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Old 07-29-2009, 09:33 PM   #1
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Small week for me, although with all the books being $4 it quickly adds up a little. People who left comics back in 1999 when comics were still, well, $1.99 are probably laughing at some of us hard cores now. 150% price jumps in 10 years. Is gas even that high now?

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DARK REIGN: YOUNG AVENGERS #3:
The annual Young Avengers series by Cornell & Brooks, the mini reaches the midway point and I do see things clicking here. The first issue was focused on introducing the "New" Young Avengers, or rather a group of super-powered teenage misfits who want to be like them. The second issue had them meet, and the third issue delves into both a bit. Still, it is worth noting that YOUNG AVENGERS PRESENTS was the only YA mini since 2006 that didn't have the YA compete for panel time. They spent two years teaming up with the Runaways in mini's, and while this series bares their names, it isn't really about them, but the Young Soon-To-Be Masters of Evil. I would see it as a bit of an editorial problem that the YA almost never have a story about themselves entirely, even in mini's that attach to the yearly event. Stature and Vision Jr. heading to MIGHTY AVENGERS may have been the best thing for them.

That said, I am starting to warm up on this story a little. Cornell is trying to be a bit quirky and have fun with it. I'd argue the YA have had so little genuine material unto themselves since their ongoing ended in 2005 that now isn't the time to act like they are already passe' and you have to paste over the flaws. They're still almost cipher level characters. In two years the Runaways have done more than this team have done in four. And Marvel wonders why sales momentum is waning.

After meeting and briefly fighting last issue, the Young Avengers have a "try-out" day with the new team when HYDRA terrorists seemingly attack the city in seperate raids. Stature doesn't get along with the skin-head-esque Big Zero, and doesn't buy her excuses to the contrary. Patriot sees that Melter is timid but at least doesn't want to accidentally hurt people with his powers (even if he did "accidentally" kill an old lady in issue #1). Hulkling and Wiccan meet with Enchantress and she claims that she's really Sylvia Lushton from Oklahoma (the state Thor and his New Asgard used to be set in) who suddenly awoke with magical powers and donned the fake accent to fit in; later she tells Melter this was a lie, however. Which is which? Kate Bishop finds out that she actually goes to the same private school as Executioner, who assumes there is a connection between them and all but uses knowledge of her identity to try to blackmail his way in with them. He's basically a protege of the Punisher. Fortunately, they only fought robots this issue.

Out of all the actual Young Avengers, Speed borders on getting the most background (and he's the basest of the team), if only because he went to juvie with Coat Of Arms, and is attracted to her. She's a bit of an odd duck, seeing superheroing as "art" but unsure of what direction she wants to take it. She also literally stumbled onto her "coat" in an alley. Vision and Egghead immediately clash because Big Zero has fuddled with Egghead's programming so much, he's virtually insane. The Young Avengers all meet to "assess" the new kids and basically split on them; feeling Melter, Enchantress, and maybe Coat Of Arms having potential, but the others being unstable maniacs in waiting. The new kids, despite Melter and Enchantress' pleas, seem uninterested in sucking up to the YA, while Coat still is conflicted.

The issue ends with a decent twist; Osborn having faked the HYDRA attack to test the new teens, and having watched them from afar. He knows Executioner is the son of minor villainess Princess Python (who seems to have gotten better after being blind and reliant on her husband Grizzly in PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL last year), and likely gave Coat her, uh, coat after he was surprised by her Green Goblin artwork in issue two. He hasn't outright outlawed the Young Avengers yet but will likely exploit these new kids to do so.

Mark Brooks' art is as you would expect. His faces are a little similar but he draws action well, and has a style for younger heroes. The fact that there are two inkers and three colorists, though, suggests a rush to meet deadline. Which is fine so long as it is met. The art overall was consistent.

The story has grown on me from issue one to now, and it is nice to see more of the YA in a mini that actually bares their name. The dilemma is that the new kids are the major focus and not all of them are terribly strong. They, or most of them seem set up as foils and while pacing the story mostly from their POV is interesting, part of me wonders if Cornell is being too clever for his own good on a franchise that is itself still in an infancy stage and doesn't always need such tricks. It isn't Cornell's fault that Marvel has set on this franchise for some four years waiting for Allen Heinberg to so much as sneeze a co-plot out, but it is a real world issue none the less. Still, part of me is impressed that Cornell has apparently complicated the life of a minor villain like Princess Python. This issue had more of the actual YA intertwined with the new kids and that helped too. It is a bit of a shame that the YA franchise has been so neglected that Cornell trying something a bit quirky is more awkward than it has to be. Maybe not worth "$4 an issue because it's a mini", but I'm enjoying it overall, least as of now.

