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BRACKET 3,

Match 1:

Demogoblin (HIPPY FASCIST) bio



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Match 2:

Professor Power (PHAEDRUS45) bio



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BRACKET 4,

Match 1:

Blink - Exiles (HELLSTORMER) bio



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Fenris (AHURA MAZDA) bio




Match 2:

Mr. Hyde (HARLEKIN) bio



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BRACKET 4,

Match 1:

Blink - Exiles (HELLSTORMER) bio



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Hello to all....

First of all, let me give a little background on Fenris. He is an Asgardian monster destined to eat Odin. He is invulnerable and strong enough to go toe to toe with Thor. He can shape-shift into any form or grow to any size as well even though his favourites are his humanoid wolf form and his gigantic wolf form. In his humanoid wolf form he has a hammer forged by Surtur in the shape of a Tooth. Ok so obviously in a fistfight Blink stands no hope of surviving…..but then again Blink is unlikely to go toe to toe with an Asgardian monster.

Now even though Blink has extensive teleportation powers and she has a good mastery over these powers, she would not be able to defeat a monster that puts the fear in all the Asgardian’s hearts. This creature is invulnerable and immensely strong, plus he has a hammer which could create a shield to prevent anything happening or hitting him....and by anything I mean

The way I see this fight going is either Fenris blasts Blink using his hammer or uses an Area of Effect attack destroying the whole area they are in. Or Fenris could just grow to a size to take up the whole of the blue moon area crushing her as she could not teleport herself into space not being able to breathe there.

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LOCATION REMINDER:

This week's battles take place on the Blue Area of the Moon.

An artificial, self-sustaining Earthlike environment on the far side of The Moon, the Blue Area was created roughly 100,000 years ago as part of a competition between two alien races, the Kree and the Cotati. The Skrulls moderated this contest, whose goal was to determine the worthiness of both races by discovering which could create a more suitable habitation. The Skrulls changed later on, becoming warmongers. The Cotati won the contest by creating a long-term sustainable ecosystem, but the Kree angrily rebelled and overthrew the Skrulls, stole their starship, and initiated the millennia-long conflict now known as the Kree-Skrull War.
Its Role in Storylines
The Blue Area has played a pivotal role in many events of the Marvel Universe. It was the site of the first battle between the Fantastic Four and the Red Ghost. It is also the home of Uatu the Watcher. For many years, it was the location of Attilan, home city of the Inhumans. But it is perhaps best known as the site of the epic ending to the Dark Phoenix Saga, where, to prevent herself from endangering any more lives, Jean Grey committed suicide.
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Professor Power vs. Kraven the Hunter:

This is not so much a match as it is a slaughter. First, Kraven wears not much more than animal fur (and very tacky animal fur, at that), which Professor Power uses a "battlesuit" that is "an armored, man-amplifying, powered exoskeleton primarily made of a high-carbon tool alloy formed into a chain mail structure that combines flexibility with maximum protection. Weighing 375 pounds, the battlesuit was able to withstand the detonation of 75 pounds of TNT at a distance of 20 feet." Obviously, anything that Kraven would normally use in capturing his prey wouldn't be enough to take down Professor Power. Plus, Kraven is used to hunting his prey...not for his prey to be hunting him too.

In addition to being able to have weapons in his suit, it was also "equipped with twin electrically powered, very high speed turbines which compressed incoming air to a high pressure and temperature and used a fine spray of J-4 jet fuel to cause self-igniting combustion. Both engines developed sufficient thrust to allow Professor Power to fly at speeds of up to 150 miles per hour and to reach a maximum height of about 500 feet." Kraven would have a difficult time capturing Professor Power, especially since Professor Power could locate Kraven from the air.

Finally, another good biography on Professor Power can be found here:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/p...orpowerdef.htm

In it, it states that Professor Power now has "the ability to maintain his mind as an astral presence." This further shows how Kraven's ability to hunt him would be very limited.

Finally, the environment of the Blue Area of the Moon works to Professor Power's advantage way more than Kraven's. PP would know how to use the advanced technology from The Inhumans, Kree or Uatu to his furthest potential; while, Kraven would just wish he took a course at ITT at some time in this life.

