Did Xavier ruin the mutants with the Mind Gem?

Red Mask · 02-26-2007, 08:55 AM

Based on the recent Illuminati story, do you think Prof. X screwed up the mutants' future with the Mind Gem? Could it be he's indirectly responsible for the bizarre Magneto appearances, including the ones in Morrison's run?

Duker Jay · 02-26-2007, 10:37 AM

It seems to me that Xavier got it after that...
Mr. Fantastic got the Power Gem from She-Hulk after she defeated Titania (was is?) in her book...that's what, in part anyways, sparked the search for the rest.
I don't know...I could be wrong but those issues of She-Hulk were pretty recent...

Darthphere · 02-26-2007, 10:41 AM

God, I hate the Illuminati for this **** now.

I think its safe to assume that the gems were never used, just because you have a gun, doesnt mean you have to shoot someone.

Colossal Spoons · 02-26-2007, 10:45 AM

Yeah, let's not go adding the gems to any convuluted fan-speculation. Having the gems given to the 6 members was an awesome idea but I think they really did just hide them with no intentions of using them.

Although, Wanda's antics could be pretty easily undone. Just sayin

Tropico · 02-26-2007, 01:08 PM

The Illuminati Infinity Gems fiasco should be a moronic idea that nobody else decides to follow or use. It's such utter nonsense that a future Illuminati (even #3) should show that they no longer have the gems. This is the kind of retcon Marvel zombies bit¢h about DC doing but their favorite company is just as guilty of using. Have I ranted enough on how idiotic this idea is? Because $h!t bad enough to warrant using at least one of the gems by their "keeper" HAS happened in the MU and they never used them; frak the whole "promise I won't use them" crap. And then for people to start talking about them as if they're the frakking Rings from Middle Earth............................

What angers me even more is that I've been left with the feeling that Bendthis has been leaving "seeds" for some future story where all of this "never happened but now it has because I said so" bullexcrement will come to a head.

Darthphere · 02-26-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tropico

The Illuminati Infinity Gems fiasco should be a moronic idea that nobody else decides to follow or use. It's such utter nonsense that a future Illuminati (even #3) should show that they no longer have the gems. This is the kind of retcon Marvel zombies bit¢h about DC doing but their favorite company is just as guilty of using. Have I ranted enough on how idiotic this idea is? Because $h!t bad enough to warrant using at least one of the gems by their "keeper" HAS happened in the MU and they never used them; frak the whole "promise I won't use them" crap. And then for people to start talking about them as if they're the frakking Rings from Middle Earth............................

What angers me even more is that I've been left with the feeling that Bendthis has been leaving "seeds" for some future story where all of this "never happened but now it has because I said so" bullexcrement will come to a head.

So wait, you hate it?

TheCorpulent1 · 02-26-2007, 01:17 PM

Hahaha, I love it when Trop goes into irrational b****ing mode.

Tropico · 02-26-2007, 01:21 PM

"Dee, dee, deen" should cover it,

Not Jake · 02-26-2007, 01:49 PM

Aren't you embarrassed to be quoting Carlos Mencia?

Darthphere · 02-26-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Jake

Aren't you embarrassed to be quoting Carlos Mencia?

Exactly.

Galact-Gal · 02-26-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Duker Jay

It seems to me that Xavier got it after that...
Mr. Fantastic got the Power Gem from She-Hulk after she defeated Titania (was is?) in her book...that's what, in part anyways, sparked the search for the rest.
I don't know...I could be wrong but those issues of She-Hulk were pretty recent...

SHE-HULK had an Infinity gem?!? I never read any of the Infinity L.S.'s, but I assumed those suckers were in outer space, or in the posession of some cosmic characters. How on earth did She-Hulk get hold of one?

Duker Jay · 02-26-2007, 02:22 PM

She-Hulk defeated the Champion of the Universe in the...um, Superhuman Law arc (I think) and he was in posession of the Power Gem but made a deal not to use it anymore...later on, he gave it to Titania who had a score to settle with Shulkie. According to the Illuminati issue, after She-Hulk defeated Titania, she gave the gem to Mr. Fantastic.

Unless I read that wrong...

LouFerignoDemon · 02-26-2007, 02:41 PM

I don't mind the idea, I just want to see where they lose them or something. Or whatever.

But I agree with another poster, just because they have them, doesn't mean they'll use em. Especially after Uatu just scolded them.

supermarvelman · 02-26-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Duker Jay

It seems to me that Xavier got it after that...
Mr. Fantastic got the Power Gem from She-Hulk after she defeated Titania (was is?) in her book...that's what, in part anyways, sparked the search for the rest.
I don't know...I could be wrong but those issues of She-Hulk were pretty recent...

Which issues of She-Hulk did that happen in? Was it during this current volume?

Roughneck · 02-26-2007, 03:25 PM

I think they should get those Gems off the planet.....at least some of them....in the galactic sheme of things one planey it pretty small if someone decides thet want to track the all down again.

I also wonder if this Illuminati mini is going to have an issue dealing with Onslaught.

PhotoJones · 02-26-2007, 04:50 PM

bendis has already done his version of the secret war; this new illuminati infinity gem crap is most likely going to set up for his version of an infinity crusade or something...

LouFerignoDemon · 02-26-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Roughneck

I think they should get those Gems off the planet.....at least some of them....in the galactic sheme of things one planey it pretty small if someone decides thet want to track the all down again.

I also wonder if this Illuminati mini is going to have an issue dealing with Onslaught.

Considering the large amount of force on Earth (without people like the Sentry), I doubt anyone short of Thanos and a person like Thanos is going to up and get the gems through force.

And maybe.

Red Mask · 02-26-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistress Gluon

Considering the large amount of force on Earth (without people like the Sentry), I doubt anyone short of Thanos and a person like Thanos is going to up and get the gems through force.

