Stop Motion Hulk

thorstone · 12-02-2006, 07:09 PM

This is the direction I'd take the look of the green Hulk (I'd have the Grey Hulk transformation with harder angles).

I just can't see any going back to a man in makeup and a suit. The only way they could do something like that is to get someone like Rick Baker or Stan Winston to create a fifteen foot tall free form animatronic puppet. Both have created some large animatronics in the past but never something so big and mobile at the same time.

So why do I think stop motion is the best direction? Computers have advanced in the past ten years, they can now be used to enhance mapping effects and stop motion-- rather than trying to do everything from scratch on the computer.

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Nivek · 12-02-2006, 09:29 PM

1- No 15 ft. tall Hulk. It's just too damn big.

2- Stop Motion? Sorry man, thats as dead as VHS, let's go forward.

3- Rick Baker WANTS to do the Hulk. If the produsers of this movie want it to be better FX wise, they would be fools not to hire him as FX designer and give him whatever he needs to do the Hulk justice.

thorstone · 12-03-2006, 12:54 AM

The Hulk has to be big; he has to be larger than any person.

I had no idea Baker wanted to do the Hulk.

I think it is time the new tech (CGI) be used to perfect the old (stop motion animation).

Walks Unseen · 12-03-2006, 02:23 AM

I think stop motion, even with the advanced computer technology we have today, would look a bit...weird.

Majik1387 · 12-03-2006, 02:24 AM

^Looked good in Corpse Bride.

Walks Unseen · 12-03-2006, 02:26 AM

But Corpse Bride was meant to look like stop motion. Can you really imagine a clay Hulk in a film today?? Really??

Majik1387 · 12-03-2006, 02:28 AM

I wouldn't rule it out till I saw a prototype, but I understand why some people wouldn't like to consider it.

Walks Unseen · 12-03-2006, 02:30 AM

I'm not saying not to consider it but I just don't see it working with a live action film like Hulk.

Abaddon · 12-03-2006, 02:52 AM

lol, I'm having flashbacks to Clash of the Titans.

Spider - Man · 12-03-2006, 07:11 AM

Isn't Rick Baker mainly a make-up effects guy?

thorstone · 12-03-2006, 05:42 PM

Baker made an incredible (sorry for the pun) puppet/bot for Mighty Joe Young, but it was as mobile as Jabba the Hutt.

Thanks to today's technology stop motion marionettes can fit in scenes with actors via blue screen and mapping just as well as any CGI character (you probably couldn't even tell in King Kong when the backgrounds were layers of miniatures and paintings-- the actors were simply dropped in later via computer). The issue with CGI is always, is it real enough, does it look fake-- with the stop motion model you never have an issue with detail because it is all fleshed out (I'd imagine the Hulk model used would be quite large).

Computers could be used to have Hulk interact with fluids, fire, and smoke. Perhaps his hair would be best done on the computers as well. Computers can do things like steel and buildings and make them look real but they don't handle flesh well.

I feel there must be a mix of all fields. Actors interact with CGI characters about as well as they have ever worked with marionettes-- when you have a scene where the actor must touch the monster (use a freaking puppet-- that is where Baker or Stan Winston come in).

Nivek · 12-03-2006, 06:12 PM

The biggest compositing issue with the Hulk wasn't how he matched up with everything, it was his color. Color tracking has a really hard time with green. Just keep him a static size and color, and there shouldn't be that much of a problem.

Stripesy Strip · 12-29-2006, 03:13 AM

If they get away from the CGI Hulk, and they actually get a person and put him in make-up and prostetics, it could be a stunning result. I've watched Ridley Scott's Legend recently and it had so many incredible make-up work in there, especially the awesomely scary filthy green witch. If they could do something of that level and have a practical methamorphosis like the one in the werewolf movie "The Howling" it could be as impressive as anything we've seen in the first Hulk movie.

DACMAN · 12-29-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nivek

1- No 15 ft. tall Hulk. It's just too damn big.

2- Stop Motion? Sorry man, thats as dead as VHS, let's go forward.