Winner: Professor Power

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Demogoblin vs. Yellow Claw:

Definitely my toughest match this week; but, in my estimation, one that Yellow Claw would pull out the victory. This match is all about location, experience, and knowledge. As the various bios on Yellow Claw state, he's a "criminal mastermind ... born over one hundred and fifty years ago in mainland China. A genius in biochemistry," he has the knowledge and experience to learn about his opponent and use his lack of experience against him.

Since Yellow Claw is going up against a demon, his past dealings with the supernatural will be his advantage. As his bio also states, "The Yellow Claw has superhuman psychic abilities with which he can influence another person's sensory perceptions, causing that Person to see, hear, and even feel the illusions the Claw projects into his or her mind.
The Yellow Claw has considerable knowledge of sorcery, and has even proved able to reanimate the dead." It would be my estimation that a demon wouldn't be too well trained in dealing with a psychic who can influence his perceptions. And, with Yellow Claws knowledge of sorcery, he's probably be able to send Demogoblin right back where he came from.

This will be a match of shadows and deceipt. It's too bad Demogoblin's stench and flames will give him away. Yellow Claw's psychic training will easily keep him hidden, until he can use his sorcery to banish this demon. And, it is with Sorcery he would probably defeat this goblin...but, it's not his only means. He is a master in biochemisty, and has a variety of weapons, including one that "can weaken a person's will with his 'id paralyzer.'"

Winner: Yellow Claw


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Kraven the Hunter schools Professor Power



Ok, Kraven is the clear underdog really. Professor Power's suit pretty much outclasses every weapon Kraven might have. But Kraven has a shot, and hes going to take it.

Professor Power's exoskeleton suit allows him to withstand a 75 ton TNT detonation. Weighs 375 punds, gives him the ability to fly at speeds of 150 MPH and a height of 500 feet. And gives him Superhuman strength. Its powered by a cold-fusion thermoelectric generator located in the suit's belt.

Kraven has some superhuman strength, speed up to 60 MPH, agility and stamina. He has animal fighting technicques and a nerve pucnh which will be rendered useless in this match.

Professor Power is able to easily locate and start battling Kraven with his suits weapons. Kraven is not the Hunter but the bait. Using his speed and agility, he is able to fend off some of these attacks but he takes hits, lots of hits. Kraven is able to study his opponent and tries to find weaknesses to no avail, but hes Kraven, he wont give up. Professor Power takes it to the air and Karevn is on the run, dodging and ducking to no avail. Theres no way he can take Professor Power from the air. Kraven takes a hit and is knocked to the ground causing professor Power to descend on him to see his opponents demise. Kraven awakes using his hunting knife is able to penetrate Power's energy source around his belt and begins his atatck. With Professor Power's suits abilities rendered useless, Kraven takes the match.

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Darth writes up a great storyline....and, it works until the end. There won't be anything "causing (P)rofessor Power to descend on him to see his opponents demise;" because, Professor Power would use his "e-beam (electron-beam) gun" which "used a high-flux particle accelerator assembly located in his battlesuit's right forearm and a lasing array around the forefinger of his right glove, which operated in tandem" and caused a "maximum concussive force equivalent to the detonation of 100 pounds of TNT."

Now, just imagine that; from the air, Professor Power spots Kraven running, and he uses a "concussive force equivalent to the detonation of 100 pounds of TNT." There won't be any thing to see after that. No body to look at, because the body doesn't exist anymore.

Winner: Professor Power

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Mr. Hyde vs Windshear

Both of these characters have very potent powers. Mister Hyde has enhanced strength, speed, endurance and reflexes, landing in a nice 50 ton class range. Windshear on the other hand has a suit of armor to help him out in that department, as well as the added mutant ability of creating 'hard air'. It's not going to help him much against Mister Hyde.

