The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[ghost_x]

Bruce already feels the failure for believing that it was his fault his parents were murdered, thats why he dons the cape, what if his alter ego felt the failure as well, where does that leave Bruce/Batman psychologically.

[breyfogle_rules]

Originally Posted by TheBatman072

For me, the ending would be this:

Joker's kidnapped Rachel. Leaving a note in her apartment, telling Batman exactly where they are. Almost DARING Batman to come and save her. Bruce visits Rachel at her apartment, finding the door open slightly. He bursts in and finds the apartment a complete mess. Like there had been a fight. He finds the note on the ground and reads it, crushing it in his hand as he finishes it. Cut to Batman racing along in the new Batmobile/Cycle toward where the Joker has Rachel, in an abandoned amusement park. When he's less then halfway there, he calls Gordon and tells him everything. Then he hangs up, mumbling to himself about "...if Joker hurts her, if he hurts her I'll..." and so on. He roars into the park and jumps out/off his vehicle. Then, Joker's voice echoes over loudspeaker, greeting Batman and welcoming him to Joker's home. A bunch of overhead lights flicker and light up, one by one, signaling Batman where to go. He has no choice but to follow them, so he does. Right into the huge Hall of Mirrors. Batman walks in and the doors shut immediately behind him(Joker's at the control center for the entire park). The lights in the whole place light up, and Joker challenges Batman to get through his Hall if he wants to see the ADA alive. Batman starts to walk, carefully, through the "funhouse." All the while Joker is ranting and trying to distract Batman. Suddenly, the floor drops out, and reveals a small basement, full of rusted, sharpened metal rods. Batman catches himself just in time, pulling himself back up, and continuing his walk through Joker's twisted "mind." A few more traps here, false turns there, and Batman makes it through to the end. Just a little beat up and tired. He comes out into a huge, cavernous room, with a large tank. Full of acid or chemicals or maybe even a shark or two Joker stole from the Aquarium. With Rachel, tied up and gagged in a chair, hanging over the tank. And then there's Joker, in the control room on the far side of the cavern, still ranting to Batman, but fully aware that he's in the room. Joker warns Batman that for each step Batman takes toward him or Rachel, he'll drop Rachel closer and closer to the tank. Or he'll just skip the middle man and dunk her right now, whatever he feels like. Batman asks Rachel if she's okay and she nods, shaken and scared. Joker snaps at Batman, yelling that Joker was talking and Batman shouldn't have interrupted, so Joker drops Rachel a little closer to the tank. Batman screams no, and Joker stops. Telling Batman not to interrupt again. Batman stands there while Joker continues ranting, assesing the situation. Trying to figure a way out of all of this without hurting Rachel.

That's all I've got right now, I'll post again when I figure the rest out.

You're adorable! It is clear that you are spritely enough to still be in love with life and enthusiastic about things that others may be jaded about. Sadly, there's a LOT of jade out there. My take? Well, as firey and fun as it all is, it is also very, very cliche'. All of it. However, the parts I have in bold are particularly cliche to the point of me just loving it.
Your paragraph is a bit like a pegasus drawn on loose-leaf notebook paper in blue ink. Earnest, ticklish and showing the promise of a lovely person.
But not necessarily bulletproof.
Still, very entertaining.

[breyfogle_rules]

As far as the Bergman style "chess-match-of-the-mind", thats more Sandman territory I think. But screw it, you're right. It does need to get cerebral. The conflict with Joker is almost exclusively non-brawn.

[regwec]

Originally Posted by ghost_x

Bruce already feels the failure for believing that it was his fault his parents were murdered, thats why he dons the cape, what if his alter ego felt the failure as well, where does that leave Bruce/Batman psychologically.

Well, Bruce's mind seems to drift between two spheres: introspection and resolution. I just enjoy him more when he operates in the latter.

[Mike_D202]

Originally Posted by JStorm

That wouldn't fit into Nolan's-Batman world.

Uh, yea it does.

[JStorm]

Originally Posted by Mike_D202

Uh, yea it does.

Sarcasm is so misunderstood when not in spoken word.

[ghost_x]

Originally Posted by regwec

Well, Bruce's mind seems to drift between two spheres: introspection and resolution. I just enjoy him more when he operates in the latter.

Absoloutly, Gordon informs Batman that Gotham is experiencing a state of escalation, so what does Batman do, he ignores the warning and takes on the next case, his sense of justice is simply about resoloution. Yet, Batman has yet to of met an opponent of the same intellect and mindset of the Joker. Surely defending a city of petty thugs can't prepare him for the might of the Joker, which is why his intial encounters will place Batman into a state of turmoil. Resoloution won't be much of an option for Bruce in these scenarios, he's going to need to be on his toes from the get go, the sporadic nature of the Joker will have Bruce attempting to find new ways of strategizing his plan of attack, so introspective thought is going to be his only attempt to defeat the criminal.

