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Old 11-14-2006, 10:33 AM   #26
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Spider-Man 3 started filming November 2005 in Los Angeles and Santa Clarita. One of the very first things they shot was the effects heavy scene where the police tries (unsuccessfully) to shoot Sandman.



James Franco started filming some of his scenes back then as well.

They did something similar on Spider-Man 2 too. Part of the big train battle with Doc Ock and Spidey was shot in November of 2002 in Chicago with extras on set. This was before they even had cast Alfred Molina! Originally the plan was to have Spidey battle Ock ánd The Lizard but that was scrapped.


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The amount of time spent on creating the VFX can give you an indication of just how big the VFX sequences of a movie can be.

When exactly is Singer going to start shooting the movie anyway ?
Returns had a post. prod schedule of 9 months . The sequel needs to have a bigger post.prod schedule. Although it all depends on just what kind of scenes Singer is going to use in the sequel.

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The amount of time spent on creating the VFX can give you an indication of just how big the VFX sequences of a movie can be.

When exactly is Singer going to start shooting the movie anyway ?
Returns had a post. prod schedule of 9 months . The sequel needs to have a bigger post.prod schedule. Although it all depends on just what kind of scenes Singer is going to use in the sequel.
According to recent reports they'll probably start preping mid/late next year. I guess filming depends on when the script is ready and thats still a question mark since both Harris and Dougherty are shooting their own films.

Returns started pre-production in August, 2004. Principal photography started in March of 2005 and ended in November but there was 5 week hiatus included though.

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It can be made for summer 2009 but holidays isn´t such a bad idea for a Supes movie. The first Superman was released in Christmas.

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so is 'Wolverine' going to be Supe's competition again come '09? And what's with Singer's comments about wanting to see a script?

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He's just interested in knowing what they're going to be doing with the Wolverine movie (seeing as he did direct the first two, and better, X-men flicks). But he won't be directing it or anything.

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Old 01-10-2007, 07:30 AM   #32
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What else is on? The only major film lined up right now that I know of is Cameron's Avatar (needless to say it probably will redefine VFX in Hollywood).

Any other Superhero movies lined up against Superman? Maybe a Silver Surfer movie. Hulk? Wolverine?

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The third Fantastic Four movie probably.

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Naah , i don't think a FF3 will be released in 2009. MY guess is that Fox will see just how FF2 will turn out which IMO will be better the first , but still make X-men numbers. And then wait 3 years before releasing the sequel.
Kinda the approach it took with X3 and how Spiderman 3 is made. Besides a FF3 will of course be bigger and better then FF2 , so you'll be needing even bigger VFX shots. And so it'll take quite a while for them to be made , hence a 3 year timeframe IMO.

Summer of '09 could probably have sequels to movies that have been succesful in '07 and '06. For '09 they'd probably go with transformers sequel or adaptation of one of Dan Brown's novels .
Maybe even a Constantine 2 or a Ghost Rider 2.

Also , don't forget a Pixar movie.

The Hulk movie comes out in 2008 . Maybe a Wolverine movie that might be released in 2009.


So far it's just Superman and Avatar that have claimed summer of '09.
However i do feel that if Singer is going to make something like SR , only with more action , WB should go on and release in during the thanksgiving period.

However if it's something more like SPiderman , they should go with the May period.

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Avatar is going to be the tentpole of the summer, for sure. It's only 2007 and WB's already booked in a showdown with what should be the ultimate mega-budget sci-fi VFX flick in recent memory...

Doesn't bode too well for a Superman under Singer if you ask me. WB will most definitely release it early (May) or push it to Thanksgiving, which would be a bit of a slap to one of its marquee franchise.

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well I think W.B./singer need to start putting some buzz out for the sequel now( leak the villian ID, and who will play him)...give us a teaser much earlier this time, and show the villian (Brainiac ) in it. Plus, STRESS that it has more action.

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I agree.
I know that Avatar is going to be an enormous VFX spectacle ( IMDB news reports that the budget is 190 million) and given how Cameron is a master filmmaker who really works with groundbreaking VFX i gave no doubt that Avatar is going to be amazing.
He's already begun work and according to the Cameron interview that AICN posted , we'll expect the earliest images ( or footage) at Showest in 2008.