Mister Hyde is pretty much the kind of guy the name implies, a brutal vicious man that will stop at nothing to get rid of his enemies. Right now, that enemy is Windshear, and all Mister Hyde needs is to grab him and take him apart. Now, obviously, you're first response would be: But Windshear can fly! Yes, this is an important issue that needs adressing. As we saw when the X-Men fought the Imperial Guard, thanks to the change of gravity, flying is about the last thing you would want to do on the Blue Area of the Moon. If Windshear flies and doesn't look out, he's going to end up killing himself. If he has a bit of sense, he won't fly and be forced to approach Mister Hyde a little more directly, leading to a quite disasterous result, with Mister Hyde taking the win.

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Darth writes up a great storyline....and, it works until the end. There won't be anything "causing (P)rofessor Power to descend on him to see his opponents demise;" because, Professor Power would use his "e-beam (electron-beam) gun" which "used a high-flux particle accelerator assembly located in his battlesuit's right forearm and a lasing array around the forefinger of his right glove, which operated in tandem" and caused a "maximum concussive force equivalent to the detonation of 100 pounds of TNT."

Now, just imagine that; from the air, Professor Power spots Kraven running, and he uses a "concussive force equivalent to the detonation of 100 pounds of TNT." There won't be any thing to see after that. No body to look at, because the body doesn't exist anymore.

Winner: Professor Power

Rebuttal: Kraven has no chance, therefore my fancy story will make me seem cooler.

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[quote=Phaedrus45]BRACKET 3,

Match 1:

Demogoblin (HIPPY FASCIST) bio



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Ok, so opening statement for demogoblin.




While this will undoubtedly be a tough match for the goblin he does have certain advantages over his foe. While yellowclaw's psychic assault would make things very difficult, demogoblin has displayed some psychic ability himself in the past.

Devilclaw is an extremely accomplished sorcerer well versed in the black arts, he is certainly of a level that he'd give yellow claw a run for his money.

Unlike many combatants he posseses an infinate supply of projectile weapons. Meaning he could simply carpet-bomb the area with pumpkin bombs until eventually he got a hit. As a further note, Demogoblin's pumpkin bombs have the ability to cripple an opponent emotionally. I know this sounds crap like the heart guy from CAPTAIN PLANET!




...but, put it this way, if your opponent is sitting on the floor crying like a little girl he isn't going to be putting up much of a fight!

I'm not sure on the limitations of range but demogoblin can go pretty high and move pretty fast on that glider of his making him, at least initially, an extremely difficult target for any weapon yellow claw would bring to the fight.

His skin causes violent halucinations in opponents meaning if he so much as brushed against yellow claw the sorceror would lose all concentration resulting in at the very least some reduction in the effects of his powers.

Demogoblin is like a rabid dog in a fight, the kind of psycho you can't deal with (particularly since his moral code means he will have INSANE AMMOUNTS OF HATRED spurring him on) in a rational matter and as anyone who has gotten into a fight on a friday night down the pub can tell you...nutjob's don't play by the rules. Yellowclaw has extensive martial arts training but martial arts rely on punches coming at certain spots, they are a series of set movements designed to counteract another(or multiple) fighting styles. As a result deomgoblin would prove tough to stop, combine that with the fact that he has strength on spider-man's level and I think it's clear that if this fight goes close combat yellow claw would get pwned!

So in closing, while demogoblin is clearly of lesser power, yellow claw's powers require heavy concentration which is the one thing demogoblin was born to spoil. The guy can get on your nerves, he can freak ou out, he can bounce around the room (excuse the crappy pun) like a man possesed. Anything the freak you out. We are talking about two characters based around the concept of hallucination and which would freak you out more if you were tweaking...an old chinese guy...or a freakin DEMON!

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Demogoblin vs. Yellow Claw:

Definitely my toughest match this week; but, in my estimation, one that Yellow Claw would pull out the victory. This match is all about location, experience, and knowledge. As the various bios on Yellow Claw state, he's a "criminal mastermind ... born over one hundred and fifty years ago in mainland China. A genius in biochemistry," he has the knowledge and experience to learn about his opponent and use his lack of experience against him.

