Contest of Marvels II Thread 1

[hippy fascist]

Banshee

Unus The Untouchable (debate = win)

Scarlet Witch (but damn I so wish I could have voted the other way )

Guardian (shard's made fo light, good debate prime :up)

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Current Results
Unus The Untouchable leads Ghost Rider 3-1
Banshee leads Hannibal King 4-0
Guardian leads Shard 4-0
Scarlet Witch leads Baron Karza 3-1

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Unus
Banshee
Guardian
Baron Karza (sorry for the cheesy debate, but I seriously could not, and did not, want to debate around The Scarlet Witch)

[Ahura Mazda]

Unus
Banshee
Guardian
Scarlet Witch

[kytrigger]

Unus
Guardian
Scarlet Witch-(awesome debate by Prime though...loved it)
Banshee

[Midnight Ice]

Banshee
Unus The Untouchable
Scarlet Witch
Guardian

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Final Results
Unus The Untouchable defeats Ghost Rider 6-1
Banshee defeats Hannibal King 7-0
Guardian defeats Shard 7-0
Scarlet Witch defeats Baron Karza 6-1

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BRACKET 1,

Match 15:

Songbird (DARTHPHERE) bio



vs.

Adam X (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio




Match 16:

Ronan The Accuser (KYTRIGGER) bio



vs.

Damien Hellstrom (HARLEKIN) bio

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BRACKET 2,

Match 15:

Georgeous George (HARLEKIN) bio

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vs.

Debrii (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio




Match 16:

Doc Octopus (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio



vs.

Monet St. Croix (PRIMEMOVER) bio

[Midnight Ice]

Originally Posted by wiegeabo

BRACKET 2,

Match 15:

Georgeous George (HARLEKIN) bio

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vs.

Debrii (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

This would be a very interesting fight. I am not too sure what either of them would know about one another, but that won't really matter. Debrii will have tons (literally) of weapons at her desposal with all of the surrounding items. She could easily hurl them at George, or surrounding him with debri trapping him. She could also summon any nearby scrap metal or any random parts and make herself a suit much like a giant monster, which she has done in the past. In this form, she could pick George apart.

Winner: Debrii

[kytrigger]

Originally Posted by wiegeabo

Ronan The Accuser (KYTRIGGER) bio



vs.

Damien Hellstrom (HARLEKIN) bio

I have some really good matches this week, and this is one of them.

Hellstrom has dark magical powers. He uses these in a number of ways including flight, teleportation and healing. He can also cast hellfire and is in peak human condition.

Ronan has superspeed, superstrength, endurance, energy blasts and a bunch of gadgets giving him things like shields and whatnot. His cosmi-rod can manipulate matter. He is also one of the best tacticians in the MU.

Prep time wise goes to Ronan. He has access to the Supreme Intelligence and Kree files which have shwon to have details on almost everything about earth. Other secluded characters like Black Bolt have been shown to have files on them and Ronan has prepared for them. It is very possible that they would have files on teh Avengers too which Hellstrom was a part of once.

Location wise is a huge plus for Ronan too. While Damien's powers are still very potent, he is MUCH stronger in his own hell dimension. Also, there are many people around which would stop Hellstrom from casting his powerful magics that would destroy parts of the city and whatnot. He also wouldn't teleport part of ht ecity to hell to try and get a ring out of Ronan since it would kill those innocents. Overall, he would have to hold back somewhat which is a very dangerous thign to do when fighting Ronan.

Hellstrom can use his fire to try and hurt Ronan. Regular fire won't work, so he'll try and use hellfire. There are several problems here though.

1) Ther eare still many people around. They would get does in Hellfire as well and would die, not somethign Helsltrom would do.

2) Hellfire burns the soul, but it can still be blocked like fire. Ronan has some fo the best shields around would have them up at the beginning of the fight not letting the Hellfire touch him.

3) Ronan is MUCH faster than Hellstrom. Hellstrom is powerful, but he major weakness is that he still basically just has regular human endurance, strength, and speed. He would have to hit Ronan first, and that won't be easy.

Hellstrom's main problem is that this isn't the kind of battle he is used to fighting. He's used to magical battles where both participants could be sitting down casting spells at each other. This battle has a lot of movement, and can become very fast very quickly.

Ronan will know that Hellstrom is very powerful and try and put him down quickly. He will go in for the kill or knock-out immediately and is much stronger than Hellstrom. One good hit from Ronan's hammer and Hellstrom would be out.