FANTASTIC FOUR #569: The Mark Millar era of FF comes to an end with this oversized issue; 38 pages for $4, which is a fair package. Originally intending to be a 12 issue run, Millar and Hitch decided on "extending" it to 16-18 issues. In hindsight that was likely a mistake. Sales fell to middling FF levels very quickly and Marvel would be so eager to finish this on time that they've had Stuart Immonen do this final issue, since Hitch is on the "more important" REBORN, and Mark Millar's being co-written with Joe Ahearne, the fellow tasked with the even-more-mistimed-and-disappointing FANTASTIC FORCE mini.

Millar and Hitch easily could have done their run in 12 issues. They could have trimmed the X-Mas two parter (that shipped in Spring), as well as other issues here and there. The finale to this run is a bit of a mess. Some excessive double-page spreads were clearly intended more for Hitch than Immonen, even though the art is quite good. Honestly part of me prefers Immonen here.

The story is a mess because Mark Millar obviously thinks he is Gerber, trucking characters and ideas from one series to the next and assuming that you read them all or that it won't matter. Marquis of Death, the big boringly omnipotent villain with the completely too silly to take serious name, has chewed out Dr. Doom and is setting about destroying the Fantastic Four, which is something of a hobby to him across the Multiverse. Clyde Wyncham, who apparently is this boring omnipotent reality warping mutant from such classics as 1985 and OLD MAN LOGAN, soon to be in the quarter bins at a local shop near you, eventually becomes Musket of Dandruff in the future. Reed doesn't have the stones to kill Clyde while he has him locked in the basement, and so his future self seeks to make Reed pay. So you have pages and pages of the Four fighting alternate versions of themselves that is very much Millar; some fighting scenes, a few attempts at pithy dialogue, but ultimately meaning little. There are pages of Clyde and Muppet of Defenstration have this sort of "psychic/reality showdown" that just completely fall flat and just provide an excuse for how the Four beat this guy. To be fair, there are two decent ideas in this issue. The first is Reed basically using the power from the hundreds of alternate Four's to "Power Up" his team a thousandfold for about 20 seconds to beat the villain.

As I predicted, his apprentice is Doom himself, having survived being eaten alive from the dawn of time and hiding himself for centuries until he could finally triumph over his master. It would impress me that Dr. Doom pulled that off, if there was ever any doubt that he would, that Dr. Doom is bigger than even Millar himself. Doom supposedly is now so powerful he no longer considers himself rivals with the Four, but that won't and doesn't matter. And here has been the problem here; Mark Millar's gimmick is taking a franchise and doing his own thing, regardless of whether it makes sense. Lots of explosions and picking at the pieces. The problem is the Four are too iconic for that, and I think he likes them too much. But Millar can't simply come up with a new way to write comics. So instead you have Millar doing an imitation of some of his own stories, a Millar Lite, and while it's a little less pretentious at times, it still isn't that hot. So he has explosions, but they don't matter. He has a big villain who says big things, but it doesn't matter. And he wastes Thing's personal life with a waste of space like Debbie, and it doesn't matter.

Yeah, surprised that the wedding doesn't happen? In the other decent idea of the comic, Thing calls it off because he's realized that while superheroes always live, their mates almost never do; Spider-Man, Bruce Banner, Daredevil and Namor all providing proof of that. Hell, Daredevil seems to lose women he just buys coffee from at Starbucks to Bullseye. Therefore, Thing figures it's inevitable that Debbie would get mutilated or killed if they continued together, so he calls it off. It's a very Bendis way of taking a genre expectation and sort of blaming it on something other than real world issues. It does come close to working, but I might have taken is better if Thing, who has literally met God, continued, "It's almost as if whoever runs our universe never wants us to be happy with a dame, like they're afraid o' letting us grow up, even though they got dames themselves" and there was a big glowing image of a very Joe Q looking ONE WHO IS ABOVE ALL going, "I want your marriage...whoops, never-mind. Carry on." It is a well written scene; the problem is I never bought Debbie as a character, nor her relationship with Ben as real. She comes out of nowhere and aside for her job and her design, has no character; just Normal Debbie from Brooklyn. It starts with the implication being that she's exploiting her Lottery style chance of dating a superhero for some fame and perks, but quickly becomes so mushy that you want her to die already, and then suddenly becomes troubled, because it has to be. Johnathon Hickman has already returned Alicia Masters to the family in his DARK REIGN mini, so I expect Debbie to fade away into obscurity like the tacted on detail that she is. Millar could have tried to do this story with Alicia, but chose not to. And I honestly don't care why.

Millar and the Four turned out to be a mismatch. It's not his worst work but it's become mired in the "who cares" mire as some of his other needlessly ambitious stories. Up next is the Hickman run and I am curious as to what he'll bring to the table.

