Iron Man BO thread - Page 4

Manny Calavera · 07-25-2006, 07:16 PM

Iron Man will beat Bond because he's in your favorite comic and because you want a sequel? Wow.

kaijunexus · 07-25-2006, 07:57 PM

Bond is old and tired. People just don't care anymore.

Superhero/Comic-book films haven't even reached their ultimate peak yet.

This is a seriously dumb move on Sony's part.

**Hunter Rider** · 07-25-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kaijunexus

Bond is old and tired. People just don't care anymore.

Superhero/Comic-book films haven't even reached their ultimate peak yet.

This is a seriously dumb move on Sony's part.

Box office clearly shows they peaked with spiderman

Manny Calavera · 07-25-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kaijunexus

Bond is old and tired. People just don't care anymore.

Superhero/Comic-book films haven't even reached their ultimate peak yet.

This is a seriously dumb move on Sony's part.

No, that's actually slightly retarded. Punisher, Hulk, Daredevil, Elektra, Catwoman, etc...they "peaked" a while back. The vast majority of people, unless they grew up watching a cartoon of the character as a kid, don't give a damn about their movie coming out in the summer. If Iron Man, a pretty obscure character (sorry to break this to you guys, but if you aren't Spiderman, Batman, Superman, or an Xman, you're obscure to most everyone on the planet) from a comic book isn't going to beat out a movie icon, period. I'm sorry that you guys like his comic or whatever and really think in your heart of hearts that he'll beat Bond if you really believe or something, but that's just not going to happen. Iron Man will be moved or Iron Man will do very, very badly.

socalsam · 07-25-2006, 08:33 PM

i think bond will change the date and iron man will win

YJ1 · 07-25-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hunter rider

Box office clearly shows they peaked with spiderman

The box office clearly shows that all four Brosnan Bond films averaged $129 million each domestic box office. (518 million total divided by 4)

That places a new era Bond film with a POPULAR actor behind even Hulk totals. Just in the last four years, Marvel itself has had SEVEN movies that have easily beaten that total.

The fact is, Brosnan was a good Bond that the public accepted. Craig is a no-name joke that will be rejected soundly by American movie audiences. Mark my words and fear the numbers.

WTFwuzThT · 07-25-2006, 11:11 PM

If Favreau doesn't **** things up between now and the release date I'm looking for this movie to be big. If the movie holds true to the teaser I think this flick will pull in even non-comic patrons. The Iron Man look is just plain inspired as far as comic movies go. The only other costume that can hold a candle to this is Spider-Man. I firmly believe that if a director can grasp the idea that he doesn't need to reinvent the wheel when it comes to these types of movies then he, and we as fans, will be light years ahead of the game. I hope he continues on his current path cause this is gonna be money.

TheVileOne · 07-26-2006, 01:17 AM

Once again, this is a huge overestimation by the fanboys.

This is like when fanboys stupidly proclaimed that Batman Begins would ANNIHLATE Spider-man's record.

Raiden · 07-26-2006, 03:51 AM

Even though Sony stakes a claim on that date, it may not be set in stone because Casino Royale hasn't been released yet, and there is no telling how well the audience will receive Daniel Craig as the new Bond. Brosnan was a very popular Bond, and his films (despite being mediocre most of the time) raked in the dough for MGM. Although Craig is a good actor, that does not mean his version of Bond will be accepted by Bond enthusiasts.

And let's not forget that only odd-numbered Bond did well at the B.O. (Connery, Moore, Brosnan). The even-numbered ones (Lazenby, Dalton) flamed out early thanks to them having to follow the footsteps of a popular Bond. Craig is Bond #6, and there's a chance that he'll go in the ways of Lazenby and Dalton.

**Hunter Rider** · 07-26-2006, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by YJ1

The box office clearly shows that all four Brosnan Bond films averaged $129 million each domestic box office. (518 million total divided by 4)

That places a new era Bond film with a POPULAR actor behind even Hulk totals. Just in the last four years, Marvel itself has had SEVEN movies that have easily beaten that total.

The fact is, Brosnan was a good Bond that the public accepted. Craig is a no-name joke that will be rejected soundly by American movie audiences. Mark my words and fear the numbers.

A joke because you deem him so not everyone else and also you need to look at the increase in domestic BO for modern era Bond with each movie,the last being the best with $160M domestic
The marvel films you speak of that can boast $160M are big name titles not no name titles like Iron Man

WTFwuzThT · 07-26-2006, 05:44 AM

I'm not sure how big Casino Royale is going to be. I personally am looking for a flop with this one and this Iron Man movie is going to be attrative to non comic people. It looks good so far and Favreau's name doesn't hurt it. It may not do Spidey type numbers but if this continues the way it is it's going to be big no matter who *****es about fanboy this or fanboy that. It sounds like DC people are scared this is gonna chase off Batman.

