Where has Scott Summers gone?

[Hack and Slash]

Originally Posted by warpdrive

I don't know, you could see a dark essence within her when she was using her powers(not that the phoenix force is actually evil just merciless) it looked like the phoenix was emerging

yup i think so too...

[Destructicus]

hes at genosha

[borinquenknight]

Originally Posted by Destructicus

hes at genosha

Genosha! See, now that would make for a great story arc! They could've culminated the series there! Rats!

[warpdrive]

Originally Posted by borinquenknight

Genosha! See, now that would make for a great story arc! They could've culminated the series there! Rats!

maybe, lol would have been quite sad though.......hey manke a great story

[Mother_Askani]

If Scott comes back, then "death" is meaningless in the X-franchise and the movies becomes less real.

Killing Scott off left the series in a real hole. Marsden was someone who could have been resigned for several more movies for considerably less than Hugh Jackman or Halle Berry.

However, Scott without Jean leaves the series also with serious problems.

Scott became one of the most hated characters in all of comics for 1) abandoning his wife and son when Jean returned and 2) cheating on Jean with Emma and then starting a relationship with Emma days after his wife's death.

So, if they introduce Madelyne Pryor or Emma in any sequels and hook them up with Scott, they either can't bring back Jean or they have to make them evil to make Scott not look like the cheating scum he is.

So without Scott and Jean, it's a loose-loose situation and the X-franchise gets locked in a corner.

[JeanGrey12]

regardless of whether it would be logical even in a comic book reality or regardless of if it would be meaningless to die in the x-world,

i just get the feeling that if they continue the series and make an X4, that scott and jean won't be dead.

i mean literally, there is no reason as to why i think that, but i just have the feeling that they don't plan on keeping them dead...

[ntcrawler]

Originally Posted by JeanGrey12

i just get the feeling that if they continue the series and make an X4, that scott and jean won't be dead.

i mean literally, there is no reason as to why i think that, but i just have the feeling that they don't plan on keeping them dead...

No, no I think you're absolutely right with this. Whenever you read a mystery novel or a thriller you want to be sitting at the very edge of your seat, wondering what's going to happen next. You want an ending that makes sense, one that when you look back at the story you realized it was there all along but during the story was not obvious. In other words, it makes sense but you just never saw it coming. We don't get any of that here in X3. The only thing we know is that characters are going to die. I knew Jean was going to die and they made it worse by showing all those ways in which she could have been saved but instead the writers portrayed the team as messing up pretty BADLY.
The point I'm trying to make and one that I agree with you here is that what happens in the movie doesn't feel "right". It's a gut feeling you have inside and one that frankly alot of people also agree with you on this. You know things aren't supposed to turn out the way they did and the fact that they do makes it feel wrong and unnatural. So either that's not really what happened (ie those 2 chars are not "dead"), or the writers messed up badly.

[Mother_Askani]

Dead is dead, that that should apply to the movies as well as the comics.

The current editorial policy at Marvel comics is that no character comes back from the dead without an absolutely necessary reason.

The reason for that is that Jean has died and been resurrected so many times in X-Men comics she might as well change her name to Kenny and join the cast of South Park.

Characters dying and coming back lessens the impact of character deaths. Jean's already died once in the movies. Sure, they can do something like Phoenix wasn't really Jean, but that makes deaths in the movies even more pointless.

Technically, based on what happened in X-Men comics, Jean shouldn't have even died...

In Uncanny X-Men 208, Wolverine stabbed Rachel Summers (Phoenix II) in the lungs and heart, and she survived. (She used her TK to seel the wounds) So, what Wolvie did to Jean in Last Stand should not have killed her, if Rachel could have survived those injuries.

But clearly none of the writers of the X3 read UXM 208 or especially 210 and Ororo's lecture to Logan about what he did to Rachel...

[ntcrawler]

Originally Posted by Mother_Askani

Dead is dead, that that should apply to the movies as well as the comics.

Death should also serve a purpose and be done so that it has an impact on the plot, not to shock the audience or for the sake of drama, especially if it involves well established, heroic characters.

Characters dying and coming back lessens the impact of character deaths. Jean's already died once in the movies. Sure, they can do something like Phoenix wasn't really Jean, but that makes deaths in the movies even more pointless.

Well, her death was completely avoidable and pointless in the first place, so who cares if it's a bit more cheesy? i'd rather have a more fulfilling, open ending than the sense of total doom that was prevalent in X3. Killing off 1/2 the cast in 3 episodes does not give them justice or give them a chance to tell their stories. It also doesn't do well to turn a hero into a monster that needs to be hunte down like she's some kind of zombie or vampire. Where's the dignity?
Speaking of that, Xavier's being transferred to another body, now THAT was silly. Having Jean survive her ordeal would have been more credible than to find out that the man who did this to her got to cheat death and end up in another body. Talk about fate being cruel and unfair.

Technically, based on what happened in X-Men comics, Jean shouldn't have even died...

Agreed.

In Uncanny X-Men 208, Wolverine stabbed Rachel Summers (Phoenix II) in the lungs and heart, and she survived. (She used her TK to seel the wounds) So, what Wolvie did to Jean in Last Stand should not have killed her, if Rachel could have survived those injuries.