TERROR, INC: APOCALYPSE SOON #4: David Lapham's sequel to his surprisingly good TERROR, INC. MAX mini of last year concludes and it wasn't as good as the original, despite being a bit louder as a story with more explosions. Much like a sequel. The art was far more inconsistent, with Koi Turnbull needing fill-in help for the last two issues. At first you might think it was Turnbull's inability to meet his deadlines, but Marvel released two issues of this comic in 4 weeks at one point. Was there a reason to rush it so much? Was it essential that a MAX mini that'll sell under 10k copies wraps in 3 months vs. 4 for a four issue tale? Fortunately this time Juan Doe does back up art and things stay okay. The artist who did the last few pages of issue three was too sketchy.

Terror, Ms. Primo, and their Muslim allies are stuck in the cave of another immortal monster, Zahhak, trying to find the cure from the Plague, which is spread by his equally immortal and even more insane Aban. Terror is seemingly torn to shreds, but Primo is always handy with spare body parts, and they trick Zahhak into finding Aban for them. Turns out the cure was his...urine. A bit gross and random, yes. Aban just wants to kill the whole world until their ally Mahboobullah sacrifices his body to give Terror a fresh one to TKO Aban with. Father and son are trapped together in a cave for the next 500 years, and Primo gets Terror some New Spice Deodorant so he doesn't smell like a corpse all the time.

There's a dark sense of humor about it, but the last story delved more into Terror's past and seemed more potent as a result. This was just another loud adventure, which would have been fine with more consistent art. As it is it seems like a hastily put together sequel. I wouldn't mind a third go so long as Lapham gets some reliable art and a story that seems a little less procedural. Still, there is some life in Mr. Terror yet.

WAR OF KINGS: ASCENSION #4: Abnett & Lanning wrap up their four issue mini altering Darkhawk and trying to amp him up in much the same way they and Keith Giffen amped up Nova in the original ANNIHILATION. They may not have succeeded yet but they have created a somewhat more interesting status quo for him than being a forgotten C-List hero on Earth. It is a bit of a shame his stint with the Loners had to come to an end, but he may be off for bigger things. Abnett & Lanning have only just begun with him, and with WAR OF KINGS in general likely outselling CONQUEST, I don't see Marvel booting the pair from their space line anytime soon. While I doubt Darkhawk will get an ongoing out of this again, as his was probably the weakest selling WOK cog so far, he could easily show in in NOVA or GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY, the latter being a fun gathering of wayward misfit space heroes (and Jack Flag).

The issue, after how the last one ended, wasn't a major surprise. Chris Powerll reclaims control of his body and his Amulet with the aid of memories of his father as well as Jeeku, the Skrull commander whose body is now Talon's host. Unfortunately, he did so right after his Raptor counterpart, Razor, had assassinated Lilandra, and he has a very pissed off Starjammer squad to contend with. In battle against them, it appears Chris can "reconfigure" his armor at will, to an anti-magnetic one to repell Polaris to the standard super bulky one shown on the cover. He manages to get past Havok but turns tail when Gladiator tries to fight him, and ends up going head to head against Talon, who caused this whole mess. He manages to purge Talon from Jeeku's body, and the Skrull warrior sacrifices himself to keep the Raptor at bay. Darkhawk ends up lonelier than the Hulk in the 70's TV series; wanted for the murder of the beloved Shi'ar Empress, and tasked with the mission to find the other Raptor amulets and making sure they don't arise to muck with the universe again. Someone play that "Lonely Man" theme as Darkhawk hitch-hikes in space to the credits.

Come to think of it, the GOTG are about the only team that might believe Darkhawk's story.

Alves' art is great as usual; he was the regular artist on NOVA for a while, and has plenty of experience with space and Darkhawk. The irony in many a space story is they usually serve to show how much potential us humans have compared to other aliens who don't quite get us or are difference, and it was't the usual tropes that were Chris' strength in the end; it was his chaotic human temper that the Amulet couldn't handle. Once he learned how to harness it properly, it was game over. I wouldn't have minded Jeeku surviving in Talon's body to give Chris someone to talk to in the next go, and because too few Skrulls are layered beyond Token Enemies, but I understand why Talon had to go. Darkhawk is the last of his kind again just as he was before, he just has a new understanding of what exactly he is the last of. It took quite a few retcons but in the end I think it leaves Darkhawk in a better place than before, which is ultimately the ideal of a retcon anyway. I look forward to what Abnett & Lanning have in store for the character in the future.

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Detective Comics #855: It seemed like most people loved the first issue of this arc. I heard almost loving for positive love for it, and I didn't see it. I liked the first issue for sure, but I can't say I was as blown away as most acted. This issue changes my view a little. Still not quite blown away by it, but I still enjoyed it a lot. Alice is creepier as ****, and apparently likes holding poisoned razorblades under her tongue. I'm pretty interested to see where this all goes.

And this art...this art is just...yeah, it's just that good. I love it really, especially when we get into the trippy poison fantasy. It's just lovely stuff.

Also enjoying The Question back-up. Not too crazy on the art for that, though, but it's still enjoyable enough

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Blackest Night: Tales of the Corps #3 was pretty awesome, as I’ve already mentioned in the Blackest Night thread. From my “green” perspective, New Blood was a nice way to get me more invested in Kilowog. Daddy’s Girl was another keeper, even if it could’ve done with a page or two more to decompress that ending. No complaints here.

