The TIH & TDK Effect: A Civil Debate

[matrix_ghost]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Nolan is one my top three favorite directors, the others being Michael Mann and Oliver Stone. That being said, he is all wrong for Superman. Nolan loves doing gritty, dark, compelling psychological thrillers. He's perfect for Batman, all wrong for Supes. Besides, he hates Superman.

Seriously ??

Haha , now that is funny

[Visionary]

Neither Nolan or Singer are good enough for a Superman film, I'd say Ridley Scott.

[matthooper]

Neither one!

[ultimatefan]

Does Nolan even like Superman? Plus he´s busy with tons of projects, including the Batman sequels, the remake of The Prisioner, etc. The sequel will be directed by Singer. Live with it.

[batman44]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Nolan is one my top three favorite directors, the others being Michael Mann and Oliver Stone. That being said, he is all wrong for Superman. Nolan loves doing gritty, dark, compelling psychological thrillers. He's perfect for Batman, all wrong for Supes. Besides, he hates Superman.

prove it

[dark_b]

Originally Posted by I Am The Knight

No, he would have Superman flying a plane because aliens and people flying don't exist in the real world Seriously, I don't think he's suited for Superman. I would rather have Peter Jackson or Singer of course.

the difference is that batman has no superpowers and a lot of hes villains ar normal humans. so nolan thought that he could live in a ''real'' world. but that doesnt mean that nolan wants always everything realistic in hes movie.

[matthooper]

Originally Posted by ultimatefan

etc. The sequel will be directed by Singer. Live with it.

That is the sad but true fact. Superman Returns wasn't as much as a dissapointment as say Hulk, which is getting a new spin and new director. Unfortunately, although a dissapointment, SR made just enough money to save Singer's job.

Incidentally, Hulk made 62 million in it's opening weekend and Superman Returns made 52 million.

[The Kid]

Hulk should have been released in 3D Imax too.

I still hope the execs can him. After nearly three decades Superman NEEDS someone with more modern sensibilities behind it.

Setting aside that Singer's version of superman fundamentally is rubbish with all his angst and childish behavior in the film, it's really stupid to have made it a vague sequel, basically intending to have the audience ignore all the plot holes and inconsistencies with the movies it borrows everything from. Just dumb. No one knows what to think it's a sequel to, not even singer and his crew. How stupid is this crap?

Superman deserved a billion times better than this. No, I'm not saying if you're on your knees in love with singer's movie that that's wrong or that as bosef would say "pathetic". Unlike that guy who probably works for WB, I can respect someone's right to have a different opinion than mine. I'm just confused with a side of dissapointment... after all these years superman basically gets the batman forever treatment. Woo hoo...

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by batman44

prove it

First of all, that was really a joke. Second, go screw yourself. Third, Nolan is all wrong for Superman. Fourth, go screw yourself again.

[Eros]

Yea nolan first and for most only did a batman movie, becasue he really liked the fact the character had no powers, and his villians were insane. Nolan like realism alright, but he also does like some fantastical elements. But just becasue he did a good job with a batman movie, does not mean he would do a great job with a superman movie. Singer was a huge fan[as opposed to Nolan who is not] of superman [movies anyway] but some people felt he didn't do a amazing job with Returns.

[NotFadeAway]

I vote for a Venom re-imagining!

Im ready to go right now, I got a script, casting idea's, Ill shoot the film around a budget of $125 million give or take, hit me up Wrner Brothers it's not like you won't know who I am soon enough Im coming for your ass Alan Horn.

[FCEEVIPER]

Singer.

[Excel]

ummm.... no. nolans realistic views would be horrible for superman.

[batman44]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

First of all, that was really a joke. Second, go screw yourself. Third, Nolan is all wrong for Superman. Fourth, go screw yourself again.

Umm No, not that kind of person

[The Sage]

Continue with Singer. I don't think Nolan's style lends itself to Superman's world.

[DavidTyler]

Nolan would not have a problem w/Superman's fantastic elements. The thing that I think would work against Nolan is that he loves to work in flashbacks. Batman's whole life is about the flashbacks - so that works for that character. Superman is about where he's going instead of where he's been.

I'm not in favour of Singer, however. In fact, he's proven that he's less qualified to do a Superman film than half the posters here.

[Venom71]

Originally Posted by DavidTyler

Nolan would not have a problem w/Superman's fantastic elements. The thing that I think would work against Nolan is that he loves to work in flashbacks. Batman's whole life is about the flashbacks - so that works for that character. Superman is about where he's going instead of where he's been.

I'm not in favour of Singer, however. In fact, he's proven that he's less qualified to do a Superman film than half the posters here.