Also given the huge VFX slate , it makes sense that Cameron is already filming in '07, cause post-prod. is going to take alot of time.

Now this is something that i wou'ld've like to see with Brian Singer. Already begin shooting now in '07 and then spend most of '08 and the early parts of '09 as a post-prod. period. Or at least start early VFX work now.

Look at Spiderman 3. They did shoot in '06 , but work on the VFX had already begun in '05 with PRE-VIZ. I remeber reading that when Thomas Hayden Chruch was cast , he had already seen the movie in PRE-VIZ. Now PRe-VIZ was already finished in '05 which gives you a sense how just how well they planned the VFX of Spiderman.

Compare that with Superman and you really don't hear nothing. I think they're still writing the script and/or are busy talking with the WB exec. about finances.

Singer should already begin saying who he plans to use as the main villain , getting people interested and not wait till the last moment.

Besided release dates haven't been set for Avatar and the superman sequel . Given that both movies are expensive, they might go with the coveted may release date although i think that this time around Superman doesn't have any "big" compeition in '09 like POTC. Therefore it can be released again in June.

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I agree.
I know that Avatar is going to be an enormous VFX spectacle ( IMDB news reports that the budget is 190 million) and given how Cameron is a master filmmaker who really works with groundbreaking VFX i gave no doubt that Avatar is going to be amazing.
He's already begun work and according to the Cameron interview that AICN posted , we'll expect the earliest images ( or footage) at Showest in 2008.

Also given the huge VFX slate , it makes sense that Cameron is already filming in '07, cause post-prod. is going to take alot of time.

Now this is something that i wou'ld've like to see with Brian Singer. Already begin shooting now in '07 and then spend most of '08 and the early parts of '09 as a post-prod. period. Or at least start early VFX work now.

Look at Spiderman 3. They did shoot in '06 , but work on the VFX had already begun in '05 with PRE-VIZ. I remeber reading that when Thomas Hayden Chruch was cast , he had already seen the movie in PRE-VIZ. Now PRe-VIZ was already finished in '05 which gives you a sense how just how well they planned the VFX of Spiderman.

Compare that with Superman and you really don't hear nothing. I think they're still writing the script and/or are busy talking with the WB exec. about finances.

Singer should already begin saying who he plans to use as the main villain , getting people interested and not wait till the last moment.

Besided release dates haven't been set for Avatar and the superman sequel . Given that both movies are expensive, they might go with the coveted may release date although i think that this time around Superman doesn't have any "big" compeition in '09 like POTC. Therefore it can be released again in June.
are you now gonna tell me that cameron with 190 milions will make everything better than in SR?

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are you now gonna tell me that cameron with 190 milions will make everything better than in SR?
Oh I have no doubt. At least in terms of the VFX, that's for sure. Having said that, Cameron's known for busting his budget. But he's Cameron - he'll deliver a certified blockbuster. Studios put up with him.

I get shivers just thinking about what Weta will serve up with such a long time in post. They've really positioned themselves well against ILM.

And agree that WB needs to have something concrete to annouce, or have Singer come out with some updates. The marketing starts now.

They're probably cracking their heads trying to integrate a complex love triangle/kids plot with a sci-fi, supervillian, all-action premise while hopefully capturing the Superman spirit that was lacking in SR. Well, can you blame them? Wait, actually you can...

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are you now gonna tell me that cameron with 190 milions will make everything better than in SR?
There is only 1 James Cameron movie that i don't like and it's Titanic.
I love all the other ones and have 'em on dvd ( apart from Piranhas 2 and Xenogenis ).
This is James Cameron we're talking about.

ALIENS
Terminator 1
Terminator 2
The Abyss
TRUE FRIKKIN LIES.

The fact that you even asked me if Cameron with his 190 million ( which most likely 90 % of it is going to the VFX) is going to make a movie BETTER then SR is just......cdear lord that you even asked that question
There is no comparison.

Avatar will own SR's ass. Whether it will own the sequel's ass is a different matter although i do think that it will even own the sequels ass

Seriously though. I have high hopes for Avatar and i'm confident ( but not to the extent that i'll admit mistakes) that Avatar will turn out great based on past Cameron movies.