Since Yellow Claw is going up against a demon, his past dealings with the supernatural will be his advantage. As his bio also states, "The Yellow Claw has superhuman psychic abilities with which he can influence another person's sensory perceptions, causing that Person to see, hear, and even feel the illusions the Claw projects into his or her mind.
The Yellow Claw has considerable knowledge of sorcery, and has even proved able to reanimate the dead."(1) It would be my estimation that a demon wouldn't be too well trained in dealing with a psychic who can influence his perceptions.(2) And, with Yellow Claws knowledge of sorcery, he's probably be able to send Demogoblin right back where he came from.(3)

This will be a match of shadows and deceipt. It's too bad Demogoblin's stench and flames will give him away. Yellow Claw's psychic training will easily keep him hidden, until he can use his sorcery to banish this demon.(3) And, it is with Sorcery he would probably defeat this goblin...but, it's not his only means. He is a master in biochemisty, and has a variety of weapons, including one that "can weaken a person's will with his 'id paralyzer.'"(4)

Winner: Yellow Claw
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  1. He has proved able to re-animate the dead at the absolute peak of his powers. Demogoblin is also an extremely accomplished student of the black arts(wouldn't really call him a sorceror though ) and as traditional views on magic's show, for every spell there is a counter-spell. Demogoblin would be able to hold his opponent at bay for a long time if the battle went magical.
  2. Except perhaps for a demon whose whole powerbase revolves around halucination and general fear. The guy has halucinogenic skin, he has bombs and blades that cause emotional breakdowns on impact, do you not think that at somepoint he was on the recieving end of some of those emotional panic attacks. Also how do you freak a guy that has spent most of his existence in HELL! It doesn't get much freakier than ABANDON HOPE ALL WHO ENTER HERE (not sure if that's the exact quote)
  3. With regards banishment, traditional folklore dictates (and buffy/charmed ), for every kind of demon there is a set ritual/weapon/natural influence for banishing them from the mortal plane. Demogoblin is a student of the black arts. If you were in his position what be the first thing you'd do...you'd check out the spells with significant impact on yourself and learn how to interupt/repel their effects.
  4. The id is the selfish impulses, the pleasure centre. Demogoblin doesn't do what he does out of desire or because he enjoys it, the guy's on a personal crusade due to an extreme moral code he has picked up somewhere. He is not acting wilfully he is doing something that to him at least involves suffering and sacrifice.
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WINNER: DEMOGOBLIN!

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While this will undoubtedly be a tough match for the goblin he does have certain advantages over his foe. While yellowclaw's psychic assault would make things very difficult, demogoblin has displayed some psychic ability himself in the past.
In actuality, the only psychic abilities that Demogoblin has displayed is between him and his previous host, Jason Macendale. For this reason, he is stated as having "limited telepathic ablility," because of his previous association with the Hobgoblin.
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Devilclaw is an extremely accomplished sorcerer well versed in the black arts, he is certainly of a level that he'd give yellow claw a run for his money.
Yes, it is stated he's well versed in black magic and the occult, but never has he been referred to as "an extremely accomplished sorcerer." Simply put, he uses fire and brimstone to make his glider and weapon's work. In all the research you can do on Demogoblin, you will never find him using sorcery.

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Unlike many combatants he posseses an infinate supply of projectile weapons. Meaning he could simply carpet-bomb the area with pumpkin bombs until eventually he got a hit.

I'm not sure on the limitations of range but demogoblin can go pretty high and move pretty fast on that glider of his making him, at least initially, an extremely difficult target for any weapon yellow claw would bring to the fight.
The problem with this statement in regards to this match-up is two-fold. First, the Blue Area of the Moon is made up of many structures in which to battle. He cannot get so far out of range that Yellow Claw's method's would be unavailable to reach him. Second, need I remind you how Demogoblin died? He clearly won't "carpet-bomb the area," because a pillar ended up crushing him and ending his life.


Now, I won't continue to quote the references; but, instead just bring out a few points.

1) Demogoblin won't be able to research who Yellow Claw is, while Yellow Claw would have extensive information about Jason Macendale and Demogoblin at this disposal. You may ask, "Why wouldn't Demogoblin be able to get any information?" Because, Demogoblin is so insane that "he saw everyone as a sinner," and would thus try to kill anyone who could possible assist him.

