listed one of them.

[Mee]

I don't think he HAS to die. I could see it happening, but I don't think it has to happen.

I kinda like Bats not being a super genious and he has someone to make his gadgets. (fits with Nolan's realism too) And it answers the age old question, "where does he get those wonderful toys?"

[The Batman]

Originally Posted by Batman

No, you thought his idea of the thread was stupid. If you thought that, then you're the one who shouldn't have even bothered with it. In the end, it's always going to be someone's opinion. Like how you try to justify that Cyclops should've been the one in Wolverine's place. Or how you call other people's opinion "pathetic" because it doesn't suit your own.



There can be other reasons surrounding it, Ronny just listed one of them.

Well, if it was someone else's opinion, he shouldnt have added "Thoughts". to the end of his post. And as for Cyclops and Wolverine, there really is no need to justify it, as in every version of the x-men Cyclops has been de facto leader. Even people who dont like cyclops agree and know that. Just like lucius, who's never been killed in the comics, especially not because they need to make batman look smarter. if they can do that in the comics, why not in the movies? Should lucius be under some threat? Hell yes. But killing him off isnt necessarily the answer. that thinking led to cyke getting killed off in X3 when he didnt need to be.

[Ronny Shade]

Originally Posted by The Batman

Batman dosent need lucius dead to build his own gadgets. And i dont see how killing off fox advances the story. As weak as killing off rachel is, it makes some sense, since she and bruce are so close.

Having Batman including Fox in his crusade, as he obvioucly is doing, even though not overtly telling him, and having him get killed because of it, would have a similar effect to rachel dying.

Also, as I said, I think it would provide a good path for Bruce to grow into the super-genius shoes that he wears in the comics.

[The Batman]

Originally Posted by Ronny Shade

Having Batman including Fox in his crusade, as he obvioucly is doing, even though not overtly telling him, and having him get killed because of it, would have a similar effect to rachel dying.

Also, as I said, I think it would provide a good path for Bruce to grow into the super-genius shoes that he wears in the comics.

Ah, I see now. I still dont think he needs to be killed, but that actually is a good idea. And more surprising since everyone wants rachel to die because they hate katie holmes....

[Nightwing]

Originally Posted by The Batman

Well, if it was someone else's opinion, he shouldnt have added "Thoughts". to the end of his post. And as for Cyclops and Wolverine, there really is no need to justify it, as in every version of the x-men Cyclops has been de facto leader. Even people who dont like cyclops agree and know that. Just like lucius, who's never been killed in the comics, especially not because they need to make batman look smarter. if they can do that in the comics, why not in the movies? Should lucius be under some threat? Hell yes. But killing him off isnt necessarily the answer. that thinking led to cyke getting killed off in X3 when he didnt need to be.

But you didn't like the idea, if I recall. Cyclops not being the leader of the team was just one of the flaws of X3, that I thought could've been dealt with better. I didn't have that much of a problem with Wolverine taking his place. Even though he gets enough popularity as it is in the comics. I don't want to talk about X3, because this isn't the place to do so.

Lucius' death is just speculation as opposed to fans wanting the Dawes character killed off. Again, we DON'T know what will happen with any of the characters in the sequel. That's why the board's are there, for everyone to express how they feel about a certain topic. And it's ok to do so, until it's finally confirmed. Even if Fox has yet to die in the comics, it's not like Rachel was an actual character from any of the books. Comic film adaptions may not always follow up to their original concepts, but that's only a question of who is behind the project.

[The Batman]

Originally Posted by Batman

But you didn't like the idea, if I recall. Cyclops not being the leader of the team was just one of the flaws of X3, that I thought could've been dealt with better. I didn't have that much of a problem with Wolverine taking his place. Even though he gets enough popularity as it is in the comics. I don't want to talk about X3, because this isn't the place to do so.

Lucius' death is just speculation as opposed to fans wanting the Dawes character killed off. Again, we DON'T know what will happen with any of the characters in the sequel. That's why the board's are there, for everyone to express how they feel about a certain topic. And it's ok to do so, until it's finally confirmed. Even if Fox has yet to die in the comics, it's not like Rachel was an actual character from any of the books. Comic film adaptions may not always follow up to their original concepts, but that's only a question of who is behind the project.

Creating a new character for the movies is quite different from killing off a long time supporting character in the movies. I know we dont know whats going to happen in the movie. I was just saying that some of the fan ideas here can be ridiculous. But i'm not calling for an end to specualtion.

[Ronny Shade]

Originally Posted by The Batman

Creating a new character for the movies is quite different from killing off a long time supporting character in the movies. I know we dont know whats going to happen in the movie. I was just saying that some of the fan ideas here can be ridiculous. But i'm not calling for an end to specualtion.

Like Jonathon Kent

[The Batman]

Jonathan Kent died in the comics before STM came out....

But, Batman, now that i see ronny's point, i understand what he was trying to say. I Assumed that his post was like the usual "kill someone off" post, but its not. I apologize for jumping on him like that.

[Nightwing]

Originally Posted by The Batman

Creating a new character for the movies is quite different from killing off a long time supporting character in the movies. I know we dont know whats going to happen in the movie. I was just saying that some of the fan ideas here can be ridiculous. But i'm not calling for an end to specualtion.

Of course it is. I'm only pointing out that the Dawes character had nothing to do with the comics. And yes, they can be. But it's only a question of who they're made by.

[Nightwing]

Edit.

[Ronny Shade]

Originally Posted by The Batman

Jonathan Kent died in the comics before STM came out....

But, Batman, now that i see ronny's point, i understand what he was trying to say. I Assumed that his post was like the usual "kill someone off" post, but its not. I apologize for jumping on him like that.

apology accepted.

[The Question]

Why does Lucius need to die? Why does Bruce have to make everything himself? In the comics, he hasn't made many gadgets for himself in a loong time. Before he was killed in Hush, Harold built all of his gear for him. Since then, Toyman II has been his tech guy.