I liked Fantastic 4 #569. I’ve only purchased this issue and one other from Millar and Hitch’s run, so maybe the complaints are valid. But as a standalone experience, this was kinda cool. That fight between the Marquis of Death (which keeps on getting confused with the Marquis de Sade in my head) and his former self? Two words: My avatar. Oh, and Doom survived a Megalodon attack on hatred alone, spent millions of years becoming a bigger mother hubbard, and then rearranged his molecular structure (acquiring a golden pimp cane along the way) so he could spend centuries becoming the ultimate bad guy? Yeah, it sounds juvenile. But it also makes Doom an even bigger threat in my eyes. I’ve read older comics and I like Doom, but now it feels like he could take on the Marvel Universe if he cared enough to. I wanna see where they go with that. The wedding subplot wasn’t that hot, though. You can tell Millar’s strength is in ideas, while the quiet beats feel a little forced and artificial. Still, I’m happy I bought it.

Also: About the whole “Marquis of Death” thing. It doesn’t bother me. Why? Well, I bought a comic book called “Fantastic 4” where a guy named Doctor Doom does battle with Mister Fantastic, the Human Torch, the Invisible Woman, and- get this- “the Thing.” Is his name silly? Sure, but it’s consistent with the loopy names Stan used to whip up back in the day. I think of it as homage.

Superman #690 was the only book in my stack that I wasn’t really feelin’. So…Steel. Atlas. Big fight. Ominous portents, followed by a series of seemingly unrelated events. Maybe if you’ve been reading this title from the beginning this is a big payoff for the ongoing New Krypton storyline. But I’d like to see more Kryptonian action or at least some interesting character beats as opposed to…well, this.

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This week's Wonder Woman went a ways toward making me reconsider dropping it. I've decided that I love Simone's Wonder Woman, but I'm indifferent to Simone's plots. She hasn't had Wonder Woman do anything that's made me really sit up and go "yeah, this is an awesome Wonder Woman comic" the way Rucka's run or George Perez's first arc after Crisis on Infinite Earths did.

But, since this issue was decidedly light on plot and heavy on interplay between Diana and Black Canary, it was great. Diana, being largely asexual through most of her post-Crisis existence, is plausibly ignorant of her status as one of America's top sex symbols, which made for some funny cracks from Dinah. I'd say Dinah steals the show, but Simone provides some inner monologue throughout the issue for Diana that is equally enjoyable as any of Dinah's quips. The sequence at the beginning, with the two polar bears, was absolutely pitch-perfect Wonder Woman, even though I didn't particularly like the plot developments from the previous arc that got her to that point.

Some things I didn't like as much: The revelation about T. O. Morrow being a Holocaust survivor, which I'm 99% sure is a retcon, kind of came out of left field and felt awkward, like Simone thought Wonder Woman's compassion for her enemies just wasn't enough justification for Morrow to help and needed that extra little oomph. Problem is, Wonder Woman's compassion and the horror that Genocide became were more than enough reason for me to believe Morrow would help, so making him a Jew who's opposed to Genocide because he's experienced genocide himself felt like Simone was milking an easy source of sympathy for no reason. But it's relatively minor, so it didn't bother me too much; also, if it wasn't Simone's retcon, just ignore this whole paragraph.

The plot was predictably meh-tastic--Diana goes to Black Canary for help in infiltrating a superhuman fight club because that's where Dr. Psycho is hiding out. Roulette runs it, so I'm looking forward to her possibly getting involved in future issues because I like her. The people Diana and Dinah run across in this issue, however, are bland--one's a dude who has gooey skin that he can control, the other is a fairly generic robot built by Professor Ivo. Wonder Woman destroys the latter by unknown means, setting up a mystery that probably won't may or may not be interesting. She also displays a bit of racism toward robots, given that she has no compunctions about killing the robot when, in fact, she knows several robots who are very much alive, including the Tomorrow Woman, another Ivo creation who turned out to have one of the noblest, most heroic souls in the superhero community. But I really like robot characters, so that probably only bugged me.

Lopresti's art seems like it's getting better every issue. He's a really fantastic artist, and I hope he sticks around. Wonder Woman's sales make her comic not exactly a choice gig for big-name comic creators, so it's rare that she gets really high-quality artists; Drew Johnson, the artist through much of Rucka's run, was solid but his work wasn't quite as tight or dynamic as Lopresti's. So I'm glad Lopresti's so good but hasn't quite gotten the recognition for it that he deserves just yet--it puts him in the perfect position to make Wonder Woman look great.

