Batman Forever Novelization

[House_of_El]

Can anyone give me any info on that? I heard it was better than the actual script. Discuss!

[pwl4life]

I have it. I don't remember much about it, haven't read it since I was a kid. But it does have some great pictures in it.

[The-Dark-Knight]

To be honest i thought when i read it that the Forever novelisation was theweakest of all the film Novelisations, it just kinda drags in so many parts, this is probably just my opinion. If you havent read the Novelisation of 1989's Batman by Craig Shaw Gardener i suggest you do, that is a really good movie Novelisation.

[Bat Attack]

I myself didn't care for the Batman Returns novelization.

[Bat Attack]

Even though it's a really easy read, the Mystery of the Batwoman novelization is really awesome. I liked it almost better than the actual film.

[Bat Attack]

Originally Posted by the-dark-knight

To be honest i thought when i read it that the Forever novelisation was theweakest of all the film Novelisations, it just kinda drags in so many parts, this is probably just my opinion. If you havent read the Novelisation of 1989's Batman by Craig Shaw Gardener i suggest you do, that is a really good movie Novelisation.

I really need to buy the '89 book. I was reading some reviews earlier and it sounds pretty awesome. Plus Amazon.com has it for only $0.01!

[DocLathropBrown]

The B89 book is honestly a masterpiece. It fleshes out and fixes most of the problems that fans had with the film (Except Jack killing the Waynes). It fleshes out the fact that Vicki figured out Bruce's identity and demanded to see Bruce (instead of Alfred telling her, which is how it looks in the film), and the three goons in the Cathedral belltower are explained as having already been up there to get "a bird's eye view" of the commotion, and there's an entire sequence that went unfilmed in it, where Bruce (first in a ski-mask, then in the suit) chases down and confronts the Joker at dusk during the official 200th birthday gala, immediately after the scene at Vicki's apartment.

It's honestly one of the best Batman novels to-date. Right up there with No Man's Land and Knightfall. Craig Gardner is a good novelist, but it mostly stems from the fact that Sam Hamm's script was pitch-perfect. Vicki going into the cave (in the book, she actually confronts him unstairs in the Manor) and the Joker killing Bruce's parents were Burton's doing.... Hamm's script was the perfect Batman script, only arguable otherwise for, possibly, the lack of background on Batman, but Hamm was a diehard and a 'Tec scribe, he would have rectified it if need be.

I'd love to see Mankiewicz's script adapted into a graphic novel. Good script. A little too much of the 70s Batman to work on film (Batman does a lot of talking, the Bill Finger-style giant props), but perfect for a GN illustrated by Marshall Rogers, as it has Silver St. Cloud and a lot of material from Engelhart's run on Batman.

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by DocLathropBrown

It fleshes out the fact that Vicki figured out Bruce's identity and demanded to see Bruce (instead of Alfred telling her, which is how it looks in the film),

Alfred DOESN'T tell Vicki! She figures it out in the scene where she and Knox look at the old photos of the Wayne murders. Knox says, "What do you think something liek this does to a kid?" and Vicki puts everything together and rushes to Wayne Manor.

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by House_of_El

Can anyone give me any info on that? I heard it was better than the actual script. Discuss!

It's everything Forever could and should have been. It's like a novelisation from a parallel universe, where Forever is the best superhero movie ever.

[Bat Attack]

I just bought the '89 novel off Amazon. I can't wait to read it now.

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by Batattack

I just bought the '89 novel off Amazon. I can't wait to read it now.

It's fantastic, it really is. The author put so much effort into it, it's the perfect companion piece to the movie.

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by the-dark-knight

To be honest i thought when i read it that the Forever novelisation was theweakest of all the film Novelisations, it just kinda drags in so many parts, this is probably just my opinion. If you havent read the Novelisation of 1989's Batman by Craig Shaw Gardener i suggest you do, that is a really good movie Novelisation.

Have you read the Batman Returns novel? It's easily the worst. I could believe it was written in a few days. Chapters are a few pages long and the writing is very basic and non-descriptive. It doesn't help that Batman Returns has so little storyline - it's a story told by visuals and thus doesn't work in print.

The Forever novel is a great book, it reveals more of the storyline and characters, and even links the first three films together. Dent clears Batman of the murder of the Ice Princess, for example.

The Batman & Robin novelization is even, yes, worth reading. It adds a lot, such as Bruce watching Victor Freeze as an athlete back when they were both at university, and Alfred looking after Bruce soon after his parents died. So much better than the movie.

[Bat Attack]

Oh man, I hated the Batman Returns novelization! I was so let down after I read it.

[DocLathropBrown]

Originally Posted by Kevin Roegele

Alfred DOESN'T tell Vicki! She figures it out in the scene where she and Knox look at the old photos of the Wayne murders. Knox says, "What do you think something liek this does to a kid?" and Vicki puts everything together and rushes to Wayne Manor.

More than anyone else, I know this, Kev. I was just describing the scene as a devil's advocate. Everyone else sees it as "Alfred told her!"

[kooguy911]

i myself am not a fan of reading film novels, but i plead guilty to have read a few simply to get more information about the story. I did read the forever novel before, and it was pretty good, just shows how the movie could of been.

[Lazlo Panaflex]

I have the '89 and Batman Begins novels but I barely passed through the first chapters, it needs some pictures to entice me.

[CConn]

Originally Posted by Kevin Roegele

The Batman & Robin novelization is even, yes, worth reading. It adds a lot, such as Bruce watching Victor Freeze as an athlete back when they were both at university, and Alfred looking after Bruce soon after his parents died. So much better than the movie.

How's the dialogue?

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by DocLathropBrown

More than anyone else, I know this, Kev. I was just describing the scene as a devil's advocate. Everyone else sees it as "Alfred told her!"

Oh, sorry dude. I thought you surely did know, I just get annoyed that so many people don't.

[The-Dark-Knight]

Originally Posted by Batattack

I just bought the '89 novel off Amazon. I can't wait to read it now.

Good glad to hear it, if you enjoyed the film (and by your avvy i guess you did) The first few pages of the book alone are brilliant, giving a real tone and feeling to Gotham. Hope it arrives soon, You'll really enjoy it, if you dont i'll be really surprised.

[House_of_El]

All this talk about the B89 Novelization makes me want to read it now

[Rockbottom]

I remember my mum getting me the 89 novel when i was a kid, ive never read it though just looked at the pics in the middle, but now that i hear its good i might start reading it.

[Kevin Roegele]

I've just finished reading the B&R novel and just started the Forever one.

[House_of_El]

Originally Posted by Kevin Roegele

I've just finished reading the B&R novel and just started the Forever one.

How is the dialogue in the Batman & Robin one?

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally Posted by House_of_El

How is the dialogue in the Batman & Robin one?

This sounds like a joke but it's not. If you took out every line with a pun in, there would only be a quarter of the dialogue left. I don't think Mr Freeze says a single sentence without a pun, certainly not two in a row. As the book was adapted from an earlier version of the script, thank goodness they toned the movie down atleast somewhat.

[House_of_El]

Originally Posted by Batattack

I just bought the '89 novel off Amazon. I can't wait to read it now.

Have you got it yet?