Winner- Ronan

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LOCATION: MADRIPOOR

Madripoor is apparently based on Singapore; they are both south Asian island port nations with a single major city. Its official name is the Principality of Madripoor, and its capital and single large city is Madripoor, which is divided between wealthy Hightown and impoverished, crime-ridden Lowtown. This serves to represent the extreme social inequality in Madripoor, described as "A place for the very rich and the very poor".
Madripoor was once a haven for pirates, and that tradition is somewhat continued today with its lawless quality; the Principality does not allow other nations to extradite criminals. However, it is one of the business capitals of the Pacific Rim, with its own Trade Center.
Other locations of note in the Central Business District are the Bank of Hong Kong and the Bank of Malaysia, luxurious Sovereign Hotel, and the Prince's Palace, said to rival Versailles.

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Monet St. Croix vs. Dr. Octopus - opening remarks

Monet has superstrength, invulnerabilty, enhanced senses, can fly and has regeneration and enhanced healing.

Dr. Octopus is a scientific genius with four strong, adamantium tentacles he controls with his mind to attack and move.

These two foes would know everything of eachother, both are well known and have long histories.

Madripoor definately benifits Dr. Octopus as there would be people to use against Monet.


The three things that give Monet the edge here are here ability to fly, her limited telepathy and her increased durabilty due to invulnerability and healing factor.


Dr. Octopus would undoubtedly put the citizens of Madripoor in harms way to either draw Monet out, or put her in a position for him to attack more effectively. This is where her enhanced strength, durabiliy and ability to fly would come into play, she would basically fly right at him, grappling with him and then taking them both somewhere less populated by people.

Basically from there, Money would work her way to knocking Dr. Octopus out, as he is just a regular guy and Spider-Man takes him out with this technique almost every time. Her telepathy can be used to disrupt Dr. Octopus's connection with his arms, and while this won't be an end all type of deal, it would help Monet get to him and get through to strike the final blow.

Winner: Monet St. Croix

[JewishHobbit]

Adam X Vs Songbird

This could be an interesting battle. It is a populated area, but fortunately both characters think of the people, and they'd dodge the people to get alone to fight. Now I believe that both characters would come into this match blind, since neither character know of each other, Songbird came after Adam, and Adam was alien and not popular at all, not known by anyone other than some X-Men and X-Force characters, none of which Songbird would know.

Their powers are effective against each other, but I think Adam's is more prone to deal a finishing blow, while Songbird's is more prone to where Adam down eventually. He's very agile (almost Spidey like) and he's very skilled in hand to hand combat. She can take to the air (and most definately will) but I don't think that will hinder Adam all that much. He is the type of fighter that can work around that by entering buildings, throwing his throwing knives (which he's very accurate with, even able to hit skilled fighters such as Cable and Shatterstar).

Songbird will put up a good fight, but push come to shove, all that's needed is for Adam to get one cut in and the match is over. His power is to basically set oxodized blood aflame (blood exposed to the air). If he cuts Melissa, even from a distance, he can then ignite her blood and take her out (as the simple attack took out the entire X-Force team, and an extreme case killed Eric the Red, blew him up). Now he won't kill Melissa, but he'll be more than willing to knock her out by igniting her blood.

Overall, Songbird is an excellent character and has a good chance of lasting in this match, but Adam's battle experience, agility, and power is more than enough to end the match.

Winner - Adam X

[JewishHobbit]

Doctor Octopus Vs Monet

My first thought on this was that Monet has a great chance of winning... but then I took a second thought and thought.... what was I thinking?!

Heh, to be honest, I like Monet. I think she's a great character and can hold her own for a while, but in the long run, in a one on one battle, Ock's got it. I think this because while she does have a power advance, Ock's always gone up against people stronger, faster, and more agile than he, and comes out on top. He's always one of those brains over braun type of characters, and his arms give him the braun to balance that out. While Monet can fly and has speed, Ock's shown against such characters as Nova and Human Torch that speed and flight is something he can take care of (as he took both of them on, as well as about 5 or 6 other simoultaneously). Speed is also something he's used to as he's a Spidey villain, and Monet is no where near as fast as Ock. She has super strength and resilience, but he was able to not only defend himself, but outright beat Professor Hulk (not quite Savage Hulk, but still far beyond Monet). To be honest, when it comes to physical combate, I don't think Monet has it in her to get close enough to land a blow. Ock has the experience edge, the intelligence edge, and the reach to attack without even being near enough to receive a blow.

The only thing that Monet has that I think may truly be a threat to Ock is her telepathy, but we must remember that she isn't a powerhouse in this reguard. She's a very low level telepath and is barely a threat with it. The biggest usage she's ever done was to create an image of a woman in someone's mind and have her say a few words, and then it was done. I think this attack will definately help her in her fight against Ock, but in the end, Ock will see past whatever illusion she casts (and we don't even know if she can hold an illusion for long!).

I think Monet will put up a good fight, but in the end, she will join the ranks of Spidey, Hulk, Sandman and so many others as people Ock's brushed aside like they were nothing. Monet's a tough girl... Ock's a legend.