2) Yellow Claw is a master at many things, including sorcery, mysticism, alchemy, biochemistry, and the martial arts. The last thing Yellow Claw would do is engage Demogoblin in a physical fight. So, all the arguments about that would be null and void. Yellow Claw would know this demon's weaknesses, he would know ways to protect himself from the Demogoblin.

3) The prep-time is to Yellow Claw's extreme advantage, and utterly useless to Demogoblin. Demogoblin does not play well with others. In fact, as my opponent clearly states, he's quite insane. Yellow Claw isn't. He has a vast empire, knowledge of the underground, and unlimited resources at his disposal. Simply put, the more anyone thinks about this match-up, the more they will realize the one character who has the clear advantage.

Winner: Yellow Claw

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  1. He has proved able to re-animate the dead at the absolute peak of his powers. Demogoblin is also an extremely accomplished student of the black arts(wouldn't really call him a sorceror though ) and as traditional views on magic's show, for every spell there is a counter-spell. Demogoblin would be able to hold his opponent at bay for a long time if the battle went magical.
As noted above, and as my opponent has admitted, Demogoblin isn't really a sorcerer. Demogobin won't know what he's up against, while Yellow Claw will realize he's dealing with a demon whose black arts powers are simply limited to the use of fire and brimstone. I would highly argue that Demogoblin could "hold his opponent at bay for a long time if the battle went magical." There is nothing in Demogoblin's past that would show he has that ability against a Master Sorcerer.

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  1. Except perhaps for a demon whose whole powerbase revolves around halucination and general fear. The guy has halucinogenic skin, he has bombs and blades that cause emotional breakdowns on impact, do you not think that at somepoint he was on the recieving end of some of those emotional panic attacks. Also how do you freak a guy that has spent most of his existence in HELL! It doesn't get much freakier than ABANDON HOPE ALL WHO ENTER HERE (not sure if that's the exact quote)
  2. With regards banishment, traditional folklore dictates (and buffy/charmed ), for every kind of demon there is a set ritual/weapon/natural influence for banishing them from the mortal plane. Demogoblin is a student of the black arts. If you were in his position what be the first thing you'd do...you'd check out the spells with significant impact on yourself and learn how to interupt/repel their effects.
To think a Master Sorcerer would submit to "emotional panic attacks" is very unlikely. Again, Demogoblin will have no idea who he's going against...Yellow Claw will. And, he would have a plan for dealing with a demon who's only means of attack is with fire and brimstone. Plus, let's not forget how Demogoblin was killed. A pillar dropped on him and crushed him.

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  1. The id is the selfish impulses, the pleasure centre. Demogoblin doesn't do what he does out of desire or because he enjoys it, the guy's on a personal crusade due to an extreme moral code he has picked up somewhere. He is not acting wilfully he is doing something that to him at least involves suffering and sacrifice.
Finally, Demogoblin is all about doing what he desires and enjoys. This is an insane demon with a religious crusade about punishing sinners for the very act he himself is committing. Demogoblin cannot act rationally, and his past has proven that. And, he cannot have an "extreme moral code," for if he did, he'd realize he would have to punish himself just as much as those he believes he should punish.

Winner: Yellow Claw

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In actuality, the only psychic abilities that Demogoblin has displayed is between him and his previous host, Jason Macendale. For this reason, he is stated as having "limited telepathic ablility," because of his previous association with the Hobgoblin.
I'm pretty sure he's displayed links with other people such as doppelganger

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Yes, it is stated he's well versed in black magic and the occult, but never has he been referred to as "an extremely accomplished sorcerer." Simply put, he uses fire and brimstone to make his glider and weapon's work. In all the research you can do on Demogoblin, you will never find him using sorcery.
The implication however is that these are spells rather than inate abilities. The guy is however many milenia old and most importantly has spent most of his life in hell, don't you think that he has at least heard tales of Yellow claw's exploits from the "inmates" he will have a fair amount of knowledge of yellowclaw and with regards the sorcery, alistair crowley was probably a great teacher! But seriously, if he can conjure pumpkin bombs and a glider, don't you think he might have learnt a few defensive spells over the years. Also he conjures these without words, unlike the majority of sorcerors, which implies at least fairly significant power-levels.