And maybe.

Thanos is dead. So someone else will have to come after it. But since Onslaught was born from Xavier's dark thoughts, it's possible the Mind Gem could have picked up on that same source.

Colossal Spoons · 02-26-2007, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistress Gluon

Considering the large amount of force on Earth (without people like the Sentry), I doubt anyone short of Thanos and a person like Thanos is going to up and get the gems through force.

And maybe.

Imagine if Annihilus had set his sights on them...

Duker Jay · 02-26-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by supermarvelman

Which issues of She-Hulk did that happen in? Was it during this current volume?

It's in the arc called "Superhuman Law" which is #7-12 of She-Hulk Vol. I.
That might be wrong...but I've got the trade for "Superhuman Law" and that starts with her having to fight (and, eventually defeat) the Champion of the Universe...

LouFerignoDemon · 02-26-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Mask

Thanos is dead. So someone else will have to come after it. But since Onslaught was born from Xavier's dark thoughts, it's possible the Mind Gem could have picked up on that same source.

Possible.

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Originally Posted by Colossal Spoons

Imagine if Annihilus had set his sights on them...

Most likely they'd utilize the gems against him. Like the Ultimate Nullifier.

Ahura Mazda · 02-27-2007, 04:16 AM

The She Hulk beating the Champion was extremely stupid and her beating anyone with a power gem is even more stupid.

And this whole gem thing is a pile of crap just as Tropico says so eloquently.

BrianWilly · 02-27-2007, 04:59 AM

Why would the mind gem have anything at all to do with the crap that mutants have gone through? Unless the past year and a half was all just a hallucination. If Xavier used the gems at all, which is unlikely, don't you think that he would have used it to, oh, make the situation better for mutants and not worse?? Seriously.

And this Illuminati issue occurred after Disassembled, so it can't be responsible for any of that Xorneto disaster. No, Marvel and Bendis fcked all that up for themselves; no use blaming anything else for it.

Varient · 02-27-2007, 08:04 AM

Meh.

"IF" the Gems had been present,.... The entire last Five years of Real Time Comics Wouldn't have happened the way they did.

Red Mask · 02-27-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianWilly

Why would the mind gem have anything at all to do with the crap that mutants have gone through? Unless the past year and a half was all just a hallucination. If Xavier used the gems at all, which is unlikely, don't you think that he would have used it to, oh, make the situation better for mutants and not worse?? Seriously.

And this Illuminati issue occurred after Disassembled, so it can't be responsible for any of that Xorneto disaster. No, Marvel and Bendis fcked all that up for themselves; no use blaming anything else for it.

There's always enough blame to go around. Since this takes place after the Xorn episodes, then what could have Xavier have done with the Mind Gem?

02-26-2007, 08:55 AM	#1
Red Mask Human Killing Machine Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,684	Did Xavier ruin the mutants with the Mind Gem? Based on the recent Illuminati story, do you think Prof. X screwed up the mutants' future with the Mind Gem? Could it be he's indirectly responsible for the bizarre Magneto appearances, including the ones in Morrison's run?

02-26-2007, 10:37 AM	#2
Duker Jay Side-Kick Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Baxter Building Posts: 1,389	Re: Did Xavier ruin the mutants with the Mind Gem? It seems to me that Xavier got it after that... Mr. Fantastic got the Power Gem from She-Hulk after she defeated Titania (was is?) in her book...that's what, in part anyways, sparked the search for the rest. I don't know...I could be wrong but those issues of She-Hulk were pretty recent... __________________ Holger Danske Comic Blog - My comic concept Duker Jay's Art Thread

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Colossal Spoons :argh: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: A bar on Oa Posts: 61,182	Re: Did Xavier ruin the mutants with the Mind Gem? Yeah, let's not go adding the gems to any convuluted fan-speculation. Having the gems given to the 6 members was an awesome idea but I think they really did just hide them with no intentions of using them. Although, Wanda's antics could be pretty easily undone. Just sayin __________________ Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris

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Tropico Crusty, ol' curmudgeon. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Looking for intelligent life in the Hype. Posts: 7,813	Re: Did Xavier ruin the mutants with the Mind Gem? The Illuminati Infinity Gems fiasco should be a moronic idea that nobody else decides to follow or use. It's such utter nonsense that a future Illuminati (even #3) should show that they no longer have the gems. This is the kind of retcon Marvel zombies bit¢h about DC doing but their favorite company is just as guilty of using. Have I ranted enough on how idiotic this idea is? Because $h!t bad enough to warrant using at least one of the gems by their "keeper" HAS happened in the MU and they never used them; frak the whole "promise I won't use them" crap. And then for people to start talking about them as if they're the frakking Rings from Middle Earth............................ What angers me even more is that I've been left with the feeling that Bendthis has been leaving "seeds" for some future story where all of this "never happened but now it has because I said so" bullexcrement will come to a head. __________________ Iron Man: Hey, I can top all of you. I slept with Madame Masque, so... Namor: WHO?! Iron Man: Metal face. Kinda looks like Doctor Doom. Dr. Strange: Why would you sleep with a woman who looks like DR. DOOM! Iron Man: Moving on...

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Duker Jay Side-Kick Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Baxter Building Posts: 1,389	Re: Did Xavier ruin the mutants with the Mind Gem? She-Hulk defeated the Champion of the Universe in the...um, Superhuman Law arc (I think) and he was in posession of the Power Gem but made a deal not to use it anymore...later on, he gave it to Titania who had a score to settle with Shulkie. According to the Illuminati issue, after She-Hulk defeated Titania, she gave the gem to Mr. Fantastic. Unless I read that wrong... __________________ Holger Danske Comic Blog - My comic concept Duker Jay's Art Thread

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