Hey, you forgot about X1. Wolverine stabbed Mystique in the gut pretty good and she survived. Long enough to have the paramedics pick her up and she made a full recovery.

But clearly none of the writers of the X3 read UXM 208 or especially 210 and Ororo's lecture to Logan about what he did to Rachel...

That's because they had a checklist of characters that needed to die and they did everything they could think of to kill them, regardless of how absurd the circumstances or pointless the deaths may be.

[AznBABYBANDIT]

Cyclops is gone.

Jean is gone.

They are always together...
in Heven now

[AznBABYBANDIT]

Bump, and he is dead...

Dun Battle me out... It's in the Junior Novel.

Pg 64

"Jean... Do you know where Scott is?: Wolverine Question

"What do you mean?"she replied. The questioned trobled he. She became confused. "Where am I?"

" What Happened to Scott?" Wolverine Demanded

Suddenly, horrifyingimages came crashing back to her. She started to tremble. "Oh, no!" She Shreiked " I couldn't have..."

"Tell me" Wolverine said.

"I killed him" she whispered. "I didn't mean to. But my power... was too much for him."

[ntcrawler]

Originally Posted by AznBABYBANDIT

Bump, and he is dead...

Like Toad said in X1: "Don't you people ever die?"

Scott: "Nope. Don't give up until you find the body" [blasts him away]

Dun Battle me out... It's in the Junior Novel.

Junior novel doesn't count as canon, especially in areas where it contradicts the film, or the official novelization, in both of which Cyclops' fate and Jean's answer are purposely kept vague.

And in the Grail novel (Chapter 10: Phoenix and Chapter 13: Homecoming), Jean came back because she missed Scott and made a promise to never leave him, they had an emotional reunion in Alaska, then they took her back to the Xavier mansion where she received a beautiful, heartfelt welcome by all the staff and students.

It's my offshoot vs your offshoot.

The director admitted it, the writers admitted it, and James Marsden admitted it. Cyclops' fate was purposely kept vague to make it possible to bring him back. Therefore, he's not dead. Case closed.

[AznBABYBANDIT]

Tell me, if everyone revives, then X-Men has no point does it? What is the point when everything can revive and come back alive?

Jean dies
She comes back
Jean dies
She Comes back
Jean dies
She comes back
Jean dies
She Comes back
Jean dies
She comes back
Jean dies
She Comes back
Jean dies
She comes back
Jean dies
She Comes back
Jean dies
She comes back
Jean dies
She Comes back


What will be of X-francise, you shud think outside the fandom of Cyclops

[ntcrawler]

Originally Posted by AznBABYBANDIT

Tell me, if everyone revives, then X-Men has no point does it? What is the point when everything can revive and come back alive?

You're the one that's missing the point. Scott's death was purposely kept vague. To make it possible to come back. Agree with it or not those are the facts. Throwing a tantrum over it won't change those facts. Typing in all upper case won't change the facts.

And no, not everyone can come back alive. Only Jean and those people who were NOT killed, like Scott and Psylocke.

Jean dies
She Comes back

We are talking about Scott here. Not Jean. the above repetitions are pointless. Besides, transcending death is one of Jean's innate abilities. The only way for her to die is if she chooses NOT to come back.

What will be of X-francise, you shud think outside the fandom of Cyclops

The franchise is already in trouble because they ran so many characters into dead ends like this. Hence why they're shifting their attention to spinoffs and prequel storylines.

And you should use a spell checker.

[AznBABYBANDIT]

Yea, I shud, English is not my first language.

[PhoenixGirl]

Bring Cyclops back!

[xii22_loop]

Originally Posted by The Ones

FFS!!!, He calls himself a fanboy? He doesnt know anything about the phoenix saga if thats what he thinks it is.

fanboy or not, he was ORDERED by his employers (THE STUDIO) to write it the way they wanted it done. he was a pawn basically.

[accessecology]

4th of July is here and gone. How did that occur? We only have a little over a month until my female child begins back to preschool. But we’ve only been to the pool 4 times! My countdown ticker on my phone notified me there are only 46 days until we head to Minnesota on our end-of-summer vacation. That’s 6 1/2 weeks!

I gravely have no concept what has occurred to the first half of the summer. We’ve been having joy and doing allotments, but it seems to have passed us by in the blink of an eye. And the summer temps have been so warm, even on my day off each week we are inclined to do things to stay cool instead of heading to the reserve or other outdoor undertakings.

We’ve been to our share of baseball sport so far, and despite the Rockies not precisely playing up to their potential, we’ve still relished us. There’s certain thing to be said for sitting outside on a beautiful summer’s evening enjoying America’s amusement. Violet still relishes it and still will sit still for the whole game, so we’re very fortuitous there. She loves the “Ashonal Manthem” and “Take Me Out to the Ballgame”, and numerous sport I seem like she knows more about the group than many persons sitting around us.

I’m still employed a lot. But I make certain that I have one week day off each week to spend time with her and do things that are joy for us. This year it’s been a couple of baseball sport, a couple of pool journeys, and a few midday meals out. It still not ever seems like quite sufficient.

[jonathancrane]

Umm....I think you posted in the wrong thread.

Returning to topic, I would be happy if Scott was brought back. Jean, on the other hand... I would prefer not.