**Hunter Rider** · 07-26-2006, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WTFwuzThT

I'm not sure how big Casino Royale is going to be. I personally am looking for a flop with this one and this Iron Man movie is going to be attrative to non comic people. It looks good so far and Favreau's name doesn't hurt it. It may not do Spidey type numbers but if this continues the way it is it's going to be big no matter who *****es about fanboy this or fanboy that. It sounds like DC people are scared this is gonna chase off Batman.

I don't give a crap which movie makes the most as i don't get a cut but the fact is logically Iron Man is the underdog with no name recognition and little awareness

The Batman · 07-26-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by WTFwuzThT

It sounds like DC people are scared this is gonna chase off Batman.

Actually....most bat fans probably dont give a crap about iron man. the only time iron mans been mentioned is in a "2008 competition" thread....started by...Advanced Dark.

So, get over yourself. And Batman wasnt mentioned in this thread either.

Ironfan72 · 07-26-2006, 10:03 AM

WOW, whats up with the bitterness and hatred to others here. It is a nice debate about the competetion, for two movies that come out almost 2 years from now, both movies will be fine, if Iron Man moves or if Bond moves, does it really matter in the end.
I'm a huge Iron Man fan and it wouldn't bother me in the least if Iron man moves, what ever, I've waited a long time to see the movie a extra couple weeks will not hurt me, but the unnessary slamming of Iron man and how well known he is, I appreciate the Batman fans passion, but to say that most Batman fans don't give a crap about Iron Man is unnessary, and disrespectiful to the hardcore Iron Man fans who have waited along time for this movie.
Lets show a little more respect for each other, I don't come on other superhero boards and slam them, please don't come here and attack this superhero movie.
Just my 2 cents.

Darthphere · 07-26-2006, 10:05 AM

Ironfan, thats a nice statement, but the ironman fans fired the first shot. Im looking forward to Iron Man and the Bond movies, so I could care less which makes more money as long as I get two good flicks.

Ironfan72 · 07-26-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Darthphere

Ironfan, thats a nice statement, but the ironman fans fired the first shot. Im looking forward to Iron Man and the Bond movies, so I could care less which makes more money as long as I get two good flicks.

I'm looking forward to both films as well, lets just be civil about the debate.

GL's Light · 07-26-2006, 11:19 AM

I'm looking forward to Iron Man a lot more than Bond, but if Casino Royale is a hit then Iron Man will have to move to another release date. If Casino Royale disappoints, then Iron Man can stay put (unless some other behemoth blockbuster comes along and stakes out that release date, too). Simple as that.

Ironman24 · 07-26-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GL's Light

I'm looking forward to Iron Man a lot more than Bond, but if Casino Royale is a hit then Iron Man will have to move to another release date. If Casino Royale disappoints, then Iron Man can stay put (unless some other behemoth blockbuster comes along and stakes out that release date, too). Simple as that.

agreed

WTFwuzThT · 07-26-2006, 03:38 PM

Yeah, after the last bond movie they are going to have to go far and wide to redeem themselves because it sucked some major ass. On the other hand I think this movie is going to have an appeal that goes beyond comic book movies. IF the costume is as advertised then I think people will take notice and I definately think the story is bankable. This movie is in in win win situation at the moment with the first teaser. If it later comes out and it looks like IM is a guy in a trash can with pvc arms and legs then no it's going to flop.

Advanced Dark · 07-26-2006, 03:51 PM

No Bond film has ever had appeal that goes beyond comic book movies. Comic book films if done right appeal to a huge audience including young fans, old fans, action movie fans, etc...James Bond appeal is limited hence no 200 million dollar box office ever. Brosnan will be the peak of popularity for Bond for many years to come. Craig is dull.

**Hunter Rider** · 07-26-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Advanced

Craig is dull.

No that is just your little weapon in this silly debate
No Marvel movie outside the big ones (Spidey 1/2 and X Men 2/3) has made as much in the US as Die Another Day did

COME ON ! · 07-26-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Advanced Dark

No Bond film has ever had appeal that goes beyond comic book movies. Comic book films if done right appeal to a huge audience including young fans, old fans, action movie fans, etc...James Bond appeal is limited hence no 200 million dollar box office ever. Brosnan will be the peak of popularity for Bond for many years to come. Craig is dull.

That's your opinion of Craig. Other people may have a different one. I think the trailer is looking great and i'm really looking forward to Casino Royale. I heard that they are taking the movie in the Bourne direction, with more realism etc, and i'm all for that.