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Good to hear about WW. So far its been good bad and ugly(genocide) all at the same time. I think everyone has felt the same about this book its written well, but the plots kinda dumb/unfocused maybe it will play out better in the long run. glad to hear its a good issue cause this book has been teetering back and forth on most people's drop list for a while

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The part with the robot actually bugged me quite a bit (Is that...a pun? Hmm, no, probably not). We could possibly explain it by saying that, since the robot was an evil torturous murdering b****, her personal instinct was to kill it anyway whether it was robot or not. And when she found out that it was a robot, she was all "Oh thank gods, a robot," since at least now she can kill it without Superman and the world throwing a hissy fit at her for killing an evil torturous murdering b****.

But that's just a fanwank. The fact is that the scene reads completely like Diana thinks killing blatantly-sentient androids is much more better than killing humans, despite knowing a bunch of blatantly-sentient androids. The whole "Prepare to face oblivion, you not-human thing, you!" portion was particularly disturbing. 'Cause apparently robots don't have a place in afterlives or anything, 'cause they don't have souls! In spite of the couple of robots she knows that, y'know, do have souls.

The rest of the issue was, yeah, pretty great -- loved the part where Dinah was like, hey, Zeus is kind of a "hosebag" soooo...what's the big deal? -- and Simone seems to be able to write an awesome Diana overall, but this is just one of those alarming tidbits that pop up every so often that just makes me think she's inevitably missing something really important that's been repeatedly detracting from her run. We repeatedly cross the character line from "hardcore" to "bloodthirsty," and Simone is intent on reminding people at every possible opportunity that, hey, WARRIOR WARRIOR WARRIOR, like the very worst of the 90s offenders. I know I've said it before and I keep harping on it, but this is really the heart of it, and it's the one thing I would have thought Simone of all people would have been able to avoid. Even that bit about Themysciran operas always ending in injuries was just...what? Seriously, woman?

Meh, I can't wait for Blackest Night: Wonder Woman.

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Ultimatum #5 really wasn't that bad. The issue had some pretty cool scenes in it...although, I am sure there will be more than a few people who will be upset with the ease at which
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The part with the robot actually bugged me quite a bit (Is that...a pun? Hmm, no, probably not). We could possibly explain it by saying that, since the robot was an evil torturous murdering b****, her personal instinct was to kill it anyway whether it was robot or not. And when she found out that it was a robot, she was all "Oh thank gods, a robot," since at least now she can kill it without Superman and the world throwing a hissy fit at her for killing an evil torturous murdering b****.

But that's just a fanwank. The fact is that the scene reads completely like Diana thinks killing blatantly-sentient androids is much more better than killing humans, despite knowing a bunch of blatantly-sentient androids. The whole "Prepare to face oblivion, you not-human thing, you!" portion was particularly disturbing. 'Cause apparently robots don't have a place in afterlives or anything, 'cause they don't have souls! In spite of the couple of robots she knows that, y'know, do have souls.

The rest of the issue was, yeah, pretty great -- loved the part where Dinah was like, hey, Zeus is kind of a "hosebag" soooo...what's the big deal? -- and Simone seems to be able to write an awesome Diana overall, but this is just one of those alarming tidbits that pop up every so often that just makes me think she's inevitably missing something really important that's been repeatedly detracting from her run. We repeatedly cross the character line from "hardcore" to "bloodthirsty," and Simone is intent on reminding people at every possible opportunity that, hey, WARRIOR WARRIOR WARRIOR, like the very worst of the 90s offenders. I know I've said it before and I keep harping on it, but this is really the heart of it, and it's the one thing I would have thought Simone of all people would have been able to avoid. Even that bit about Themysciran operas always ending in injuries was just...what? Seriously, woman?

Meh, I can't wait for Blackest Night: Wonder Woman.
Damn, I thought you were actually enjoying Simone's Wonder Woman more than I was. We seem to have similar thoughts about Wonder Woman. The line she walks between loving, merciful saint and hardcore warrior is definitely not easy to convey, though. Maybe Simone's still feeling her way to the right mix.

The reason I thought I might be blowing the robot thing out of proportion is because I believe the robot chick mentioned she was "programmed for cruelty" or something like that. I figured maybe that was to let us know that she's really not sentient. Still, she displays a pretty authentic personality, so it still seemed like killing her would beg some question of morality.

I didn't mind the Themysciran opera thing too much, though. I took it more as a joke between friends. I mean, black people don't really all love watermelon and fried chicken, but I've had black friends joke about it because of the existing stereotype. Not everything in Themyscira is built around violence, I'm sure, but the stereotype probably makes for a decent joke between friends who know better.

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I probably am enjoying the overall plot more than you and have more faith in the eventual payoff, but I've long since abandoned the hope that this is going to be an flawless, or even comfortable, WW run. Although, I'd still put it amongst the top five or so WW runs (For all that entails. As we know, the competition isn't...that fierce).

