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Old 04-17-2014, 04:39 PM   #401
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I have to laugh at people who try to say S:TM was campy.That was why the film was so revolutionary.Because Donner treated the subject with a respect that was mostly lacking before.All too often people mistake comedy for "camp".You want camp in action,watch 60's Batman.It's a far cry from the comedy in S:TM.
Lutherīs plan was pretty campy. His overall performance was also campy. Yeah, we had the Superman story turned into a comedy. Thatīs fine. But i donīt see the problem with someone doing something more serious with the character.

Oh, and the movie had success because it came out in 1978. It was a big budget production about a Superhero, in a time where that had never happened before.

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Lutherīs plan was pretty campy. His overall performance was also campy. Yeah, we had the Superman story turned into a comedy. Thatīs fine. But i donīt see the problem with someone doing something more serious with the character.

Oh, and the movie had success because it came out in 1978. It was a big budget production about a Superhero, in a time where that had never happened before.
The movie had success because it was good first and foremost.

Saying the film was "a comedy" was about the most staggeringly outrageous thing you've said yet,and in your case that's saying quite a lot.

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Old 04-17-2014, 04:45 PM   #403
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The movie had success because it was good first and foremost.

Saying the film was "a comedy" was about the most staggeringly outrageous thing you've said yet,and in your case that's saying quite a lot.
A good part of it looked pretty laughable to me. Sometimes you do a comedy without even noticing.

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There's a big difference in having some comedy in a film and being a comedy film.

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Anytime someone tries to imply STM was more comical than serious, I know not to take their opinion seriously.

The funny thing is, that crticism often comes from MOS fans, who get dramatic when someone says that MOS was too dark/serious/joyless.

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Old 04-17-2014, 06:08 PM   #406
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There's a big difference in having some comedy in a film and being a comedy film.
Thereīs a big difference between having some comedy and some of the main characters of the movie being completely laughable and cartoonish.

Itīs a live action cartoon. Itīs not a movie trying to pretend Superman exists. Itīs a movie trying to pretend a cartoon show with real people exists.

And iīm not even saying thatīs a bad thing. I grew up watching those movies and i loved them. So they did a good job. They have their place in history. I just donīt see the problem with having a little more serious approach.

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I don't necessarily want to see a film like STM again...I just want a modern Superman movie that can actually match or surpass it. That's what the Superman film franchise needs more than anything else.
I don't want to see Donner's Superman all over again, but I miss the optimism and fun from the classic movies. And, I like Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, but I think it would have been refreshing to see a lighter Superman movie after the TDK series ended...maybe something like Superman for all Seasons.

Maybe Superman vs Batman will surprise me (I hope so), but it seems to me that we'll get a Watchmen-inspired DC Universe. Dark, depressing and "realistic".

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Whatīs heart-warming about the film? Him wanting to bang Lois and vice versa, and half of the movie being about that, or everything feeling like a live action version of a cartoon for 8 year old kids?
Are sure you didn't watch a porn movie or something?

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Anytime someone tries to imply STM was more comical than serious, I know not to take their opinion seriously.

The funny thing is, that crticism often comes from MOS fans, who get dramatic when someone says that MOS was too dark/serious/joyless.
Yes, if you don't like MOS, it's only because of Richard Donner's movie. Or you're a Marvel fanboy...

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There's a big difference in having some comedy in a film and being a comedy film.
Terminator 2 will probably be considered campy in the near future, because of the humor. Or The Green Mile...pure camp!

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Old 04-17-2014, 06:26 PM   #411
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Are sure you didn't watch a porn movie or something?


Iīve seen some porno movies making more sense than STM.

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Whatīs heart-warming about the film? Him wanting to bang Lois and vice versa, and half of the movie being about that, or everything feeling like a live action version of a cartoon for 8 year old kids?
The Smallville scenes are very heart-warming.

The way he introduces himself to Metropolis by saving people is very endearing.

The entire score is an inspiration.

Superman is willing to break the rules and turn back time to save Lois. He doesn't let her die while she chases as dog.

and how can anyone forget the reassuring smile in space.

