Should they kill the kid off?

[Yūgi's BM]

Originally Posted by stpatrick

imo the son was a bad idea from the beginning

Originally Posted by Venom'sDad

I concur...

He's a sign of the lost time that Superman will never get back.

He's only a bad idea if he isn't written right and up until this point there's not much of anything to judge.

[dpm07]

Originally Posted by Yūgi's BM

He's a sign of the lost time that Superman will never get back.

He's only a bad idea if he isn't written right and up until this point there's not much of anything to judge.

Actually, there's all of Superman Returns to judge. Introducing Superson was a horrible idea IMO, and one which never should have happened.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by dpm07

Actually, there's all of Superman Returns to judge. Introducing Superson was a horrible idea IMO, and one which never should have happened.

Please explain why it's a horrible idea.

[VenomsMom]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

Please explain why it's a horrible idea.

You tell us why he was a good idea. No one wants to see Superman in a father figure role after being reintroduced to the big screen after all these years let alone see a relationship about bonding with a child he did not know he had. This is not a soap opera. This is not "As The Superman Returns"

[Venom'sDad]

Originally Posted by Yūgi's BM

He's a sign of the lost time that Superman will never get back.

He's only a bad idea if he isn't written right and up until this point there's not much of anything to judge.

Look, I said I concur with spiderine statement that he thought the kid will play a pivotal roll. I agree with that in the conext of the story that Singer has given us. The kid in Singer's mind obviously has a major part to do with in the story.... or at least I hope. there has to be a reason for putting him in.

However, I have always dislike this idea, from the beginning, and feel it was toatally unneccesary, in the first place. But lets not be nieve, he is not just going to kill the kid and really I wouldn't want to see that. I just wish WB kills Singer and ax him off the project and reboot..... and you know the reasons why.

[Rated-X]

Originally Posted by dpm07

Actually, there's all of Superman Returns to judge. Introducing Superson was a horrible idea IMO, and one which never should have happened.

[I_Hate_U_All]

[VenomsMom]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_U_All

Its a shame these are the images we think of when we talk about Superman Returns.

[lexlives]

Originally Posted by VenomsMom

Its a shame these are the images we think of when we talk about Superman Returns.

ITA!!!!

That first image of Routh as Superrman standing in a "warehouse" so to speak was disatrous. SR never rrecovered from it. It is THIRD RATE compared to the first photos we got of FF2 and Spidey 3.

Like what was going on!! Where were the "minders"?!

Why so few had the temerity to say the Emperor - Routh and Singer in this case - had no clothes is beyond me.

That first photo and most of the rest were simply INEXCUSABLE given Singer's budget.

Thank God he is gone from the franchise now. And that he is believe me - for those who still hold out hope. Why you would I will never fathom.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by VenomsMom

You tell us why he was a good idea. No one wants to see Superman in a father figure role after being reintroduced to the big screen after all these years let alone see a relationship about bonding with a child he did not know he had. This is not a soap opera. This is not "As The Superman Returns"

Given you're unable to explain why it's a bad idea even when you say you think it, I'll take the word.

It's a good idea because the fatherhood and father-son relationship has been a traditional subject in Superman TM and Superman II as has been his loneliness amongst humans (as Lara states in Krypton and Superman II shows showing Supes can't share his life with the woman he loves.)

That said, giving Superman a son is a perfect next step to enhanche all of those subjects. Now he feels what his father felt. Now he's not alone. Now when he dies, there'll be somebody else to continue his mission. Now his love for Lois - even when can't be physically concreted - will live on incarnated in the son of both.

It's not a good idea, it's a great idea.

Originally Posted by VenomsMom

Its a shame these are the images we think of when we talk about Superman Returns.

we = VenomsMom.

[VenomsMom]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

Given you're unable to explain why it's a bad idea even when you say you think it, I'll take the word.

It's a good idea because the fatherhood and father-son relationship has been a traditional subject in Superman TM and Superman II as has been his loneliness amongst humans (as Lara states in Krypton and Superman II shows showing Supes can't share his life with the woman he loves.)

That said, giving Superman a son is a perfect next step to enhanche all of those subjects. Now he feels what his father felt. Now he's not alone. Now when he dies, there'll be somebody else to continue his mission. Now his love for Lois - even when can't be physically concreted - will live on incarnated in the son of both.

It's not a good idea, it's a great idea.



we = VenomsMom.

Tune in next time for the ongoing saga of "As The Superman Turns" Given your explanation this further magnifies this whole idea as to why no one relates to this concept of Superman and why this should never have been included in this series. Its not just a bad idea it was a horrible idea.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by VenomsMom

Tune in next time for the ongoing saga of "As The Superman Turns" Given your explanation this further magnifies this whole idea as to why no one relates to this concept of Superman and why this should never have been included in this series. Its not just a bad idea it was a horrible idea.

Very original joke and cute emoticon. But you see, you still fail to explain why it's a bad idea given it's a subject that's been all in STM and SII.

And 'no one relates'? This very poll proves you wrong.

Explain why it's a bad idea and why my explanations makes it a bad idea.

I know I'm cruel because I know already you're unable to articulate an explanation (and I can,) but still.

[VenomsMom]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

Very original joke and cute emoticon. But you see, you still fail to explain why it's a bad idea given it's a subject that's been all in STM and SII.

And 'no one relates'? This very poll proves you wrong.

Explain why it's a bad idea and why my explanations makes it a bad idea.