I feel like Simone knows, intellectually, all about the warrior-diplomat dichotomy; she certainly knows enough to have Diana drone about it every once in a while in a text box. But, imo, at heart all she really gets about the character is the warrior-warrior dichotomy. Even when she's a diplomat, it always seems to occur and fall within the context of a battle. Once again, she has no interests -- no personality -- that doesn't begin and end with fighting, 'cause she's an Amazon, and Amazons fight and kill. At first I thought all this bloodthirstiness is an ongoing character arc brought on by the Shamazons era that Diana was going to confront and eventually overcome, but it seems by now that it's Simone's genuine baseline personality for the character. And that's terrible.

And I had to raise an eyebrow at the fact that the "trashy disguise" Dinah comes up for Diana reveals about 90% less skin than her normal costume. Cute moment, of course, but misses the opportunity for some real scathing commentary.

Mayperhapsbe I'm overthinking all this. It's kind of ironic that I'm whining so much about an issue that, overall, I enjoyed.

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I think it's the issues that I enjoy with reservations that I whine about the most. Because they could've been great if not for just one or two little flaws that grow and gnaw at you, mocking the enjoyment you got out of the issue with the potential enjoyment you could've gotten if not for them. "It was so close," they seem to say. "If not for us, it'd be perfect. Think about that while you try to sleep tonight, knowing how good this issue could've been and that we'll never, ever go away."

The little bastards.

I noticed that about Diana's disguise as well. Apparently, showing about a quarter of each buttcheek is preferable to showing about a quarter of each breast as far as Amazonian tastes go. Who knew?

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Well you know what they say, we wouldn't actually complain if it weren't something we cared about. I've been reading Spider-Man, for instance, and think it's been so terrible that only crazy wolf people could possibly like it. But I'm [probably] not going to go on and on about it 'cause I just don't care at all.

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Haha, fair enough. Why do you keep reading it, out of curiosity?

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*shrug* People say it's good. "Oh no, just ignore the gigantic walloping elephant in the room that is OMD, focus instead on Harry Osborn and His Issues(tm), yet more Goblin babies 'cause that totally works, Jameson's stint as mayor devolving him back to the very basest of characters and characterizations, and somewhere in all this is Peter Parker struggling not to kill himself with every breath he takes." Extra demerits go to that first point, 'cause goddamn do I hate Harry Osborn at this point. He's like Carth Onasi with a legitimate vagina!

It's not really badly-written, it's just plots that make me want to run headlong into a wall. And the irony is that I know there's thousands of people who love it and more power to them, but no just no.

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Ah. Well, moraldeficiency told me Thunderbolts was good, which led to my picking up #132-134 at the shop this week. Thankfully, in my case, it actually was good. The new Thunderbolts aren't as unbearable as I expected them to be. Ghost is awesome. The only one I can't stand right now is Mr. X, but he's so arrogant that I think he has to get killed at some point, just to shut him the hell up. So I'm looking forward to that. The T-bolts aren't all cackling arch-fiends or bloodthirsty maniacs (again, except Mr. X); they're presented as just a bunch of guys (I thought "guys" but typed "people" to be PC, then realized they really are all guys except for Black Widow, whom I'm not talking about) doing a job. Mercs (without a mouth), basically. I'm cool with that. I like the blue-collar villains who are just trying to make a buck. Headsman, Paladin, and Ant-Man seem generally pretty amiable, too--the kind of guys you wouldn't mind having a beer with. Paladin and Ant-Man have a nice discussion of Ant-Man's crisis of conscience at the beginning of #134, in fact, that did more to make me like Ant-Man than any of his allegedly "funny" antics over the years.

Songbird shows up in #133. I guess she's been underground since Osborn tried to have her killed, but her conscience gets the better of her after HAMMER opens fire on unarmed and uncooperative civilians. It's nice to see her back in action and on a clearly moral path; I skipped Ellis' run, but I didn't even like the idea of her working alongside psychos like Osborn and Bullseye after all the work she did to redeem herself. Her role opposing the new Thunderbolts and Osborn in general feels right, though. She even pops in on Mach IV and the Fixer in #134, although the Fixer, content with his fat government defense contracts, refuses to help her and she realizes it's unfair to ask Abe after all the progress he's made.

Of course, intrigue and backstabbing are big parts of the series. It's fun to see the Black Widow play both sides and the Ghost just play everything ridiculously close to the vest because he's so paranoid. The big reveal at the end of #133 is that the Black Widow's secretly working for Nick Fury, and the big reveal at the end of #134 is that she's really the real Black Widow, not the blonde Johnny-come-lately who started using the name a few years ago. I guess they dropped a hint in #132, since Paladin and the Widow posed as ballet dancers and Mr. X commented that, while Paladin blew his cover by being relatively uncoordinated, the Widow was amazing (Natasha was a ballerina initially, but I don't think Yelena was ever connected to ballet). Even though you could see the reveal coming a bit, it worked out well. It's still a little awkward to me to see the Black Widow, whom I grew up with as a member of the Avengers who took the typical hardline heroic stance against killing, working with murderers and not really minding, I'm getting used to her in her role as a super-spy first and a superhero a distant, distant second and I'm finding it suits her.

