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Old 08-24-2003, 04:47 PM   #1
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Angry [raises the Finger]

It's nice that Bob Kane is acknowledged in all comics that Batman appears in. What about Bill Finger? Where's his credit? He did just as much for the character as Kane did and you never see his name in a credits page.

Thank you, Mr. Finger, for fleshing out the thoughts, ideas, and dialogue that helped create the single most popular character in fiction ever.

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Old 08-24-2003, 05:39 PM   #2
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Totally agree, yet what are Finger's exact contributions? Gotham City as we know it for one, right? And the Bruce Wayne persona?

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Totally agree, yet what are Finger's exact contributions? Gotham City as we know it for one, right? And the Bruce Wayne persona?
Also the basic design for Batman. Kane wanted him to wear a domino mask (like Robin) and wear grey and red, with big wings. Finger said that grey and blue would work better, and designed the cowl, etc. That's just the gist of it. Finger and Kane should be credited as cocreators, and Finger does need more credit.

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Old 08-24-2003, 08:01 PM   #5
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Yeah that Wizard article about Finger was quite enlightening. According to them, Kane was a real dick. I'm of the belief that Batman's really a Finger creation. Sure, Kane came up with the concept, but his was really just a Zorro knock-off. Finger added all the important stuff.

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Old 08-24-2003, 08:19 PM   #6
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Has anybody read the Wizard issue that had a huge Bill Finger article in it? It was such a great read and showed what a dick Kane really was.

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Old 08-24-2003, 09:17 PM   #7
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Lets all raise our Fingers in tribute.

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Old 08-24-2003, 09:32 PM   #8
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If someone could post that article, we would all most appreciate it.
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Old 08-24-2003, 09:40 PM   #9
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Yes, please post it, I can't get to a comic shop to get one.

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Old 08-24-2003, 10:13 PM   #10
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what wizard issue was it in? ill try scanning it....

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Old 08-25-2003, 12:35 AM   #11
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just reiterating...it was a great article, Id like to see Finger get the credit he deserves, he died broke...and Kane was a real dick. According to the article us Bat-Fans owe Finger more than anyone else, as it was his original ideas that made Bats what he is [Raises Finger]

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Old 08-25-2003, 12:41 AM   #12
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God, I used to say "God bless you Kane" for creating Batman. Then, I realized the truth...

Sure, I knew Bill was a writer, but i never knew he created basically everything I love about Batman. All Bob really did is create the name and Bruce Wayne. But Bill shaped it, and he got nothing in the end.

Bob ripped off a lot a people. and everytime I see that "Created BY" byline, I get pissed off.

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Old 08-25-2003, 12:56 AM   #13
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I've been inspired to change my sig. Spread the word and continue raising the Finger!

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Old 08-25-2003, 01:31 AM   #14
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I wonder which one of there ideas the Joker originally was...I know he was based off the main character from the silent film The Man Who Laughs (who's face was carved into a permanent smile)...but I wonder which of them said "hey, that would be an interesting look for a villain"

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Old 08-25-2003, 02:05 AM   #15
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Actually Monstera I think Bill Finger is responsible for your avatar.

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Oh yeah if anyones interested check Wizard 134 for the article.

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Old 08-25-2003, 04:42 AM   #17
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Consider me most enlightened. Please post any Finger info on the Web you can find, guys. This thread could be like the Finger database.

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Old 08-25-2003, 06:30 AM   #18
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First result on a google search: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/8580/billfing.html . I'll post more stuff that we may not already know about if I find it.

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There's a Silver Age Green Lantern villain called William Hand. A tribute to Bill Finger.

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if these are too small (which they probably are or will be) im gonna type them out....

if anyone knows how to make the pics big on picturedot, tell me....

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I could read it just fine. Thanks for the scan, Akut!

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theres a whole lot more, but i tried them out and ya cant read the print....does anyone know how to get pics bigger?

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For more golden age Batman info, check out this site. http://www.goldenagebatman.com/gabathistory.html By the way, in the honor of Bill Finger, I just typed this post hunting and pecking with the Finger. (Raises the Finger.)I also found this at www.collectortimes.com.Batman's unaccredited co-creator: Bill Finger
Bob Kane is known as Batmans creator. But is the Batman that you see wearing only wearing bright red costume, stiff black bat wings attached to his arms, a black domino (Robin style) mask? That was the Batman that Bob Kane created. It's Bill Fingers Batman that you know today.

William Finger was born February 8, 1914, in New York City. He attended a DeWitt Clinton High School, the same as Robert (Bob) Kane. The two never met as students as Bill Finger was a couple of grades ahead of Bob Kane. The two would meet later when Bill was a shoe salesman. The two had a mutual love of newspaper strips and comics. They read characters like The Shadow and Doc Savage. Kane and Finger would work together and create "Rusty and His Pals", a kid strip and later "Clip Carson", a world traveling adventurer.

In 1938, Superman would create a boom in the comic industry and DC would go looking for another hero. Bob Kane would come up with a character called The Batman. After creating this character he phone up Bill Finger, and showed him the sketch of the Batman. Finger felt the character looked too much like Superman and suggested some changes.

"I got Webster's Dictionary off the shelf and was hoping they had a drawing of a bat, and sure enough it did. I said, 'notice the ears, why don't we duplicate the ears?' I suggested he draw what looked like a cowl... I had suggested he bring the nosepiece down and make him mysterious and not show any eyes at all... I didn't like the wings, so I suggested he make a cape and scallop the edges so it would flow out behind him when he ran and would look like bat wings. He didn't have any gloves on. We gave him gloves because naturally he'd leave fingerprints."

Bill Finger also wrote some of the early Batman stories. In doing so, he created the personality of Batman and turned him into a great detective. "My idea was to have Batman be a combination of Douglas Fairbanks, Sherlock Holmes, The Shadow, and Doc Savage as well."

Finger went on to give Batmans alter ego the name of Bruce Wayne, and later named his sidekick Robin (Dick Grayson). He named Batmans hometown Gotham City, and contributed in the creation of many of Batmans villains. The Cat-woman, Penguin, Riddler, Two-Face, and Clay-Face were among them. While Bill Finger didn't create the Joker, he did write the first Joker issue in Batman #1.

Bill Finger really enjoyed mystery novels. He would often use that style of story in the Batman comics. He would also use giant props in the stories because they were good visuals for the readers. He often did the research that artist usually does for the prop scenes. He was very good in writing them, the artist didn't have to guess what was going on.

But throughout his career Bill always had a problem meeting deadlines. He once delivered a first page of a script stapled to a bunch of blank pages in order to get paid early.

Bill has worked on much more than just Batman, he created the original versions of Green Lantern and Wildcat with artist Irwin Hansen. He also went on to work on Superman, Superboy, Wonder Woman, Flash, Atom, Challengers of the Unknown, Tomahawk, and many others. He at one time worked for Marvel Comics and wrote Captain America and the All Winners Squad. Bill also did some work outside of comic books. He co-wrote the 1969 film "The Green Slime" and wrote for many Warner Brothers TV detective series of the 60's. Some included 77 sunset Strip, Hawaiian Eye, and The Roaring Twenties.

Also during the 60's Bill was one of the long time creators that DC fired when they asked for some health benefits. He later went back to work for DC in the 70's and wrote some a few mystery stories, he then died in 1974.


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Thanks for the above guys, the links (and article) give great insight to what really went on.
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