I know I'm cruel because I know already you're unable to articulate an explanation (and I can,) but still.

Im glad you like the joke after all you are el payaso. As far as the poll goes I voted to keep the little tike alive as there is no reason to kill him is there?So it means nothing. There have been many themes presented in the first movie and certainly your argument shows one of those themes. Superman and Lois have long been comic's most iconic couple and no one comes close. Their romance is legendary and I feel as though we missed those important aspects about them that has made them so interesting. Superman left a world that had long moved on. And now he is back and the world is realizing what he has meant to them. The kid inserted in all this seems rushed and the logic behind it seems out of place. He seems more of an obstacle that does not move the story along but hinders it. The themes and values set forth could have continued without the son as Supes copes with readjusting to society. I can respect your opinion and all jokes aside you make a good point. But I still dont see how all that could not be achieved without the kid.

[Yūgi's BM]

Originally Posted by lexlives

ITA!!!!

That first image of Routh as Superrman standing in a "warehouse" so to speak was disatrous. SR never rrecovered from it. It is THIRD RATE compared to the first photos we got of FF2 and Spidey 3.

Like what was going on!! Where were the "minders"?!

Why so few had the temerity to say the Emperor - Routh and Singer in this case - had no clothes is beyond me.

That first photo and most of the rest were simply INEXCUSABLE given Singer's budget.

Thank God he is gone from the franchise now. And that he is believe me - for those who still hold out hope. Why you would I will never fathom.

Stop spouting off your delusions as fact.

Originally Posted by El Payaso

Given you're unable to explain why it's a bad idea even when you say you think it, I'll take the word.

It's a good idea because the fatherhood and father-son relationship has been a traditional subject in Superman TM and Superman II as has been his loneliness amongst humans (as Lara states in Krypton and Superman II shows showing Supes can't share his life with the woman he loves.)

That said, giving Superman a son is a perfect next step to enhanche all of those subjects. Now he feels what his father felt. Now he's not alone. Now when he dies, there'll be somebody else to continue his mission. Now his love for Lois - even when can't be physically concreted - will live on incarnated in the son of both.

It's not a good idea, it's a great idea.



we = VenomsMom.

Exactly, I couldn’t have said it better!!!

Originally Posted by VenomsMom

Tune in next time for the ongoing saga of "As The Superman Turns" Given your explanation this further magnifies this whole idea as to why no one relates to this concept of Superman and why this should never have been included in this series. Its not just a bad idea it was a horrible idea.

Nobody likes an immature little brat and that’s what your being.

Singer must’ve known it was dicey trying to make a sequel to Donner’s film(s) but the simple fact is this is what we’ve got to deal with so let’s take it like men! Singer’s not stupid enough to not make the rest of his era truly his and you know what? I want to see what happens next! I want to see how this Superman can become our Superman! Who the heck is with me?!

[VenomsMom]

And I really dont even know what to include in SII anymore as this whole continuity thing seem more abstract and flawed every time I think about it. All that we thought we knew is confused and conflicted. Superman knows his mission and knows the importance of that mission and what he is here to do. As Jor-el has stated. Prepping the next Superman was not an immediate aspect of all this. Superman's legacy and purpose has always been understood and the kid does not compliment that.

[Maze]

edit double post.

[Maze]

Originally Posted by Yūgi's BM

Stop spouting off your delusions as fact.



Exactly, I couldn’t have said it better!!!



Nobody likes an immature little brat and that’s what your being.

Singer must’ve known it was dicey trying to make a sequel to Donner’s film(s) but the simple fact is this is what we’ve got to deal with so let’s take it like men! Singer’s not stupid enough to not make the rest of his era truly his and you know what? I want to see what happens next! I want to see how this Superman can become our Superman! Who the heck is with me?!

I am

[VenomsMom]

Originally Posted by Yūgi's BM

Nobody likes an immature little brat and that’s what your being.

Singer must’ve known it was dicey trying to make a sequel to Donner’s film(s) but the simple fact is this is what we’ve got to deal with so let’s take it like men! Singer’s not stupid enough to not make the rest of his era truly his and you know what? I want to see what happens next! I want to see how this Superman can become our Superman! Who the heck is with me?!

LOL! For a minute I almost took this little comment seriously and then I realized it was just you. Of course Singer knew it was dicey and that wont stop criticism will it. Of course its here unless we choose to ignore it so hopefully you will see what happens next. Apparently you figured that out.

[Yūgi's BM]

Originally Posted by VenomsMom

LOL! For a minute I almost took this little comment seriously and then I realized it was just you. Of course Singer knew it was dicey and that wont stop criticism will it. Of course its here unless we choose to ignore it so hopefully you will see what happens next. Apparently you figured that out.

Ignoring it is like ignoring the Earth is round.

At this point we don’t know much about what’s coming next but judging from the quality increase between X1 and X2 we can expect something good.

I’d like to also point out that I didn’t see the post you made at 7: 31PM, oddly enough.

EDIT: And I was being serious with my last comment.

[VenomsMom]

Originally Posted by Yūgi's BM

Ignoring it is like ignoring the Earth is round.

At this point we don’t know much about what’s coming next but judging from the quality increase between X1 and X2 we can expect something good.

I’d like to also point out that I didn’t see the post you made at 7: 31PM, oddly enough.

EDIT: And I was being serious with my last comment.

Ignoring was nothing more but sarcasm, Xmen should not be a blueprint for an entirely different francise,what post was that, and yes you probably were serious but it did not bother me one way or another.