[TheBatman072]

Originally Posted by ghost_x

I'd hope if Joker were to kidnap Rachel that when Batman gets there he sees her tied to a chair with her back to him, he turns the chair around and she is already dead with her face sliced creating a smile from cheek to cheek.

That's too quick. It's a good idea, but it's too...unsatisfactory.


The very ending of what I posted would be:

Batman has Rachel, safe, on the ground and is untying her from the chair. Meanwhile, Joker is trying to make his escape. Batman asks Rachel if she's okay and that when he gets his hands on Joker, Rachel stops him and kisses him quickly. Joker turns around from escaping through a door or whatever, and sees them kissing. He pulls a gun out of his pocket and aims it, Rachel pulls away from Batman and turns around. Joker fires the gun and the bullet rips through Rachel's stomach, knocking her to the ground. All the while Joker is laughing, and then escaping. Batman cries out her name in shock and drops to his knees, cradling her in his arms and telling her that she'll be okay, keeping pressure on the wound. Rachel whispers something and Batman leans over to hear, but it's too late. She dies in his arms. Batman starts sobbing and yelling, holding her close. Then, Joker's laughter echoes back from where he is, and Batman lays Rachel down gently, stands up and starts to run after Joker. Disappearing into the dark. Joker's running and laughing himself silly, screaming and carrying on. All the while Batman is following him, listening to his laughter and flashing back to when his parents died, then to when Rachel died. Getting angrier and angrier. Batman finally catches up to the Joker, Batman still in the shadows. He jumps up, his cape outstretched, and slams the Joker into the ground, jumping over him and landing on the ground. Joker still laughing, he pulls out his gun and aims it at Batman, Batman knocks it out of Joker's hand hard. At the same time hitting Joker in the face, maybe knocking out a tooth. Batman starts to pound into Joker, knocking him all over and around the area they're in. The Joker pulls out a switchblade and shoves it into Batman stomach, only to realize that it didn't cut anything. Batman knocks the blade away and slams Joker face into the wall, then swinging him around into another wall. Batman throws him to the ground and starts to strangle him, Joker still laughing and coughing up blood. Just then, a bullet hits the wall infront of Batman. Gordon's voice yelling at Batman to stop and put Joker down. Batman growls out "He killed Rachel...he killed Rachel..." Gordon says, "And he'll be brought to justice. But we can't sink down to his level. You kill him, and you'll be doing exactly what he wants you to. We have to show him our way works." Batman continues to strangle Joker, still mumbling a little. Gordon fires one more shot, a little closer to Batman's head. "I'm warning you. I WILL put you down if I have to. I know you're hurting, and believe me, I want to put one in his head too. But then, what makes us any different from him if we allow ourselves to do that?" Batman grits his teeth, then lets Joker fall to the ground. Coughing and wheezing, curling up into a ball. Giggling to himself. It starts to rain, and Batman and Gordon stand there over the Joker.

[TheBatman072]

Originally Posted by breyfogle_rules

You're adorable! It is clear that you are spritely enough to still be in love with life and enthusiastic about things that others may be jaded about. Sadly, there's a LOT of jade out there. My take? Well, as firey and fun as it all is, it is also very, very cliche'. All of it. However, the parts I have in bold are particularly cliche to the point of me just loving it.
Your paragraph is a bit like a pegasus drawn on loose-leaf notebook paper in blue ink. Earnest, ticklish and showing the promise of a lovely person.
But not necessarily bulletproof.
Still, very entertaining.

Never said I was Hemingway, and this is "making-it-up-on-the-spot" so I haven't had any time to proof read or re-write. Just getting my ideas out there.

[Bandyt]

Hmm, I'm thinking Joker might shoot Rachael through the spine and then rape her. You know, TKJ Barbara style... I'm seeing Batman in Gordon's place going through the love tunnel with all the projected images of her body and...yeah. We all know Maggie Gyllenhaal has no problem taking her kit off.

[breyfogle_rules]

Originally Posted by TheBatman072

That's too quick. It's a good idea, but it's too...unsatisfactory.


The very ending of what I posted would be:

