Level 33.1 and the Justice League

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Okay, so. I had an idea today. Figured I'd run it by you guys.

A lot of us here remember Jinx, perhaps if only because it was a terrible episode that raped a beloved character from the comics. Now, at the end of that episode, after Mxy has lost his powers, Lex takes him somewhere mysterious. Somewhere known only as "Level 33.1."

And that was the last we saw of it. According to the creators, it was abandoned because it was, perhaps, too unrealistic.

Personally, I always thought that Lex was collecting young people with super-powers and training them.

Anyway, we all know that by the eleventh episode of this season (Justice), we'll have Clark, Olliver, Bart, AC, Victor, and possibly that chick from Vengeance together as a sort of makeshift Justice League.

Personally, I think this is a perfect opportunity to re-introduce Level 33.1 and finally wrap up that plotline once and for all.

Imagine it - say by 6x11, Lex has some reason to have a beef against Ollie. Or, maybe he hears that AC is back in town and wants a little revenge. So he sends in a few super-powered lackeys from Level 33.1 to take care of business. Little does Lex know, however, that AC and Ollie have backup in the way of Clark and Victor. A big super-brawl ensues, and the young Super-friends win.

Now, I know this'll never happen and it's probably too much to hope for, but I just had this thought, thought it would be really cool if it happened, and decided to share it with you guys. Thoughts?

[Serene]

Originally Posted by Lt. Figgnuts

Okay, so. I had an idea today. Figured I'd run it by you guys.

A lot of us here remember Jinx, perhaps if only because it was a terrible episode that raped a beloved character from the comics.

Well you aren't going to get universal agreement about that. I really liked Jinx. I think that episode has been debated an awful lot though.

Now, at the end of that episode, after Mxy has lost his powers, Lex takes him somewhere mysterious. Somewhere known only as "Level 33.1."

And that was the last we saw of it. According to the creators, it was abandoned because it was, perhaps, too unrealistic.

Personally, I always thought that Lex was collecting young people with super-powers and training them.

If you consider the Vengeance Chronicles (is that what they were called?) as canon.. then they did run a plotline just like that. And they ended it.

If you don't consider it canon.. then it's just another dead-end plotline. The whole 33.1 thing never really bothered me as much as it does some people.

Anyway, we all know that by the eleventh episode of this season (Justice), we'll have Clark, Olliver, Bart, AC, Victor, and possibly that chick from Vengeance together as a sort of makeshift Justice League.

Personally, I think this is a perfect opportunity to re-introduce Level 33.1 and finally wrap up that plotline once and for all.

Now that they've addressed it in the Vengeance Chronicles segments, I doubt they'd rewrite their own canon about it.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Originally Posted by Serene

Well you aren't going to get universal agreement about that. I really liked Jinx. I think that episode has been debated an awful lot though.

It wouldn't have been so bad if they had named the character something else...but they were trying to get in a "nod" to the fans with a character who didn't even resemble his namesake. I'm willing to deal with a lot of changes, but if you're going to completely change a character and his powers, you might as well be Brett Rattner making X3.

If you consider the Vengeance Chronicles (is that what they were called?) as canon.. then they did run a plotline just like that. And they ended it.

If you don't consider it canon.. then it's just another dead-end plotline. The whole 33.1 thing never really bothered me as much as it does some people.

Well, I'm not sayhing 33.1 is a storyline that needs addressing - the show has certainly proven itself able to get along without it. And even if the Vengeance Chronicles did do some stuff with it (I haven't seen it yet), that's not really the same as doing addressing it on the show (which IMO supercedes anything else as far as canon goes). There are plenty of ways a writer could explain it so that they both tied in to 33.1 without having to rewrite canon.

I just thought it was a pretty decent idea, and it's pretty much a built-in way for the faux Justice League to battle a faux Legion of Doom. And really, how cool would that be?

[Descendant]

I thought Jinx was a great episode! And I do think they should resolve Level 33.1 story.

[NHawk19]

OK it's early I'm blanking what are the Vengence Chronicals Rene?

I do know that verizon (I think) promo had Mxy leaving the floor in one of the text messages, that may have been their idea of wrapping it up. IMHO if they start closing some of the gaps I think they ought to start with the Stones.

[RakuMon]

The Vengeance Chronicles were a series of webisodes sponsored by Acuvue after the episode "Vengeance" aired. They're also available in their entirety on Disc 4 of the Season 5 set. They were essentially like the Chloe Chronicles from a few seasons back.

As far as canon goes, I'm pretty sure anything involving the actual stars of the show is considered "canon." Unlike, say, the comics or the novels.

[Brainiac 8]

Fignutts, I loved Jinx. I thought it was one of the better episodes of season four. Just like Spell though, Jinx is very highly debated, people could go either way on how they felt about it.

I liked it though.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Originally Posted by Brainiac 8

Fignutts, I loved Jinx. I thought it was one of the better episodes of season four. Just like Spell though, Jinx is very highly debated, people could go either way on how they felt about it.

I liked it though.

Like I said, I think I would have liked it a lot better if they hadn't named the character "Mxy." He had little-to-no relation to the character from the comics and the abilities weren't even the same. If he'd had some other name, it would have been a much better episode. But the fact that they forced in a comic reference left a really sour taste in my mouth...

[Kaboom]

yea, they should have hired verne troyer in a white wig to play the chracter, that would have made it soooooooooooo much better.

