Batman Triumphant

[House_of_El]

I didnt see any other thread on this so I thought I would make one. Batman Triumphant was to be the sequel to the critically and commercially unsuccessful film "Batman & Robin."Joel Shumacher was to direct the film. The Scarecrow was set to be the main villain of the film, with actors such as Howard Stern, Jeremy Irons, and Steve Buscemi considered for the part. Also the film would of had Jack Nicholson reprise his role as The Joker, who was killed by Batman in the first film and would haunt Bruce/Batman as a hallucination caused by Crane's toxin. Also it was rumored that Harley Quinn would appear as Joker's daughter instead of his lover as she is in the comics. George Clooney would have reprised his role as Batman and Chris O' Donnell would have reprised his role as Robin as well as Alicia Silverstone as Batgirl. The film would probably have Robin and Batgirl killed off at some point in the movie, which would return Batman to his solo roots once more.Also it was confirmed that it would be darker than the previous two.It was set for release in 1999 to coincide with Batman's 60th anniversary in the comics. But after the failure of Batman & Robin, the project was dropped.

What do you think this movie would have been like? Personally I would have seen it. It seems like Shumacher wanted to really redeem himself.

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by House_of_El

Batman Triumphant was to be the sequel to the critically and commercially unsuccessful film "Batman & Robin."

As far as I know, Batman 5 was never to be called Batman Triumphant.

Batman Triumphant was the original name for Batman 4 when Kilmer was still onboard.

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by House_of_El

I didnt see any other thread on this so I thought I would make one. Batman Triumphant was to be the sequel to the critically and commercially unsuccessful film "Batman & Robin."Joel Shumacher was to direct the film. The Scarecrow was set to be the main villain of the film, with actors such as Howard Stern, Jeremy Irons, and Steve Buscemi considered for the part. Also the film would of had Jack Nicholson reprise his role as The Joker, who was killed by Batman in the first film and would haunt Bruce/Batman as a hallucination caused by Crane's toxin. Also it was rumored that Harley Quinn would appear as Joker's daughter instead of his lover as she is in the comics. George Clooney would have reprised his role as Batman and Chris O' Donnell would have reprised his role as Robin as well as Alicia Silverstone as Batgirl. The film would probably have Robin and Batgirl killed off at some point in the movie, which would return Batman to his solo roots once more.Also it was confirmed that it would be darker than the previous two.It was set for release in 1999 to coincide with Batman's 60th anniversary in the comics. But after the failure of Batman & Robin, the project was dropped.

What do you think this movie would have been like? Personally I would have seen it. It seems like Shumacher wanted to really redeem himself.

Robin wouldn't have died. It was Warner Bros who pushed from the very beginning to have Robin in the films, and had Batman & Robin been a hit, they wouldn't have let him be killed off.

It's also not true that anyone was seriously considered for the Scarecrow. The movie was just not that far into pre-production.

There is some validity in the suggestion of Nicholson returning as the Joker. In a 1998 press conference, he announced, "The Joker is coming - and that's no laughing matter!"

Shumacher had also become so fascinated by CGI that he wanted to introduce Batmite, according to Total Film magazine.

[BatMatt]

I want to read the script, but alas its never been released

Okay, I really want to know about this movie, do you guys have any info? I was on Wikipedia and they basicly just said it was cancelled. Was there a script or anything? Plot outlines? I know the Joker was gonna come back.. but thats it. Do you think it would have been a good film?

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by _N0IR_

Okay, I really want to know about this movie, do you guys have any info? I was on Wikipedia and they basicly just said it was cancelled. Was there a script or anything? Plot outlines? I know the Joker was gonna come back.. but thats it. Do you think it would have been a good film?

Number one common misconception.....it was never called Batman Triumphant. That was an early title for Batman & Robin.

[Rockbottom]

From what ive read, it was suppose to have the Scarecrow drug Batman, but it knocks him out and makes him dream that all the past criminals are back, including Joker and also Harley Quinn was to be included. Good concept (next to B&R) but under Shumakers direction and Clooneys Batman, it was never gonna be a good film.

[Agentsands77]

Originally Posted by Kevin Roegele

Number one common misconception.....it was never called Batman Triumphant. That was an early title for Batman & Robin.

Yeah... wasn't the title BATMAN: DARKNIGHT? I remember seeing a prototype logo that had been developed for it.

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by Agentsands77

Yeah... wasn't the title BATMAN: DARKNIGHT? I remember seeing a prototype logo that had been developed for it.

Yes is was, good call.

[Kevin Roegele]

It's important here to remember that Schumacher's plans for Batman 5 changed considerably over time. At first it was a straight sequel to B&R, then it became darker (he said he, 'owed the fans' the Batman movie they wanted). Then he was the first to suggest a Year One movie to the Warner Bros board, which did go into some stage of pre-production.


Anyway, here is what Total Film magazine reported in the late 90's:

- The Scarecrow makes Batman hallucinate previous enemies, although the only actor genuinely considered for this was Jack Nicholson

- Nicholson said in a 1997 press-conference, "The Joker is coming, and that's no laughing matter." He also told the press he wrote a storyline of how the Joker could return.

- Harley Quinn would either be the Joker's wife or daughter, out for revenge.

- Dick goes to college where he find Jonathan Crane doing fear experiments.

- Batmobile chases the Scarecrow on horseback thru dark woods in a homage to Sleepy Hollow (not the film).

- Schumacher was so fascinated by CGI he wanted to create Batmite.

- Would have been Schumacher's last movie.

[Van Petrol]

Originally Posted by Agentsands77

Yeah... wasn't the title BATMAN: DARKNIGHT? I remember seeing a prototype logo that had been developed for it.