YJ1 · 07-26-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheVileOne

This is like when fanboys stupidly proclaimed that Batman Begins would ANNIHLATE Spider-man's record.

Funny you should mention Spider-Man. A better analogy would be to say that this is similar to people underestimating Spider-Man back in 2002. I remember people saying that kids don't like Spider-Man any more and that Harry Potter and Star Wars would ANNIHLATE him. People were actually claiming that The Sum of All Fears would beat Spider-Man. Both were May releases and both were two weeks removed from Star Wars Ep 2. Sum of All fears featured a well known and successful espionage character based off best selling books and prior hit movies. Sound familiar? Ben Affleck is no Harrison Ford and Daniel Craig is no Pierce Brosnan. While Iron Man is no Spider-Man either, the character and the concept will resonate with many. Keep underestimating Iron Man and keep overestimating Bond. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Darthphere · 07-26-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by YJ1

Funny you should mention Spider-Man. A better analogy would be to say that this is similar to people underestimating Spider-Man back in 2002. I remember people saying that kids don't like Spider-Man any more and that Harry Potter and Star Wars would ANNIHLATE him. People were actually claiming that The Sum of All Fears would beat Spider-Man. Both were May releases and both were two weeks removed from Star Wars Ep 2. Sum of All fears featured a well known and successful espionage character based off best selling books and prior hit movies. Sound familiar? Ben Affleck is no Harrison Ford and Daniel Craig is no Pierce Brosnan. While Iron Man is no Spider-Man either, the character and the concept will resonate with many. Keep underestimating Iron Man and keep overestimating Bond. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Youre the one underestimating Bond, and no one is under esitimating Iron Man.

**Hunter Rider** · 07-26-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by YJ1

Funny you should mention Spider-Man. A better analogy would be to say that this is similar to people underestimating Spider-Man back in 2002. I remember people saying that kids don't like Spider-Man any more and that Harry Potter and Star Wars would ANNIHLATE him. People were actually claiming that The Sum of All Fears would beat Spider-Man. Both were May releases and both were two weeks removed from Star Wars Ep 2. Sum of All fears featured a well known and successful espionage character based off best selling books and prior hit movies. Sound familiar? Ben Affleck is no Harrison Ford and Daniel Craig is no Pierce Brosnan. While Iron Man is no Spider-Man either, the character and the concept will resonate with many. Keep underestimating Iron Man and keep overestimating Bond. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

History shows that no Marvel character outside the big 2 have made as much as Die Another Day,Iron Man is looking for F4 numbers at best for it's first time out

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07-25-2006, 07:16 PM	#76
Manny Calavera Banned User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: El Marrow Posts: 1,435	Re: looks like IRON MAN has some BIG COMPETETION!!!! Iron Man will beat Bond because he's in your favorite comic and because you want a sequel? Wow.

07-25-2006, 07:57 PM	#77
kaijunexus ===---- ゴジラ 2014 ----=== Join Date: May 2006 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,185	Re: looks like IRON MAN has some BIG COMPETETION!!!! Bond is old and tired. People just don't care anymore. Superhero/Comic-book films haven't even reached their ultimate peak yet. This is a seriously dumb move on Sony's part.

07-25-2006, 08:33 PM	#80
socalsam Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: san diego Posts: 46	Re: looks like IRON MAN has some BIG COMPETETION!!!! i think bond will change the date and iron man will win Last edited by socalsam; 07-25-2006 at 08:36 PM.

07-25-2006, 11:11 PM	#82
WTFwuzThT Banned User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 172	Re: looks like IRON MAN has some BIG COMPETETION!!!! If Favreau doesn't **** things up between now and the release date I'm looking for this movie to be big. If the movie holds true to the teaser I think this flick will pull in even non-comic patrons. The Iron Man look is just plain inspired as far as comic movies go. The only other costume that can hold a candle to this is Spider-Man. I firmly believe that if a director can grasp the idea that he doesn't need to reinvent the wheel when it comes to these types of movies then he, and we as fans, will be light years ahead of the game. I hope he continues on his current path cause this is gonna be money.