The art was a mixed bag. Roberto De La Torre was fantastic on #132, just as he was on Iron Man a while back. Sepulveda, the guy who drew #133 and 134, wasn't quite as good. He has some sloppy faces and an awkward shading method that makes it look like he drew outlines of the characters, then shadows, then overlayed them on the backgrounds--his scenes don't really feel like cohesive wholes to me. Still, if I don't focus on it too much, his work is passable and his layouts are clear and easy to follow. I hope De La Torre's coming back, though.

Good few issues all around. Thanks for the recommendation, MD.

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It's nice to see her back in action and on a clearly moral path; I skipped Ellis' run, but I didn't even like the idea of her working alongside psychos like Osborn and Bullseye after all the work she did to redeem herself.
Her role in Ellis' run was basically as the sole person on the team (well, Radioactive Man too, but he was pretty background) who had anything resembling good intentions.

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Detective Comics #855

I have to say, for a book that has both a regular and a backup story, there's not a feeling of a huge amount going on. Batwoman's segment was a big improvement on the first issue, which I thought was middling; Alice is creepily well-realized, though, at the same time, this issue is basically a single extended scene of Batwoman watching and then fighting her. The Question II backups are really disappointing, given how fantastic Rucka's stuff with Renee in the past has been; there's so far absolutely nothing to set it apart from any other kidnap-investigation story. Anyway, the Batwoman story is increasingly involving, so I'll give it another issue.

Northlanders #19

Okay, speaking of "not much happening", there's this two-parter: some soldiers corner three chicks in a castle, they kill a bunch of them, then leave. And with really muddy art. The end. I really liked the first arc of this series, but since then I haven't been nearly as involved. Next issue will feature the return of Sven, though, so I'll stick around for that.

Wonder Woman #34

Pretty good; definitely a step up from the problematic conclusion to the last arc. Diana and Dinah being BFFs has been an idea that's floated around since the post-Crisis reboot by Perez, but the sum total of their actual interaction over the years mostly amounts to having been in the same place a few times; even when Simone herself wrote Dinah in Birds of Prey she only had Diana drop by once for eight or so pages. This is the first teamup story of any substance, and it's fairly fun (though Dinah seemed a bit more aggressively girly than I remember her in Birds of Prey). I actually found the two pages on Themyscira the most interesting; despite the previous arc being called "Rise of the Olympian", Achilles really didn't do much of anything there. It did establish he was a fairly reasonable chap trying to execute Zeus' orders as well as possible, even though he disagreed; that continues here. Lopresti continues to be a great fit for the book artistically.

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Not that it matters since I was the only one reading TERROR, INC: APOCALYPSE SOON, but I looked back at the issues and it changed from a 5 issue mini to a 4, which maybe was why some of the art was hastily filled in for some issues. Still, there was little reason to ship two issues in one month if that was the case.

As for the WW/Killing Robots thing, most superheroes don't consider Robots to "count". It doesn't matter if they know other robots or "androids" who are more or less real people. They'll still seek to destroy a robot if it's a villain. Much as Vampires "don't count" and even Spider-Man is willing to stake them if he must. Or demons or other "obviously not human" characters. BrianWilly in some other topic noted something to the effect of most superheroes being biased towards humans and humanoids and having far less compassion for anything that looks too bizarre or is too far separated from humanity, and he had a fair point.

That came up a little in this week's DARK REIGN: YOUNG AVENGERS #3 actually. Vision Jr. met Egghead and declared him psychotic and suggested he be shut down, despite of course being an android/living armor thing himself. He tried to defend his position by claiming that Egghead had been reprogrammed so many times that he was virtually insane. On the other hand, humans who are insane aren't automatically dismissed as expendable by the law and prone to execution; it's actually a huge legal hurdle to use harsh force on the mentally challenged and if they are ruled "mentally unfit for trial" they cannot be sentenced to death no matter the crime. Egghead naturally though Vision Jr. was a bit hypocritical, but he is very weird. And the lover of a Neo-Nazi.

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I'm reading Terror, Inc. as well. It's usually near the bottom of my pile, though, and I haven't read last month's issue yet, let alone this week's.
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Yeah, but that feels like hypocrisy to me. Having good intentions yet standing by while your teammates do terrible things (although they may not have actually acted on their murderous impulses much; I don't know since I haven't read Ellis' run) is at least as bad as doing those terrible things yourself to me.

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Yeah, but that feels like hypocrisy to me. Having good intentions yet standing by while your teammates do terrible things (although they may not have actually acted on their murderous impulses much; I don't know since I haven't read Ellis' run) is at least as bad as doing those terrible things yourself to me.
More like trying to make the best of a bad situation, I think; she tried to get Bullseye killed.

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Well, that's something.