3- Rick Baker WANTS to do the Hulk. If the produsers of this movie want it to be better FX wise, they would be fools not to hire him as FX designer and give him whatever he needs to do the Hulk justice.

Nivek · 12-29-2006, 06:16 PM

It's kinda sad that people think Stop motion is a viable fx style to composite next to human actors. Watch any puppetmaster movie, it's dead. It's as bad as the people who used to come into the Suncoast I worked part time at and griped about why there was no VHS copies of new releases.

thorstone · 01-07-2007, 07:47 PM

I'd use the computer for morphing the actor into the Hulk-- one of the first good uses of CGI in a movie (Willow).

"Watch any puppetmaster movie, it's dead."

Why would you compare a big budget film to a twenty year old Full Moon flick?

The last time stop motion animation was used for a realistic creature effect in a bigger budgetted film was Coneheads-- and it looked more realistic than the Incredible Poodle.

atreestump · 02-10-2007, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by thorstone

This is the direction I'd take the look of the green Hulk (I'd have the Grey Hulk transformation with harder angles).

I just can't see any going back to a man in makeup and a suit. The only way they could do something like that is to get someone like Rick Baker or Stan Winston to create a fifteen foot tall free form animatronic puppet. Both have created some large animatronics in the past but never something so big and mobile at the same time.

So why do I think stop motion is the best direction? Computers have advanced in the past ten years, they can now be used to enhance mapping effects and stop motion-- rather than trying to do everything from scratch on the computer.

http://www.darkstrider.net/gallery2a.html

Dude Stop motion??? are you just starving for attention or something?
I mean seriously why even bring up that kind of obsolete and innaproproate kind of animation. next I bet you'd like comics to be all hand drawn right?

atreestump · 02-10-2007, 02:37 AM

am I the only one who liked what they did with the first hulk movie??

Majik1387 · 02-10-2007, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by atreestump

am I the only one who liked what they did with the first hulk movie??

No, I liked the movie depiste Josh Lucas

Brian Braddock · 02-10-2007, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by atreestump

am I the only one who liked what they did with the first hulk movie??

No, you're not. The CGI in the 1st film ranged in quality but at it's height (fore me, the best CGI was from breaking out of the underground base to being captured in San Fran) it was breathtaking, and that was with technology of 2002/03!

In answer to this thread, why go backwards and use stop-motion? It was great in it's day but has been made obsolete.............

comic_guy04 · 02-10-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stripesy Strip

If they get away from the CGI Hulk, and they actually get a person and put him in make-up and prostetics, it could be a stunning result. I've watched Ridley Scott's Legend recently and it had so many incredible make-up work in there, especially the awesomely scary filthy green witch. If they could do something of that level and have a practical methamorphosis like the one in the werewolf movie "The Howling" it could be as impressive as anything we've seen in the first Hulk movie.

Well if Rick Baker is in talks for VFX, then it'l be more like An American Werewolf in London. IMO its better than "The Howling" effects, and it won many awards. Rick Baker is good at making gruesome transformations.

PROLIFIK1 · 02-10-2007, 05:43 PM

I like the effects they used for the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen for the Dr. Hyde character. I really never looked up on how they did it, but seemed like a cross of Fx and prosthetics. Looked believeable in a lot of scenes.

I like what they did with that, wish they did it for the first Hulk film.

DACMAN · 02-10-2007, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thorstone

I'd use the computer for morphing the actor into the Hulk-- one of the first good uses of CGI in a movie (Willow).

Willow was THE first. Watch the special features.

ang_hulk · 03-16-2007, 12:50 AM

I dont think hulk should be a real person unless he can be about 10 feet,run in the suit,jump and punch on his own and have perfect flow into the cgi when its needed.The thing is cgi comes a long way even since the first hulk film.He they stick to him being blue suit driven itll be fine.

HULKFish · 03-16-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SUPERBENITEZ

No, you're not. The CGI in the 1st film ranged in quality but at it's height (fore me, the best CGI was from breaking out of the underground base to being captured in San Fran) it was breathtaking, and that was with technology of 2002/03!