I have an indication of how a brian singer superman sequel is going to be and to be honest i'm really sceptical if it'll wow me. With each viewing my rating for SR steadily declined.
I'm still interested to see just how Singer will make a Superman movie worthy of the VFX technology that exists right now

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There is only 1 James Cameron movie that i don't like and it's Titanic.
And it's the biggest movie of all time. ALL TIME.

Jim Cameron would be my no. 1 choice for a Superman movie. With Peter Jackson a close no.2. Cameron will whip Routh into Alpha-male shape.

It's going to be a rough ride for Singer to turn this one out, esp if he's going the sci-fi route, with Avatar presumably owning the '09 summer.

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And it's the biggest movie of all time. ALL TIME.
Jim Cameron would be my no. 1 choice for a Superman movie. With Peter Jackson a close no.2. Cameron will whip Routh into Alpha-male shape.

It's going to be a rough ride for Singer to turn this one out, esp if he's going the sci-fi route, with Avatar presumably owning the '09 summer.
Imagine the ironory there huh
I have to admit that i do quie like the production/art/costume design of Titanic. Hats off to the people .
I just hated the whole Leo -Kate romance which brought the movie down several notches for me.

And it's not that i hate love story movies. I just hate the "in you're face " type of love story.


As for avatar owning summer of '09.
Well that may be , but there is never a guarantee. If the movies are released a month or months apart , then i could see both movies making an good amount of cash. The last thing you need it two movies clashing with each other.

And i agree with ya on. Cameron as a superman director...if only that would happen
Who knows. With battle angel coming out post-avatar the technology used for making these movies will also be used for better CG humans.
SInger might use the technology to make an even better VFX movie.

But he's just made the whole thing too complicated IMO. It's the love story'father son relationship that will be the centre of the story , not superman + villain and 60 plus years of comic book history

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I just saw on the reel channel that Peter Jackson's company that did the CGI for his Lotrs' trilogy, will be working on Avatar as well.

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Yep.
That's true. Cameron did choose WETA to use his developed VFX technologies and WETA's own image based MO-CAP technology to be used for the VFX.

Pretty sweet if you ask me . And he's gonna shoot for "just" 31 days.
My guess , it's mostly blue screen work.

I know that alot of sets were built for the superman movie , but it is something that i have been wondering for some time now. Why not just shoot the entire movie on a blue/green screen.
It obviously helps with reducing you're budget meaning you can spend more time and more money for the VFX.

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Too soon to say.

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They had him speaking for like 30 seconds on the clip I saw, and he said over half of the film would be CGI, he said think 'GOLLUM'
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That's true. Cameron did choose WETA to use his developed VFX technologies and WETA's own image based MO-CAP technology to be used for the VFX.

Pretty sweet if you ask me . And he's gonna shoot for "just" 31 days.
My guess , it's mostly blue screen work.

I know that alot of sets were built for the superman movie , but it is something that i have been wondering for some time now. Why not just shoot the entire movie on a blue/green screen.
It obviously helps with reducing you're budget meaning you can spend more time and more money for the VFX.

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I thought the Avatar thread was in misc movies

I'd imagine that Wolverine will be a 09 movie unless Fox rush it out for 2008 and there may well be a GR sequel depending on how it does as well as a Silver Surfer film and possibly the Hobbit although it would most likely come out in the winter

I don't see a TF sequel till 2010

I think Singer and co would be wise to use this years comic con to get the villain choice out to the fanbase if nothing else

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you got that right about getting the villian info out. just look at spidey 3, now thats marketing at its finest.....
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I'd imagine that Wolverine will be a 09 movie unless Fox rush it out for 2008 and there may well be a GR sequel depending on how it does as well as a Silver Surfer film and possibly the Hobbit although it would most likely come out in the winter

I don't see a TF sequel till 2010

I think Singer and co would be wise to use this years comic con to get the villain choice out to the fanbase if nothing else

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Here is what Yahoo Movies has for 2009 so far.

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Here is what Yahoo Movies has for 2009 so far.

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/upcoming/bydate/2009/
BTW, this list is confirmation that a Superman Returns sequel for 2009 has not been greenlit/gotten a go-ahead yet - despite the perception of some who erroneously think it has.

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