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Ah. Well, moraldeficiency told me Thunderbolts was good, which led to my picking up #132-134 at the shop this week. Thankfully, in my case, it actually was good. The new Thunderbolts aren't as unbearable as I expected them to be. Ghost is awesome. The only one I can't stand right now is Mr. X, but he's so arrogant that I think he has to get killed at some point, just to shut him the hell up. So I'm looking forward to that. The T-bolts aren't all cackling arch-fiends or bloodthirsty maniacs (again, except Mr. X); they're presented as just a bunch of guys (I thought "guys" but typed "people" to be PC, then realized they really are all guys except for Black Widow, whom I'm not talking about) doing a job. Mercs (without a mouth), basically. I'm cool with that. I like the blue-collar villains who are just trying to make a buck. Headsman, Paladin, and Ant-Man seem generally pretty amiable, too--the kind of guys you wouldn't mind having a beer with. Paladin and Ant-Man have a nice discussion of Ant-Man's crisis of conscience at the beginning of #134, in fact, that did more to make me like Ant-Man than any of his allegedly "funny" antics over the years.

Songbird shows up in #133. I guess she's been underground since Osborn tried to have her killed, but her conscience gets the better of her after HAMMER opens fire on unarmed and uncooperative civilians. It's nice to see her back in action and on a clearly moral path; I skipped Ellis' run, but I didn't even like the idea of her working alongside psychos like Osborn and Bullseye after all the work she did to redeem herself. Her role opposing the new Thunderbolts and Osborn in general feels right, though. She even pops in on Mach IV and the Fixer in #134, although the Fixer, content with his fat government defense contracts, refuses to help her and she realizes it's unfair to ask Abe after all the progress he's made.

Of course, intrigue and backstabbing are big parts of the series. It's fun to see the Black Widow play both sides and the Ghost just play everything ridiculously close to the vest because he's so paranoid. The big reveal at the end of #133 is that the Black Widow's secretly working for Nick Fury, and the big reveal at the end of #134 is that she's really the real Black Widow, not the blonde Johnny-come-lately who started using the name a few years ago. I guess they dropped a hint in #132, since Paladin and the Widow posed as ballet dancers and Mr. X commented that, while Paladin blew his cover by being relatively uncoordinated, the Widow was amazing (Natasha was a ballerina initially, but I don't think Yelena was ever connected to ballet). Even though you could see the reveal coming a bit, it worked out well. It's still a little awkward to me to see the Black Widow, whom I grew up with as a member of the Avengers who took the typical hardline heroic stance against killing, working with murderers and not really minding, I'm getting used to her in her role as a super-spy first and a superhero a distant, distant second and I'm finding it suits her.

The art was a mixed bag. Roberto De La Torre was fantastic on #132, just as he was on Iron Man a while back. Sepulveda, the guy who drew #133 and 134, wasn't quite as good. He has some sloppy faces and an awkward shading method that makes it look like he drew outlines of the characters, then shadows, then overlayed them on the backgrounds--his scenes don't really feel like cohesive wholes to me. Still, if I don't focus on it too much, his work is passable and his layouts are clear and easy to follow. I hope De La Torre's coming back, though.

Good few issues all around. Thanks for the recommendation, MD.
Glad you liked it, figured you would based on how good the comic is. I want to be ghost minus the puke in the helmet thing when I grow up.

Ellis run you would have liked. Songbird and Radioactive man hated the new team and songbird was working towards taking them down. Also had a great songbird vs. Green Goblin showdown at the end. The characterization wasn't as off as you'd think (except the later plot with the psychics bringing out the worst in everyone, but then that's expected) and it had some great lines and dialogue. It's basically a good version of Dark Avengers.

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It wasn't as much she was trying to get bullseye killed, she just made him think he was free then let him hang himself. It fit with the character to use a passive manuever rather than to do something that would place her anywhere near his level.

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Under Rent/Thought, Ed Brubaker's Angel Of Death was just released on DVD this week. Kind of like Kill Bill Pt. 1, it has Zoe Bell as a hitwoman who gets involved in a hit-gone-wrong. (Not surprising that Zoe was Uma's stuntwoman in Kill Bill.) It's not a big budget movie, but was originally released as a web series on Crackle.com in 10 minute installments.

The picture is really is saved by Zoe Bell, who is perfectly cast in this role. And, Brubaker's script is decent, too; although, change of attitude Eve's character goes through after almost dying isn't fully developed or believable. I'd definitely say check it out...and, hopefully we'll see more of Zoe's character, Eve, in the near future.

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It wasn't as much she was trying to get bullseye killed, she just made him think he was free then let him hang himself. It fit with the character to use a passive manuever rather than to do something that would place her anywhere near his level.
Eh, she's still got a ways to go before she gets to her Avengers Forever incarnation, I suppose. I like her as she is now, with the overriding desire to do good but the slight hint of her villainous past still lurking underneath that, though.

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