In answer to this thread, why go backwards and use stop-motion? It was great in it's day but has been made obsolete.............

Good Take... Yeah, I agree and it's kind of a mook point, its not like that has been announced or anything. It's just this guys opinion, which I don't think would work.

CGI has come a long way since the first film. I have no doubt that everything will look perfect for this one! Not to mention the experience they have to apply now. Color = 1 , Size = 1 will undoubtedly make it much easier too.

12-02-2006, 07:09 PM	#1
thorstone Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 732	Stop Motion Hulk This is the direction I'd take the look of the green Hulk (I'd have the Grey Hulk transformation with harder angles). I just can't see any going back to a man in makeup and a suit. The only way they could do something like that is to get someone like Rick Baker or Stan Winston to create a fifteen foot tall free form animatronic puppet. Both have created some large animatronics in the past but never something so big and mobile at the same time. So why do I think stop motion is the best direction? Computers have advanced in the past ten years, they can now be used to enhance mapping effects and stop motion-- rather than trying to do everything from scratch on the computer. http://www.darkstrider.net/gallery2a.html

12-02-2006, 09:29 PM	#2
Nivek Banned User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central FL Posts: 14,850	Re: Stop Motion Hulk 1- No 15 ft. tall Hulk. It's just too damn big. 2- Stop Motion? Sorry man, thats as dead as VHS, let's go forward. 3- Rick Baker WANTS to do the Hulk. If the produsers of this movie want it to be better FX wise, they would be fools not to hire him as FX designer and give him whatever he needs to do the Hulk justice.

12-03-2006, 12:54 AM	#3
thorstone Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 732	Re: Stop Motion Hulk The Hulk has to be big; he has to be larger than any person. I had no idea Baker wanted to do the Hulk. I think it is time the new tech (CGI) be used to perfect the old (stop motion animation).

12-03-2006, 02:23 AM	#4
Walks Unseen Side-Kick Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 78	Re: Stop Motion Hulk I think stop motion, even with the advanced computer technology we have today, would look a bit...weird.

12-03-2006, 02:24 AM	#5
Majik1387 Casting Extraodinaire ;D Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Theme Park central Posts: 35,865	Re: Stop Motion Hulk ^Looked good in Corpse Bride. __________________ Batman Beyond Casting Call - Emily VanCamp is Sharon Carter - Alexa Davalos as Wonder Woman My Top 10 movies of 2012 Avengers - Perks of Being A Wallflower - Pitch Perfect Amazing Spider-Man - Cabin in the Woods - Rock of Ages Ruby Sparks - 21 Jump Street - ParaNorman - Hunger Games MY ART THREAD and my DEVIANT

12-03-2006, 02:26 AM	#6
Walks Unseen Side-Kick Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 78	Re: Stop Motion Hulk But Corpse Bride was meant to look like stop motion. Can you really imagine a clay Hulk in a film today?? Really??

12-03-2006, 02:28 AM	#7
Majik1387 Casting Extraodinaire ;D Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Theme Park central Posts: 35,865	Re: Stop Motion Hulk I wouldn't rule it out till I saw a prototype, but I understand why some people wouldn't like to consider it. __________________ Batman Beyond Casting Call - Emily VanCamp is Sharon Carter - Alexa Davalos as Wonder Woman My Top 10 movies of 2012 Avengers - Perks of Being A Wallflower - Pitch Perfect Amazing Spider-Man - Cabin in the Woods - Rock of Ages Ruby Sparks - 21 Jump Street - ParaNorman - Hunger Games MY ART THREAD and my DEVIANT

12-03-2006, 02:30 AM	#8
Walks Unseen Side-Kick Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 78	Re: Stop Motion Hulk I'm not saying not to consider it but I just don't see it working with a live action film like Hulk.

12-03-2006, 02:52 AM	#9
Abaddon Watching Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Riding an elephant in a snake Posts: 38,941	Re: Stop Motion Hulk lol, I'm having flashbacks to Clash of the Titans.