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The problem with this statement in regards to this match-up is two-fold. First, the Blue Area of the Moon is made up of many structures in which to battle. He cannot get so far out of range that Yellow Claw's method's would be unavailable to reach him. Second, need I remind you how Demogoblin died? He clearly won't "carpet-bomb the area," because a pillar ended up crushing him and ending his life.
(I was referring to weaponry as in guns)

Second he died holding the pillar up to save a little girl, how many litle girls are there likely to be in the area?

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1) Demogoblin won't be able to research who Yellow Claw is, while Yellow Claw would have extensive information about Jason Macendale and Demogoblin at this disposal. You may ask, "Why wouldn't Demogoblin be able to get any information?" Because, Demogoblin is so insane that "he saw everyone as a sinner," and would thus try to kill anyone who could possible assist him.
But he will have memories of his time in hell and as I said has probably bumped into one or two of yellow-claws enemies ver the years, yellow claw predates demogoblin unless I'm mistaken...

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2) Yellow Claw is a master at many things, including sorcery, mysticism, alchemy, biochemistry, and the martial arts. The last thing Yellow Claw would do is engage Demogoblin in a physical fight. So, all the arguments about that would be null and void. Yellow Claw would know this demon's weaknesses, he would know ways to protect himself from the Demogoblin.
And as I said demogoblin is a wild animal with total conviction that he is in the right, hewould fight through the pain and find a way totake it to close quarters, a guy like yellow claw he is going to want to whale on nice and hard
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3) The prep-time is to Yellow Claw's extreme advantage, and utterly useless to Demogoblin. Demogoblin does not play well with others. In fact, as my opponent clearly states, he's quite insane. Yellow Claw isn't. He has a vast empire, knowledge of the underground, and unlimited resources at his disposal. Simply put, the more anyone thinks about this match-up, the more they will realize the one character who has the clear advantage.
Prep time is for little-girls

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I'm pretty sure he's displayed links with other people such as doppelganger
I stand partially corrected. Here is the exact quote:

"He had limited telepathic ability developing a telepathic link with both Doppelganger and Jason Macendale."

But, that is it. Nothing else can be found about him having anything more. It could only be conjectured that he developed these two links because of his bond to both of them. It would be false to suppose he could have anything more.


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The implication however is that these are spells rather than inate abilities. The guy is however many milenia old and most importantly has spent most of his life in hell, don't you think that he has at least heard tales of Yellow claw's exploits from the "inmates" he will have a fair amount of knowledge of yellowclaw and with regards the sorcery, alistair crowley was probably a great teacher! But seriously, if he can conjure pumpkin bombs and a glider, don't you think he might have learnt a few defensive spells over the years. Also he conjures these without words, unlike the majority of sorcerors, which implies at least fairly significant power-levels.
This will, of course, be left up to the voter. But, I would again say that there is nothing in any of Demogoblin's history that he can do anything beyond his fire and brimstone. For me, you cannot pre-suppose something without having proof that it's been done before.

Also, to imagine that these demons spend their time talking to one another would be more conjecture. A demon is in Hell for one reason and one reason alone...To be tortured. I have never seen a water-cooler moment in Hell, and I cannot picture fellow demons dishing the dirt to other demons. (Plus, people who have had past experiences with Yellow Claw would more than likely be souls, not demons.)


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Second he died holding the pillar up to save a little girl, how many litle girls are there likely to be in the area?
This was actually an argument I was going to use....but, it would have been more of a "plan W." I did realize that Yellow Claw would discover that Demogoblin's one weakness is with little children. It's the only type of people who he felt was free of sin. Yellow Claw would simply use an advanced hologram to make Demogoblin believe a child is in danger; thus, putting himself in danger. It's a trap that couldn't be called ridiculous, because Demogoblin's insanity makes many things possible.

Simply put, I decided that I probably didn't need to go with "plan W" because I would have defeated Demogoblin before I would have to resort to it. But, it was an option in the back of my mind.

