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Of course without nasty stuff I mean the way Spacey's character talks and acts to Batman that suit Nolan's Riddler.
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So Carrey missed the mark with the character. Which didn't happen with Nicholson. |
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Plus, some of the lines fitted Joker perfectly - such as Doe talking about what he was 'before' and how he 'had never been exceptional.' Quote:
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Although I appreciate what Keaton, Burton, and Nicholson, did on a whole with Batman 89, I have never really loved it. I think Nicholsons best scenes were the ones where he breaks the mirror after seeing he's now the Joker and the beginning scenes where he is a hitman.
But then again i understand that he was playing quite a different character then what we see in modern day joker comics, as a poster said above. |
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I never liked Tim Burton's Batman except what stood out for me was the score. Yet I can appreciate that Nicholson's performance made the Joker an unforgettable and impressive villain but I would have favored more scenes of Bruce Wayne than him to give our hero a much fuller plate.
Nicholson's laughing and ranting really got tiresome. So I wish Ledger a lot of luck. |
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In the first story, his voice was described as toneless. But, fair enough, he does lose his **** when things don't go his way.
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She referenced the Joker's first appearances, which seem very much that way. Remember, the character has evolved over time, and like Batman, not always for the better.
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One's opinion on wether or not he nailed it depends entirely on one's perception of what the Joker is. There is no right or wrong answer.
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I've thought about this question after watching the movie somewhat recently, and I came to the conclusion that Jack was incredibly fun to watch in Batman and he did a great job and gave a somewhat unforgetable performance. It's a ball to watch! But on the whole I never really cared about the pre-Batman Begins Batman movies. The score was awesome but over all they are meh too bad movies that miscast Batman two out of four times. I love the amimated Joker the best and think that he's more jokery, but you got to give Jack huge props for crating a great fun character.
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![]() And I didn't remember the exact wording of that article - that "full-on" Joker comment - but that is a damn good point, on your part. ![]()
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Another thing is something I like to call character development. If Joker is a static character, where's the story? He needs to evolve over the course of the story. He and Batman must have an effect on each other. Hell, even in Batman '89, Nicholson's Joker got nuttier as Batman continued to mess up his plans. I just think that Ledger's Joker should have a more noticeable shift. From the more calculated madman, to the full-on freakjob. Quote:
That also, if you think about it, goes with Ledger's comment about Joker being like a car-crash that doesn't end or whatever it was he said.
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And as far as anything '89 Batman movie goes . . . I couldn't help but feel that the segments of the movie without Batman and the Joker in it were as bland and pointless as the Joker's "New asthetic" . I strongly feel that Jack did not nail the Joker but I don't blame that entirely on Jack. In both Batman and Returns (<-even more so) Burton was too focused on his "own vission' of Batman and his rogues to really worry about true character development. Both movies were made up of a few hero villain scenes and some pointless Gotham stuff. Which is why Begins was a better movie for me. Nothing was pointless in Begins. Everything had a purpose. btw, love the new avi. Wacko and Pinky are my homiez!
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For me, it's not my favorite interpretation, but it's as valid as any other. I certainly do prefer Nolan's film, because it comes closer to the tone of the Batman stories that I love. ![]() I think the dealbreaker is probably Returns, for most of us. I think the story of '89 makes pretty good sense, but Returns is pretty silly, plot-wise. I have never gotten over Penguin getting the blueprints for the Batmobile. I don't know how that would even be possible. It just felt cheap and easy. And Penguin was so... unlike the Penguin from the comics, too, it was a little distressing. When I was 12 I thought '89 seemed pretty realistic, so I was very surprised by Returns. I've read Sam Hamm's original script for Returns, and it's quite a bit better. Oddly it includes some things that the Batchlers recycled into Batman Forever, and some things that seem to have made their was into TAS as well. Quote:
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I thought he didn't nail Joker either... I felt as if I was watching him play as the Joker instead of developing the character and actually becoming the Joker. That's why I'm hoping Ledger does a lot of extensive study on the Joker before he starts.
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