[Brainiac 8]

Originally Posted by Lt. Figgnuts

Like I said, I think I would have liked it a lot better if they hadn't named the character "Mxy." He had little-to-no relation to the character from the comics and the abilities weren't even the same. If he'd had some other name, it would have been a much better episode. But the fact that they forced in a comic reference left a really sour taste in my mouth...

My dad thought the same thing, that he shouldn't have been named that. It didn't bother me though, since Mxy can do or be anything, so he could have been the same guy, just not showing who or what he really was...since we know that is for later in Supes life.

[Brainiac 8]

Originally Posted by Kaboom

yea, they should have hired verne troyer in a white wig to play the chracter, that would have made it soooooooooooo much better.

LOL Kaboom.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I suppose that's a possibility. I just wish they would have at least done more with him than just make him able to "jinx" people.

It's a decent episode as far as FOTW episodes go, and IMO if the character had just had a different name it would have been one of the better FOTW's, but the name is just one of my pet peeves I guess.

Oh well. I didn't start the thread to talk about Jinx, though. :P What did y'all think of the idea?

[Brainiac 8]

I'll watch the Vengeance Chronicles tonight, then I'll come back and give my input. I don't know how much they cover from the 33.1 story.

[avidreader]

In the Vengeance Chronicles they say that Lex shut down Level 33.1 during the election campaign of Season 5. And if you take into account the freaks from Mortal that were given little green cocktails and were suddenly cut off and shipped back to Belle Reve, then I think you can say that its definitely a closed story.

But I do like the idea of perhaps Lex having kept "the best of them" and training them to do his dirty work.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Originally Posted by avidreader

But I do like the idea of perhaps Lex having kept "the best of them" and training them to do his dirty work.

See, even if it's not 33.1, I still think something like that would be really good for this season - not only because of the Justice League, but also because this is the season we're supposed to see Lex fully embrace his dark side. I think Lex utilizing meta-humans to take out people he percieves as threats would be a perfect way to show that and at the same time give us a full-out superhuman brawl.

[avidreader]

^^^^ I think the episode Cyborg showed us that Lex is thinking this way.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I haven't seen that one yet, but I figured that it was something along those lines since Jinx. I'd love to see him send some baddies after AC or somebody and "bwahaha" it up until he finds out the Mini-Justice League kicked its ass.

[avidreader]

Originally Posted by Lt. Figgnuts

I haven't seen that one yet, but I figured that it was something along those lines since Jinx. I'd love to see him send some baddies after AC or somebody and "bwahaha" it up until he finds out the Mini-Justice League kicked its ass.

Cyborg is one of my favourites from Season 5. It was a really well put together episode and showed us a side of Lex Luthor that we would expect of him.

And Clark has a line to Lex "you always think the end justifies the means".

It's so WHY their relationship fails.

[NHawk19]

clearly I need to netflix season 5 if only for the vengeance chronicles

[triplet]

Originally Posted by Lt. Figgnuts

I haven't seen that one yet, but I figured that it was something along those lines since Jinx. I'd love to see him send some baddies after AC or somebody and "bwahaha" it up until he finds out the Mini-Justice League kicked its ass.

Oh, Cyborg is an excellent episode.

I agree with Avid:

It was one of the better ones from last season and a new writer (Caroline Dries) and a new director (Glen Winter, usually a cinematographer on the show) both did excellent work. And the guest star that played Victor was terrific.

It was beatifully shot, wonderfully acted and exciting and I really liked the hints at why Clark and Lex will have their final rift, like avid pointed out.

[Serene]

Originally Posted by NHawk19

clearly I need to netflix season 5 if only for the vengeance chronicles

But then you won't see the bonus disc on the making of Reckoning. I really enjoyed the behind-the-scenes look at the show. I think it's still available online.. somewhere though.

[Brainiac 8]

Originally Posted by triplet

Oh, Cyborg is an excellent episode.

I agree with Avid:

It was one of the better ones from last season and a new writer (Caroline Dries) and a new director (Glen Winter, usually a cinematographer on the show) both did excellent work. And the guest star that played Victor was terrific.

It was beatifully shot, wonderfully acted and exciting and I really liked the hints at why Clark and Lex will have their final rift, like avid pointed out.

The guy who played Victor/Cyborg was a wonderful actor, much better than some of the ones we see on the show.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Originally Posted by Brainiac 8

The guy who played Victor/Cyborg was a wonderful actor, much better than some of the ones we see on the show.

The famous Jet Jackson.

[avidreader]

Originally Posted by triplet

It was one of the better ones from last season and a new writer (Caroline Dries) and a new director (Glen Winter, usually a cinematographer on the show) both did excellent work. And the guest star that played Victor was terrific.

It was beatifully shot, wonderfully acted and exciting and I really liked the hints at why Clark and Lex will have their final rift, like avid pointed out.

I watched that episode again last night. It was the only one I hadnt seen on the new disc set.

I agree with you that the actor who played Victor was really terrific. The only thing wrong with that episode was that you can tell that Tom was not feeling at all well. You can especially see how pale he is in that first scene he has with Victor outside of the hospital.

[Kaboom]

Originally Posted by avidreader

I watched that episode again last night. It was the only one I hadnt seen on the new disc set.

I agree with you that the actor who played Victor was really terrific. The only thing wrong with that episode was that you can tell that Tom was not feeling at all well. You can especially see how pale he is in that first scene he has with Victor outside of the hospital.

my fav scene from that ep was the jump.