Batman has Rachel, safe, on the ground and is untying her from the chair. Meanwhile, Joker is trying to make his escape. Batman asks Rachel if she's okay and that when he gets his hands on Joker, Rachel stops him and kisses him quickly. Joker turns around from escaping through a door or whatever, and sees them kissing. He pulls a gun out of his pocket and aims it, Rachel pulls away from Batman and turns around. Joker fires the gun and the bullet rips through Rachel's stomach, knocking her to the ground. All the while Joker is laughing, and then escaping. Batman cries out her name in shock and drops to his knees, cradling her in his arms and telling her that she'll be okay, keeping pressure on the wound. Rachel whispers something and Batman leans over to hear, but it's too late. She dies in his arms. Batman starts sobbing and yelling, holding her close. Then, Joker's laughter echoes back from where he is, and Batman lays Rachel down gently, stands up and starts to run after Joker. Disappearing into the dark. Joker's running and laughing himself silly, screaming and carrying on. All the while Batman is following him, listening to his laughter and flashing back to when his parents died, then to when Rachel died. Getting angrier and angrier. Batman finally catches up to the Joker, Batman still in the shadows. He jumps up, his cape outstretched, and slams the Joker into the ground, jumping over him and landing on the ground. Joker still laughing, he pulls out his gun and aims it at Batman, Batman knocks it out of Joker's hand hard. At the same time hitting Joker in the face, maybe knocking out a tooth. Batman starts to pound into Joker, knocking him all over and around the area they're in. The Joker pulls out a switchblade and shoves it into Batman stomach, only to realize that it didn't cut anything. Batman knocks the blade away and slams Joker face into the wall, then swinging him around into another wall. Batman throws him to the ground and starts to strangle him, Joker still laughing and coughing up blood. Just then, a bullet hits the wall infront of Batman. Gordon's voice yelling at Batman to stop and put Joker down. Batman growls out "He killed Rachel...he killed Rachel..." Gordon says, "And he'll be brought to justice. But we can't sink down to his level. You kill him, and you'll be doing exactly what he wants you to. We have to show him our way works." Batman continues to strangle Joker, still mumbling a little. Gordon fires one more shot, a little closer to Batman's head. "I'm warning you. I WILL put you down if I have to. I know you're hurting, and believe me, I want to put one in his head too. But then, what makes us any different from him if we allow ourselves to do that?" Batman grits his teeth, then lets Joker fall to the ground. Coughing and wheezing, curling up into a ball. Giggling to himself. It starts to rain, and Batman and Gordon stand there over the Joker.

Love it!

But, I have to say...this would probably work best as either a sock puppet show or a Miami Vice episode.

[regwec]

Originally Posted by Bandyt

Hmm, I'm thinking Joker might shoot Rachael through the spine and then rape her. You know, TKJ Barbara style... I'm seeing Batman in Gordon's place going through the love tunnel with all the projected images of her body and...yeah. We all know Maggie Gyllenhaal has no problem taking her kit off.

Is this really what we've come to? Do you earnestly believe this to be a suitable or likely idea?

[Bandyt]

Regwec, you always shoot people down, you're always a negative a$$hole. It's just fun speculation. Lighten up.

[JStorm]

I thought the Joker just took pictures of Barbara?

Also, even though BB was gritty, and TDK will be darker, I think, I do not think a rape scene would be appropriate either.

[breyfogle_rules]

Originally Posted by Bandyt

Hmm, I'm thinking Joker might shoot Rachael through the spine and then rape her. You know, TKJ Barbara style... I'm seeing Batman in Gordon's place going through the love tunnel with all the projected images of her body and...yeah. We all know Maggie Gyllenhaal has no problem taking her kit off.

Now this I really can't see done in sock puppets.

[JStorm]

Originally Posted by Bandyt

Regwec, you always shoot people down, you're always a negative a$$hole. It's just fun speculation. Lighten up.

You gave one opinion; he gave another.

[TheBatman072]

Originally Posted by JStorm

I thought the Joker just took pictures of Barbara?

Also, even though BB was gritty, and TDK will be darker, I think, I do not think a rape scene would be appropriate either.

He did. Joker didn't rape Barbara.

[Bandyt]

I dunno, a few sources have said that he goes for the ones closest to Batman, so it seems he might find out who he is? I just think the Joker will find a way to serious ***** with/up Batman/Bruce.

[breyfogle_rules]

Originally Posted by Bandyt

Regwec, you always shoot people down, you're always a negative a$$hole. It's just fun speculation. Lighten up.

If you are interested enough to type out such an outburst, you should have the energy to take a closer look at the very valuable vibration that is Regwec.
His opinions are not mean-spirited, very informed and almost always from a unique perspective.
Please reconsider what you have interpreted as a slight.
A good start would be to read Regwecs EXCELLENT op-ed on the nature of love and friendship under the Batman moon tonight.

read this!

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...d.php?t=273703

[Antonello Blueberry]

Originally Posted by TheBatman072

He did. Joker didn't rape Barbara.

Were you there?

[regwec]

*takes out onion*

*sniff*

[Bandyt]

I assumed he did. Why take her clothes off for the camera's...Ah, It was just left to speculation. Never said he didn't, never said he did. Stop Rape, say Yes.

[JStorm]

[Bandyt]

Sorry, Regwec. I read it as a kind of spiteful criticism, because I'm kind of new here. Bit defensive, you know? It's just...try and show love and peace, yeah?

[TheBatman072]

Originally Posted by Antonello Blueberry

Were you there?

Were you?


If he raped her, wouldn't he show HIMSELF in the pictures? He just showed her, naked. To humiliate her and drive Gordon crazy.