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And as I said demogoblin is a wild animal with total conviction that he is in the right, hewould fight through the pain and find a way totake it to close quarters, a guy like yellow claw he is going to want to whale on nice and hard
But, if you look at past encounters with Yellow Claw, you will notice he can successfully hide in the shadows. Demogoblin is all about flash and fire. (And, as I pointed out, the smell of brimstone would alert anyone to his coming.) Yellow Claw is so skilled, he could use his psychic powers to hide himself quite effective amongst the ruins of the Blue Side of the Moon. After all, just because someone wants a fight to go a certain way, a true master will know his strengths and weaknesses and take all of that into account. Yellow Claw is clearly the master....Demogoblin, at the end of the day, is just a demon, a servent of hell.

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Prep time is for little-girls

And, it was a little girl that got Demogoblin killed.

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First off Blink could get all the information from her HQ so she would be fully prepared to take this beast down. Along with Morph and Mimic, Blink is one of the few to go up against Super Souless Hyperion and come out standing, she's not studip she knows how to use here powers....violently. I could see this ending quick. First she would teleport his weapons away from his and leave him defenseless, then he would turn into his invulnerable wolf form which would be the problem factor but since in her mind it is no longer human, she would have no problem bombarding him with her teleportation daggers that would pick him to pieces and into walls.

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First off Blink could get all the information from her HQ so she would be fully prepared to take this beast down..
I will not argue this point but lets note that Fenris was very rarely seen in the comic but when he was, it ws in Asgard. I don't know how much info HQ would have outside of Norse Mythology.

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Along with Morph and Mimic, Blink is one of the few to go up against Super Souless Hyperion and come out standing
Yes she came out standing against Hyperion but she only acted as a distraction and the team was able to defeat him with the help of 2 other Hyperions from other timelines so lets not think she could have stood up to him on her own. She does not have that kind of help here.


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she's not stupid she knows how to use here powers....violently. I could see this ending quick. First she would teleport his weapons away from his and leave him defenseless, then he would turn into his invulnerable wolf form which would be the problem factor but since in her mind it is no longer human, she would have no problem bombarding him with her teleportation daggers that would pick him to pieces and into walls.
I will say that her teleporting powers are extensive but could she teleport a URU HAMMER forged by Surtur away. This is not any normal weapon so the question remains in doubt. The question would be the same to ask whether she could teleport Mjollnir away from Thor.

Also note that he is not helpless in his humanoid form being as invulnerable and strong enough to go toe to toe with Thor. His speed is faster then an Asgardian. And if he transformed into wolf his size could be so great as to instantly crush Blink.

Plus her teleportation daggers would take sometime to cut him into peices, even if they could as he is virtually invulnerable, given the size he can take which knows no bounds.

This is a creature ODIN feared, you really think a sub-omega mutant stands a chance.

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I will not argue this point but lets note that Fenris was very rarely seen in the comic but when he was, it ws in Asgard. I don't know how much info HQ would have outside of Norse Mythology.
You misunderstand they have all the knowledge of the entire universe, that means evrything, it isn't someone compiling info, it's ABSOLUTE knowledge.



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Yes she came out standing against Hyperion but she only acted as a distraction and the team was able to defeat him with the help of 2 other Hyperions from other timelines so lets not think she could have stood up to him on her own. She does not have that kind of help here.
No she was the one taht took him down first by teleporting his beams into his back. And she fought him head on in the desert and survived, she didn't win she survived! Big diference but I tihnk this wolf chump would get a major smackdown from Hyperion.



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I will say that her teleporting powers are extensive but could she teleport a URU HAMMER forged by Surtur away. This is not any normal weapon so the question remains in doubt. The question would be the same to ask whether she could teleport Mjollnir away from Thor.
Why couldn't she teleport it away from him? And after that
she would just hammer him with thousands of dagger that
would eventually hit him and split him apart.
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You misunderstand they have all the knowledge of the entire universe, that means evrything, it isn't someone compiling info, it's ABSOLUTE knowledge.
The way I understand it, was all earthly knowledge. Asgard is not earthly.


