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If amything, first class is underrated. It's far superior to MoS.
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First Class is in my top 3 SH movies of all time.

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Do you think it will be easier now that the general audience is more aware of what we'll be getting this time with a Zack Snyder Superman flick?
No, because IMO, the problem isn't getting used to Snyder's approach. The problem is that in MOS, Snyder's approach was flawed.

If B v S were of the same quality as MOS, its not like MOS detractors would go "Oh, I get it now! This is awesome!"

If anything, it could be just like the reaction to ASM2.

Also, I find the idea of MOS being better than First Class extremely laughable.

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If BvS is as good as the majority of the marvel cu films, it will no doubt land with the same rotten score. It has to be far better. It has to somehow be better than Superman Returns even...

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It also would be better served not having a flawed hero like the majority(all) of the mcu films. The same thing that might make those heroes relatable would no doubt work against superman. Not so sure about batman though. If a villain is killed, it would be better if batman did it, looking at film history that is.

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If BvS is as good as the majority of the marvel cu films, it will no doubt land with the same rotten score. It has to be far better. It has to somehow be better than Superman Returns even...

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It also would be better served not having a flawed hero like the majority(all) of the mcu films. The same thing that might make those heroes relatable would no doubt work against superman. Not so sure about batman though. If a villain is killed, it would be better if batman did it, looking at film history that is.
Lol wut? If it's as good as the current Marvel movies it will therefore by default be better than Superman Returns.

I do agree though that since there is a lot of hate towards DC for some reason that it will have to be better than a lot of the Marvel films. That being said I think a lot of their recent films have sucked besides Cap and Avengers. The last Iron man, the last thor both left a bad taste in my mouth that was thankfully cleansed by Captain America.

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I think 'First Class' is better made than MOS in terms of editing, pacing, minimal plot holes, acting, character motivations and logic etc but here's the crazy part: I enjoyed MOS more simply because I love Superman and the themes and concepts within the film appealed to me more.

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What took them so long to credit the guy his credit?

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I think 'First Class' is better made than MOS in terms of editing, pacing, minimal plot holes, acting, character motivations and logic etc but here's the crazy part: I enjoyed MOS more simply because I love Superman and the themes and concepts within the film appealed to me more.
I agree. And it was nice to see Superman fight for once on the big screen and the man that plays superman is PERFECT for the role. So it has that going for it.

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So it seems that secret reveal thing isn't the superman suit after all. I don't appreciate the teasing.

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Lol wut? If it's as good as the current Marvel movies it will therefore by default be better than Superman Returns.

I do agree though that since there is a lot of hate towards DC for some reason that it will have to be better than a lot of the Marvel films. That being said I think a lot of their recent films have sucked besides Cap and Avengers. The last Iron man, the last thor both left a bad taste in my mouth that was thankfully cleansed by Captain America.
I prefer DC to Marvel but I can see why people wouldn't be happy with the way they're handling their cinematic universe. Warner Brothers/DC have made some bad moves:

- They've pushed B v S to 2016. 2015 is the year. So many exciting films coming and B v S should have been right there with 'em.

- Some of the casting decisions have been strange to say the least.

- The title of the sequel is clumsy.

- WB don't have a long term plan and so we get DC movies every 3 or 4 years as opposed to every year like Marvel.

- For every 'Batman Begins' there's a 'Catwoman'. Marvel films are much more consistent in quality and so people feel safe paying for a ticket to see the latest instalment.

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Too bad they kept the deal on for as long as they did
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So it seems that secret reveal thing isn't the superman suit after all. I don't appreciate the teasing.
The Superman suit is right there in the picture, so I did not expect a new suit

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Did they clear it up? What's the reveal?
Not really. It just said check back in a couple days for something that isn't about superman.

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Too bad they kept the deal on for as long as they did
Bill deserved proper appreciation sooner

The Superman suit is right there in the picture, so I did not expect a new suit
They tweeted that the reveal isn't superman related and it's not going to be revealed for a couple of days.

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The Superman suit is right there in the picture, so I did not expect a new suit
There is going to be a new suit. The costume designer said they were tweaking it. Although, that doesn't mean they'll reveal this new one though since it's not totally new.

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I have a feeling it's only going to be for that issue. And I think they are legally bound to not acknowledge Finger as a co-creator.

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Maybe there is a loophole like special thanks to bill finger..

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