12-03-2006, 07:11 AM	#10
Spider - Man Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,373	Re: Stop Motion Hulk Isn't Rick Baker mainly a make-up effects guy? __________________ There is no better way to fight weakness than with strength. Iron never lies to you. You can get told that you’re a god or a total bastard. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds

12-03-2006, 05:42 PM	#11
thorstone Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 732	Re: Stop Motion Hulk Baker made an incredible (sorry for the pun) puppet/bot for Mighty Joe Young, but it was as mobile as Jabba the Hutt. Thanks to today's technology stop motion marionettes can fit in scenes with actors via blue screen and mapping just as well as any CGI character (you probably couldn't even tell in King Kong when the backgrounds were layers of miniatures and paintings-- the actors were simply dropped in later via computer). The issue with CGI is always, is it real enough, does it look fake-- with the stop motion model you never have an issue with detail because it is all fleshed out (I'd imagine the Hulk model used would be quite large). Computers could be used to have Hulk interact with fluids, fire, and smoke. Perhaps his hair would be best done on the computers as well. Computers can do things like steel and buildings and make them look real but they don't handle flesh well. I feel there must be a mix of all fields. Actors interact with CGI characters about as well as they have ever worked with marionettes-- when you have a scene where the actor must touch the monster (use a freaking puppet-- that is where Baker or Stan Winston come in).

12-03-2006, 06:12 PM	#12
Nivek Banned User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central FL Posts: 14,850	Re: Stop Motion Hulk The biggest compositing issue with the Hulk wasn't how he matched up with everything, it was his color. Color tracking has a really hard time with green. Just keep him a static size and color, and there shouldn't be that much of a problem.

12-29-2006, 03:13 AM	#13
Stripesy Strip Eat That, Jimmy Olsen! Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 841	Re: Stop Motion Hulk If they get away from the CGI Hulk, and they actually get a person and put him in make-up and prostetics, it could be a stunning result. I've watched Ridley Scott's Legend recently and it had so many incredible make-up work in there, especially the awesomely scary filthy green witch. If they could do something of that level and have a practical methamorphosis like the one in the werewolf movie "The Howling" it could be as impressive as anything we've seen in the first Hulk movie. __________________ I think X3 will be great because Jessica Simpson is hot.

12-29-2006, 06:16 PM	#15
Nivek Banned User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central FL Posts: 14,850	Re: Stop Motion Hulk It's kinda sad that people think Stop motion is a viable fx style to composite next to human actors. Watch any puppetmaster movie, it's dead. It's as bad as the people who used to come into the Suncoast I worked part time at and griped about why there was no VHS copies of new releases.

01-07-2007, 07:47 PM	#16
thorstone Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 732	Re: Stop Motion Hulk I'd use the computer for morphing the actor into the Hulk-- one of the first good uses of CGI in a movie (Willow). "Watch any puppetmaster movie, it's dead." Why would you compare a big budget film to a twenty year old Full Moon flick? The last time stop motion animation was used for a realistic creature effect in a bigger budgetted film was Coneheads-- and it looked more realistic than the Incredible Poodle.

02-10-2007, 02:37 AM	#18
atreestump deflowerer of your child: Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 72	Re: Stop Motion Hulk am I the only one who liked what they did with the first hulk movie??

02-10-2007, 05:43 PM	#22
PROLIFIK1 ^ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 158	Re: Stop Motion Hulk I like the effects they used for the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen for the Dr. Hyde character. I really never looked up on how they did it, but seemed like a cross of Fx and prosthetics. Looked believeable in a lot of scenes. I like what they did with that, wish they did it for the first Hulk film.

03-16-2007, 12:50 AM	#24
ang_hulk Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,077	Re: Stop Motion Hulk I dont think hulk should be a real person unless he can be about 10 feet,run in the suit,jump and punch on his own and have perfect flow into the cgi when its needed.The thing is cgi comes a long way even since the first hulk film.He they stick to him being blue suit driven itll be fine.

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