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she fought him head on in the desert and survived, she didn't win she survived! Big diference but I tihnk this wolf chump would get a major smackdown from Hyperion.
To call fenris a wolf chump is to seriously underestimate Fenris the wolf. And whether Hyperion could take him is in question as well. Thor could not and neither would Odin be able to. You know Odin right, the Allfather who could take down Thanos and fight off Surtur.



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Why couldn't she teleport it away from him? And after that she would just hammer him with thousands of dagger that would eventually hit him and split him apart.
The hammer is made of uru and is magical in nature. It is protected. I don't remember Thor's hammer ever being teleported out of his hands.

And the daggers would not necessarily penetrate him as invulnerable as he is.

Blink is outclassed against a creature that is destinned to eat Odin.

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The way I understand it, was all earthly knowledge. Asgard is not earthly.
It's all knowledge and future forcasting, meaning Blink would have all the information and be able to see what she would need to do to beat him.




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To call fenris a wolf chump is to seriously underestimate Fenris the wolf. And whether Hyperion could take him is in question as well. Thor could not and neither would Odin be able to. You know Odin right, the Allfather who could take down Thanos and fight off Surtur.
I'll give that to you, he's tought he wouldn't be easy. But Hyperion took out Thor, Silver Surfer, and Thanos in hi suniverse. Which means they couldn't survive. And Blink did, that tells you soemthing. She may not be stronger or more powerful but she's smart and resourceful she would figure out a way to keep him down and defeat him.





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The hammer is made of uru and is magical in nature. It is protected. I don't remember Thor's hammer ever being teleported out of his hands.
She could just teleport the forceful too.

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And the daggers would not necessarily penetrate him as invulnerable as he is.
It doesn't need to penetrate it just has to make contact.

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Blink is outclassed against a creature that is destinned to eat Odin.
Yes she is but that doesn't mean she couldn't beat him.

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It's all knowledge and future forcasting, meaning Blink would have all the information and be able to see what she would need to do to beat him.
I concede she would have knowledge that a wolf destinned to eat Odin who has no weakenesses. Its not like she could get some Kryptonite....


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I'll give that to you, he's tought he wouldn't be easy. But Hyperion took out Thor, Silver Surfer, and Thanos in hi suniverse. Which means they couldn't survive. And Blink did, that tells you soemthing. She may not be stronger or more powerful but she's smart and resourceful she would figure out a way to keep him down and defeat him.
I know that but we did not see those battles so do not quite know the circumstances of them. And Blink is not Batman or Forge.

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It doesn't need to penetrate it just has to make contact.
And how would she throw anything if Fenris instantly crushes her changing to the size of a continent or to the size of a microbe...he can control his size and lest I forget he is also a shapechanger. Plus it is not like Fenris would not be viscious...he would just be as happy having her for lunch and feel no remorse whatsoever.

I am glad we agree she is outclassed.

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I concede she would have knowledge that a wolf destinned to eat Odin who has no weakenesses. Its not like she could get some Kryptonite....
No but with the future forcasting abilities she would be able to find some way to defeat him.




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I know that but we did not see those battles so do not quite know the circumstances of them. And Blink is not Batman or Forge.
I don't think she's that high but maybe like a level below it, two at the most.



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And how would she throw anything if Fenris instantly crushes her changing to the size of a continent or to the size of a microbe...he can control his size and lest I forget he is also a shapechanger. Plus it is not like Fenris would not be viscious...he would just be as happy having her for lunch and feel no remorse whatsoever.
If he gets realy big she could just teleport away from him, and the bigger he is, the easier he would be to hit. If he turned small she could just step on him.

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I am glad we agree she is outclassed.
Yep, not the greatest battle to start off with.

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No but with the future forcasting abilities she would be able to find some way to defeat him.
I did not think the future forecasting abilities are that accurate or every battle would have been a foregone conclusion with the exiles which it has not been.




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If he gets realy big she could just teleport away from him, and the bigger he is, the easier he would be to hit. If he turned small she could just step on him.
I am talking of a size that would cover the blue area of the moon....where would she teleport to..... outer space. I think she needs to breathe. And even if he were the size of a microbe he would still be invulnerable.


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Yep, not the greatest battle to start off with.
I have a few of those as well, notably wolfesbane against Kaine comes to mind.

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