Opinion...not fact....I keep seeing posters saying they can do a better job..lets see it...get your Superman movie out there before Singer's sequel.....prove you can do better.

[patrickbateman]

But are the fans out there ready to accept a donner less vision? Let say for example my humble attempt at tying to re imagine superman. I’m 100% sure you guys would give it a below 5 rating For various reasons. lets however try to work together and see if we can do better than the big wigs out there.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...4#post10256274

I tried to stay true to most of the original theme At the same time making it fresh for the general audience out there... sure I didn’t have the guy bang on Lois and having a kid and all but have I included more than Bryan singer’s movie hell yeah.

[Venom71]

Originally Posted by patrickbateman

But are the fans out there ready to accept a donner less vision? Let say for example my humble attempt at tying to re imagine superman. I’m 100% sure you guys would give it a below 5 rating lets trying working together and see if we can do better than the big wigs out there.

Thats a good point....no matter who directs, writes, stars..etc the fanbase are never going to agree 100 %.

[KaptainKrypton]

Originally Posted by Venom71

Thats a good point....no matter who directs, writes, stars..etc the fanbase are never going to agree 100 %.

That's very true. For a lot of us geeks on here (especially me) Superman is an integral part of what we are, and probably has been since childhood (it has for me). He's kind of like a "Fifth Beattle" to me, in some ways. When something I like is done with him, I'm happy. On the flipside, if it's not? I'm Super-pissed.

[zanos]

Neither. Both directors are lacking in some area or another to make a proper comic book adaptation.

[xwolverine2]

neither........ but def. not singer again

so i voted nolan... just because batman begins was better than SR

[DavidTyler]

Originally Posted by Venom71

Opinion...not fact....I keep seeing posters saying they can do a better job..lets see it...get your Superman movie out there before Singer's sequel.....prove you can do better.

You get me the funding and the bet is on.

I KNOW I could make a better Superman movie. One that would satisfy all sides of the debate here.

So many of you are Hollywood zombies that almost anything they put out will become canon to you. I would go back to source and use as much current info as possible while still throwing a bone in to some of the other sources.

I'd let you keep Donner's fortress but not his Krypton. I'd let you keep crystals but not a crystaline Krypton. Jimmy would be an average 20 something instead of nerdy left-over from the 1930's with a 'man-crush' on Clark. Clark would no longer be a nebbish. He would just be a quiet, unassuming guy with a rep for being a good, inquisitive reporter.

Lois would be intelligent with a lot of guts. No ciggie smoking neurotic.

Perry would be that great bear of a man that he's been almost since his creation.

Luthor would be the corporate shark with Mercy at his side - and wouldn't be the main threat.

The first film would involve a massive, non-terrestrial threat like Darksied, Brainiac, or Mongul.

I would do the treatment but bring in Denny O'Neil or Roger Stern, or even Waid to do the script. Waid I'd have to make clear that he's not to alter concepts and stick with the interpretation of character that's laid out to him.

But, It's all up to you, Venny - YOU get me the funding and I'll do the rest.

[Venom71]

Originally Posted by DavidTyler

You get me the funding and the bet is on.

I KNOW I could make a better Superman movie. One that would satisfy all sides of the debate here.

So many of you are Hollywood zombies that almost anything they put out will become canon to you. I would go back to source and use as much current info as possible while still throwing a bone in to some of the other sources.

I'd let you keep Donner's fortress but not his Krypton. I'd let you keep crystals but not a crystaline Krypton. Jimmy would be an average 20 something instead of nerdy left-over from the 1930's with a 'man-crush' on Clark. Clark would no longer be a nebbish. He would just be a quiet, unassuming guy with a rep for being a good, inquisitive reporter.

Lois would be intelligent with a lot of guts. No ciggie smoking neurotic.

Perry would be that great bear of a man that he's been almost since his creation.

Luthor would be the corporate shark with Mercy at his side - and wouldn't be the main threat.

The first film would involve a massive, non-terrestrial threat like Darksied,Brainiac, or Mongul.

I would do the treatment but bring in Denny O'Neil or Roger Stern, or even Waid to do the script. Waid I'd have to make clear that he's not to alter concepts and stick with the interpretation of character that's laid out to him.

But, It's all up to you, Venny - YOU get me the funding and I'll do the rest.

I've never said I could make a better movie..I just put the challenge out there...you say you can do it..come up with the money and do it...you talk a good game but I knew when I put the chalage out there it would be..well I don't have the money for that kind of thing...but I know I can do better. I am already unimpressed with some of what you are suggesting (See Items In Bold)

[Visionary]

Unimpressed with Darksied as a main villain, you've got to be kiddin,' that would kick muti-cultural asses. In fact, if DavidTyler ideas were set forth in Superman Returns, it would have made for a better movie.