Winner - Doctor Octopus

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS: Gorgeous George vs Debrii

Okay, I will confess, this took me WAY too long, but here it finally is. I'm going to keep this short and sweet. There's very little that Debrii can do to hurt Gorgeous George without endangering the people. Since they're fighting on a populated battleground, Debrii will have to hold back, while George has no such scruples. He only needs to get close and his tar like body can do the rest. While Debrii holds back George can go all the way, quickly lunging for Debrii, envelop her in his body and choke her to death.


WINNER=GORGEOUS GEORGE

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Gorgeous George vs Debrii

Originally Posted by Midnight Ice

This would be a very interesting fight. I am not too sure what either of them would know about one another, but that won't really matter. Debrii will have tons (literally) of weapons at her desposal with all of the surrounding items. She could easily hurl them at George, or surrounding him with debri trapping him. She could also summon any nearby scrap metal or any random parts and make herself a suit much like a giant monster, which she has done in the past. In this form, she could pick George apart.

Which she's going to use with helpless and innocent civilians around her? Debrii's a hero, Gorgeous George isn't it. Not only will that first tactic surely kill some people, George can take quite a hit as well. Then there's the summing of scrap metal to form armor: again, random bits of metal flying through the air is going to mean decapitation for any civilian in the neighbourhood.

There's really little Debrii can do without endangering lives, and George just needs to get in close, and it's over.

WINNER=GORGEOUS GEORGE

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS: Damien Hellstrom, the Son of Satan vs Ronan the Accuser

First off, a sorry for the lateness.
Secondly, a little power comparison:

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

Originally Posted by http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/hellstormdaimon.htm

Daimon possesses a Darksoul, the demonic counterpart to a human soul, which physically manifests itself in the inverted pentagram-shaped birthmark on his chest (inverted as a mark of Baphomet). He can project hellfire (a.k.a. soulfire), a fire-like mystic energy capable of causing excruciating pain within living beings through direct stimulation of a person's life force. Soulfire does not physically burn in the sense that true fire does, but it can be perceived by its target as heat if its wielder so wills it. In addition, Daimon can generate true fire. He can project soulfire or true fire through his fingertips. He can also use his powers to heal others from life-threatening injuries and ailments.
He can also teleport by passing through a portal to Hell and emerging back on Earth through another portal. He only utilized this power after his rebirth, and it initially seemed that he was required to use existing portals. Since becoming the Lord of Hell he has been seen to travel across the world to a number of spots, indicating that he may be able to open portals virtually anywhere.

Daimon has above normal intelligence and peak physical abilities (as the Son of Satan) to enhanced human physical abilities (as the Lord of Hell; presumably able to further enhanced by his magical powers).

In the past, Daimon was able to magically change into his demonic costume at will by extending the three middle fingers on each hand in the shape of a trident. He could, however, use his demonic powers without being in costume. Early on after discovering his powers, Daimon was transformed into the Son of Satan at nighttime, much like a werewolf, and his personality was markedly different as well. At that time he would have his wrists bound in a chain of ankhs to keep his Darksoul under control. This phase lasted only a very short time, after which Daimon merged with his Darksoul, and his transformations from that point on merely represented the change in costume.

Daimon once used his powers to travel through time to pre-Cataclysmic Atlantis. Since he did not travel through time more frequently, it was likely exceedingly difficult to accomplish.

Daimon is an expert in demonology, a highly experienced exorcist, and has extensive knowledge of the occult and various mystic rites.

He uses a trident composed of Netheranium, a "psychosensitive" metal found only in his father's realm of Hell, which allows him to focus his hellfire power, increase the magnitude of and the distance across which he can project it, and even fly via projecting a mystical jet of flame. This method of transportation requires great concentration, limiting his speed to 30 mph and his length of time of flight to 30 minutes.
It could also amplify and project other magical energies.
Since becoming the Lord of Hell, Daimon has proven able to create/summon/restore his trident at will

He also uses a mystic chariot, drawn by a trio of demon-steeds, Amon, Hecate, and Set, for extended journeys. The horses are actually demons and are only kept in control by Daimon's command; left on their own, they will consume any human flesh that gets within their reach. The steeds remain in an extradimensional netherworld until summoned. Their maximum speed is unknown, but their magical powers would presumably allow them to cross any distance almost instantly. They can also travel to other dimensions.

As the Lord of Hell, Daimon's powers are exponentially amplified. He can form magical wards or shields, shatter many magical fields/shields, tear thoughts from the minds of others, slay most beings with a thought, and destroy even demons with a high-ranking in the infernal court. His powers are amplified by the number of people worshipping him, as well as the strength of their worship and presumably by the number of souls inhabiting his particular realm of Hell. One would also assume that his powers are greatest within his own realm of Hell.
Despite his great power, Hellstorm is not invulnerable. A bullet from the magically-empowered Breathing Gun left him lame in his left leg for a period of time.