07-26-2006, 01:17 AM	#83
TheVileOne Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: California Posts: 32,404	Re: looks like IRON MAN has some BIG COMPETETION!!!! Once again, this is a huge overestimation by the fanboys. This is like when fanboys stupidly proclaimed that Batman Begins would ANNIHLATE Spider-man's record. __________________ "This is true. This is real. This . . . Is . . . Straight Edge." - CM Punk

07-26-2006, 03:51 AM	#84
Raiden Start Your Agents... Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 22,394	Re: looks like IRON MAN has some BIG COMPETETION!!!! Even though Sony stakes a claim on that date, it may not be set in stone because Casino Royale hasn't been released yet, and there is no telling how well the audience will receive Daniel Craig as the new Bond. Brosnan was a very popular Bond, and his films (despite being mediocre most of the time) raked in the dough for MGM. Although Craig is a good actor, that does not mean his version of Bond will be accepted by Bond enthusiasts. And let's not forget that only odd-numbered Bond did well at the B.O. (Connery, Moore, Brosnan). The even-numbered ones (Lazenby, Dalton) flamed out early thanks to them having to follow the footsteps of a popular Bond. Craig is Bond #6, and there's a chance that he'll go in the ways of Lazenby and Dalton. __________________ "There are two things that I can’t stand when I go to see a movie based on a comic book: being ignored and being pandered to. Fans are well aware when movies are doing either one." - Joss Whedon

07-26-2006, 05:44 AM	#86
WTFwuzThT Banned User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 172	Re: looks like IRON MAN has some BIG COMPETETION!!!! I'm not sure how big Casino Royale is going to be. I personally am looking for a flop with this one and this Iron Man movie is going to be attrative to non comic people. It looks good so far and Favreau's name doesn't hurt it. It may not do Spidey type numbers but if this continues the way it is it's going to be big no matter who *****es about fanboy this or fanboy that. It sounds like DC people are scared this is gonna chase off Batman.

07-26-2006, 10:03 AM	#89
Ironfan72 Golden Avenger Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Stark International Posts: 2,139	Re: looks like IRON MAN has some BIG COMPETETION!!!! WOW, whats up with the bitterness and hatred to others here. It is a nice debate about the competetion, for two movies that come out almost 2 years from now, both movies will be fine, if Iron Man moves or if Bond moves, does it really matter in the end. I'm a huge Iron Man fan and it wouldn't bother me in the least if Iron man moves, what ever, I've waited a long time to see the movie a extra couple weeks will not hurt me, but the unnessary slamming of Iron man and how well known he is, I appreciate the Batman fans passion, but to say that most Batman fans don't give a crap about Iron Man is unnessary, and disrespectiful to the hardcore Iron Man fans who have waited along time for this movie. Lets show a little more respect for each other, I don't come on other superhero boards and slam them, please don't come here and attack this superhero movie. Just my 2 cents.

07-26-2006, 10:05 AM	#90
Darthphere Kneel before 'Drox! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Phantom Zone Posts: 82,215	Re: looks like IRON MAN has some BIG COMPETETION!!!! Ironfan, thats a nice statement, but the ironman fans fired the first shot. Im looking forward to Iron Man and the Bond movies, so I could care less which makes more money as long as I get two good flicks. __________________ "When I was in college, I was belittling the woman who later become my wife for not knowing who Boba Fett was, and she responded by asking me if I knew who the Prime Minister of Israel was. Surprisingly? Not Mon Mothma."-BKV

07-26-2006, 11:19 AM	#92
GL's Light GL June 17, 2011 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,223	Re: looks like IRON MAN has some BIG COMPETETION!!!! I'm looking forward to Iron Man a lot more than Bond, but if Casino Royale is a hit then Iron Man will have to move to another release date. If Casino Royale disappoints, then Iron Man can stay put (unless some other behemoth blockbuster comes along and stakes out that release date, too). Simple as that. __________________ *Red (Oct 15, DC/WS) Thor (May 6, Marvel) * Priest (May 13, Tokyopop) * X-Men: First Class (Jun 3, Marvel) * Green Lantern (Jun 17, DC) * Captain America: The First Avenger (Jul 22, Marvel)**

07-26-2006, 03:38 PM	#94
WTFwuzThT Banned User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 172	Re: looks like IRON MAN has some BIG COMPETETION!!!! Yeah, after the last bond movie they are going to have to go far and wide to redeem themselves because it sucked some major ass. On the other hand I think this movie is going to have an appeal that goes beyond comic book movies. IF the costume is as advertised then I think people will take notice and I definately think the story is bankable. This movie is in in win win situation at the moment with the first teaser. If it later comes out and it looks like IM is a guy in a trash can with pvc arms and legs then no it's going to flop.

07-26-2006, 03:51 PM	#95
Advanced Dark Banned User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Rock Bottom Posts: 17,593	Re: looks like IRON MAN has some BIG COMPETETION!!!! No Bond film has ever had appeal that goes beyond comic book movies. Comic book films if done right appeal to a huge audience including young fans, old fans, action movie fans, etc...James Bond appeal is limited hence no 200 million dollar box office ever. Brosnan will be the peak of popularity for Bond for many years to come. Craig is dull.

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