I heard it was going to be called "Batman: The Dark Knight".

[Agentsands77]

Originally Posted by Batarang

I heard it was going to be called "Batman: The Dark Knight".

I'm 99.9% sure it was the single word, "Darknight" (though of course, this was a working title). As I said before, I saw the prototype logo.

[Furious Styles]

Isn't this somewhat reminiscent of Timothy Dalton's third outing as Bond, where everyone today assumes it was going to be called "A Property of A Lady" even though there is no indication that it would infact be given that title.

Although the fact that Nicholson confirmed his return as The Joker is absolutely mindblowing.

[Agentsands77]

Originally Posted by Furious Styles

Although the fact that Nicholson confirmed his return as The Joker is absolutely mindblowing.

Yeah... and I remember when he did that. I was jazzed.

Originally Posted by Kevin Roegele

It's important here to remember that Schumacher's plans for Batman 5 changed considerably over time. At first it was a straight sequel to B&R, then it became darker (he said he, 'owed the fans' the Batman movie they wanted). Then he was the first to suggest a Year One movie to the Warner Bros board, which did go into some stage of pre-production.


Anyway, here is what Total Film magazine reported in the late 90's:

- The Scarecrow makes Batman hallucinate previous enemies, although the only actor genuinely considered for this was Jack Nicholson

- Nicholson said in a 1997 press-conference, "The Joker is coming, and that's no laughing matter." He also told the press he wrote a storyline of how the Joker could return.

- Harley Quinn would either be the Joker's wife or daughter, out for revenge.

- Dick goes to college where he find Jonathan Crane doing fear experiments.

- Batmobile chases the Scarecrow on horseback thru dark woods in a homage to Sleepy Hollow (not the film).

- Schumacher was so fascinated by CGI he wanted to create Batmite.

- Would have been Schumacher's last movie.

Sounds really cool! Would batmite have been an halucination of Dick?

[Texas Ranger]

yeah it was going to be called batman triuphant

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by Furious Styles

Although the fact that Nicholson confirmed his return as The Joker is absolutely mindblowing.

He never confirmed it. When asked about his Joker statement, he just brushed it off and said it didn't mean anything.

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by _N0IR_

Sounds really cool! Would batmite have been an halucination of Dick?

Who knows? Logically I can only think he would be in someone's hallucination.

Didn't someone say he told them
"Joker's coming back, and thats no laughing matter."

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by _N0IR_

Didn't someone say he told them
"Joker's coming back, and thats no laughing matter."

Yes, at a press conference, but that's not the same as saying, "I've signed to appear in the next Batman movie." No actual confirmation of anything ever appeared.

okay.
Well, it didn't happen..
I really wish it did..
Schumacher could have made a really good Year One, he would have used the Fabric suit too I bet..

[El Payaso]

Simple. It would be the same plot than in BF, repeated in B&R, only with more crappy characters.

[Nepenthes]

Well if Batman&Robin was exponentially worse than Batman Forever, then Batman Triumphant would have been horrible on a level indescribable by contemporary mathematics.


that analogy sounded better in my head

[Cobblepot]

Originally Posted by Kevin Roegele

It's important here to remember that Schumacher's plans for Batman 5 changed considerably over time. At first it was a straight sequel to B&R, then it became darker (he said he, 'owed the fans' the Batman movie they wanted). Then he was the first to suggest a Year One movie to the Warner Bros board, which did go into some stage of pre-production.


Anyway, here is what Total Film magazine reported in the late 90's:

- The Scarecrow makes Batman hallucinate previous enemies, although the only actor genuinely considered for this was Jack Nicholson

- Nicholson said in a 1997 press-conference, "The Joker is coming, and that's no laughing matter." He also told the press he wrote a storyline of how the Joker could return.

- Harley Quinn would either be the Joker's wife or daughter, out for revenge.

- Dick goes to college where he find Jonathan Crane doing fear experiments.

- Batmobile chases the Scarecrow on horseback thru dark woods in a homage to Sleepy Hollow (not the film).

- Schumacher was so fascinated by CGI he wanted to create Batmite.

- Would have been Schumacher's last movie.

All sounds great, except for the mite offcourse...

[Two-Face]

Originally Posted by Kevin Roegele

It's important here to remember that Schumacher's plans for Batman 5 changed considerably over time. At first it was a straight sequel to B&R, then it became darker (he said he, 'owed the fans' the Batman movie they wanted). Then he was the first to suggest a Year One movie to the Warner Bros board, which did go into some stage of pre-production.

Anyway, here is what Total Film magazine reported in the late 90's:

The Scarecrow makes Batman hallucinate previous enemies, although the only actor genuinely considered for this was Jack Nicholson

Bit like Batman Begins where Scarecrow hallucinates Batman in Narrow apartment.

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Nicholson said in a 1997 press-conference, "The Joker is coming, and that's no laughing matter." He also told the press he wrote a storyline of how the Joker could return.

Cool I would love to read that storyline.

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Harley Quinn would either be the Joker's wife or daughter, out for revenge.

Wife or daughter? that sounds crap, she's nothging like that in TAS or comics.

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Dick goes to college where he find Jonathan Crane doing fear experiments.

Cool but what about Babara?

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Batmobile chases the Scarecrow on horseback thru dark woods in a homage to Sleepy Hollow (not the film).

I don't like that at all.

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Schumacher was so fascinated by CGI he wanted to create Batmite.

NO I'm glad that didn't happen.

- Would have been Schumacher's last movie

Yay! Batman & Robin was crap enough and BT would been bit better.