Hellstorm also possesses a number of magical artifacts, such as the Necromanteion (a magical scrying crystal) and the Grimorium Verum (an ancient arcane text).

Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_the_Accuser

As a Public Accuser, Ronan maintains a variety of powers, including:

* enhanced strength and endurance;
* the ability to adapt to hostile environments;
* enhanced intelligence;
* a keen, tactical mind;
* superior combat skills.

In addition, Ronan has worn a cybernetic suit of armor that enhances his natural abilities. The armor can generate electral charges and allows the wearer to cryogenically freeze a target. Ronan also uses a blaster and wields a cosmi-rod, a weapon which allows the user to control cosmic energy through mental command.

Prep-time wise, no one here really has as an advantage. Hellstrom might be able to look up some info on Ronan via magic scrying pools, but I doubt he'll get much. Ronan is similarly handicapped. I don't recall the Defenders ever really meeting the Kree, and the stability of that team was small. It's doubtful Ronan would be able to find info on a guy that was with them for a while. His powers have changed dramatically since then, either way.

The first thing Daimon will make sure to do is cast a protective spell that will make sure to hold out against Ronan for at least a little while. From there on out, he can use a number of incantations to try and get tid of Ronan. Teleportation of the battleground is a cheap move, but a valid one. There's also his hellfire, which directly attacks the soul. A good hit in the face and Ronan will be screaming.


WINNER=DAMIEN HELLSTROM

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Hellstrom vs Ronan

Originally Posted by kytrigger

Prep time wise goes to Ronan. He has access to the Supreme Intelligence and Kree files which have shwon to have details on almost everything about earth. Other secluded characters like Black Bolt have been shown to have files on them and Ronan has prepared for them. It is very possible that they would have files on teh Avengers too which Hellstrom was a part of once.

Hellstrom was not a part of the Avengers. He was a Defender, and that's a big difference. I'm pretty sure they've never interacted with the Kree, and I'm missing your point on the Black Bolt thing. It's not odd that Bolt would have info on most superhuman denizens of earth, because y'know, he lives there. Black Bolt is also not an obscure figure to the Kree.

Location wise is a huge plus for Ronan too. While Damien's powers are still very potent, he is MUCH stronger in his own hell dimension. Also, there are many people around which would stop Hellstrom from casting his powerful magics that would destroy parts of the city and whatnot. He also wouldn't teleport part of ht ecity to hell to try and get a ring out of Ronan since it would kill those innocents. Overall, he would have to hold back somewhat which is a very dangerous thign to do when fighting Ronan.

Hellstrom could care less about the people around. He's Lord of Hell, and even before that, he had no trouble killing people because they annoyed. He will sacrifice the people around him to garantuee he wins. There's absolutely no holding back necessary.

Hellstrom can use his fire to try and hurt Ronan. Regular fire won't work, so he'll try and use hellfire. There are several problems here though.

1) Ther eare still many people around. They would get does in Hellfire as well and would die, not somethign Helsltrom would do.

He really wouldn't care about civilians.

2) Hellfire burns the soul, but it can still be blocked like fire. Ronan has some fo the best shields around would have them up at the beginning of the fight not letting the Hellfire touch him.

Even in the face? His armor exposes that part of him and it's an easy target.

3) Ronan is MUCH faster than Hellstrom. Hellstrom is powerful, but he major weakness is that he still basically just has regular human endurance, strength, and speed. He would have to hit Ronan first, and that won't be easy.

Since Ronan needs to come up close to really have an effect, Hellstrom can use his magic shields long enough to make sure he gets his hits in. He's also got the grand power of teleportation. He could keep going with such hit and run tactics for quite a while.

Hellstrom's main problem is that this isn't the kind of battle he is used to fighting. He's used to magical battles where both participants could be sitting down casting spells at each other. This battle has a lot of movement, and can become very fast very quickly.

He's used to blasting people in the face and killing them.

Shields will be an adequate defense for as long as Hellstrom needs to either use his incantations or his hellfire. The threat of civilians being killed won't affect him. He's not much of a good guy anymore. He'll be going in for the kill.

WINNER=HELLSTROM

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Voting May Begin!!!

[Midnight Ice]

Adam X(debate is win)
Debrii
Monet
Ronan

[Phaedrus45]

*Adam X

*Ronan

*Debrii - (I never got the idea in reading New Warriors that Debrii would really concern herself with being such a good guy to care about others more than herself.)

*Doctor Octopus - (Hard decision; but, JH convinced me.)

[kytrigger]

Ronan
Adam X
Gorgeous George
Doc Ock

[JewishHobbit]

Adam X
Doc Ock
Hellstrom
Gorgeous George

[Ahura Mazda]

Adam X
Doc Ock
Hellstrom
Gorgeous George