Yeah, most of the movie has heart. You don't have to be a kid to see it either.

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Old 04-17-2014, 07:36 PM   #413
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The Smallville scenes are very heart-warming.

The way he introduces himself to Metropolis by saving people is very endearing.

The entire score is an inspiration.

Superman is willing to break the rules and turn back time to save Lois. He doesn't let her die while she chases as dog.

and how can anyone forget the reassuring smile in space.

Yeah, most of the movie has heart. You don't have to be a kid to see it either.
Man of Steel also had heart-warming moments. But there are things you mentioned that simply wouldnīt have worked in this universe.

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Iīve seen some porno movies making more sense than STM.
I don't think Man of Steel made much sense.

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1. Clark saves people. His father tells him to stop. The world isn't ready! Hide your powers! Clark lets his depressed father die. Then he saves people at sea. Is the world ready now?

2. He turns the other cheek at the bar, because if he tells the trucker to leave, he would expose himself (or something like that). Then he quits his job because he's allergic to beer. The not so very nice trucker finds his truck destroyed...strange coincidence.

3. The world is ready! He's going to save us all! He doesn't, even though the girl says "he saved us all" or something like that. I think she inhaled too much dust and crap when the buildings fell.

4. Superman breaks Zod's neck and cries. In the next scenes, he's happy again. The city was destroyed. But at the end, everything is back to normal.


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Man of Steel also had heart-warming moments. But there are things you mentioned that simply wouldnīt have worked in this universe.
You're right about that, Man of Steel had many good moments. Too bad they messed it up...I hope they'll clean up the mess in Superman vs Batman, but I'm starting to doubt it. It's too early for a team-up movie, in my opinion...we don't even know Superman yet.

I think the only thing MessiahDecoy mentioned that wouldn't work is the time travel stuff.

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Iīve seen some porno movies making more sense than STM.
He should've been banned on this nonsensical statement alone.

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Old 04-20-2014, 04:39 AM   #417
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He should've been banned on this nonsensical statement alone.
Looks like he's banned now.

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Space Ghost has been trolling a lot of places. Someone finally gave him the hard push.

The only part of STM that didn't make a lot of sense to me was the spinning the world back in time thing.

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It was symbolic.

When someone we love dies we wish we could turn back the hands of time.

Superman used his powers to do just that.

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Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor is pretty underrated.

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Old 05-21-2014, 07:51 PM   #421
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I agree. He's a solid villain who is true to Lex Luthor's character, but just fell victim to typical Hollywood writing by having to play comedic bits. Those bits are still funny, though.

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I don't think Man of Steel made much sense.

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1. Clark saves people. His father tells him to stop. The world isn't ready! Hide your powers! Clark lets his depressed father die. Then he saves people at sea. Is the world ready now?
He was doing things 'anonymously'. Moving on from place to place, never using his real name and never staying long enough to get attached to anyone. Clark could have simply got a 9-5 job and never used his powers, but he felt compelled to help people in need despite the risk of exposing himself - if that's not truly Superman in character, what is?

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2. He turns the other cheek at the bar, because if he tells the trucker to leave, he would expose himself (or something like that). Then he quits his job because he's allergic to beer. The not so very nice trucker finds his truck destroyed...strange coincidence.


Strange indeed

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3. The world is ready! He's going to save us all! He doesn't, even though the girl says "he saved us all" or something like that. I think she inhaled too much dust and crap when the buildings fell.


Zod was going to destroy humanity. And humanity couldn't stop him. So Superman did. How is that not saving us all?

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4. Superman breaks Zod's neck and cries. In the next scenes, he's happy again. The city was destroyed. But at the end, everything is back to normal.


He killed Zod. We have no idea when the next scene takes place - it could be weeks afterwards. What did you expect, he's going to sit round crying about it forever? It was an emotional moment for him, then he moved on.

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Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor is pretty underrated.
Yeah. It's easy to look back now and feel like we're sick of the real-estate-obsessed-Lex Luthor, but at the time it was a very fresh approach and Hackman did a great job of truly portraying him as a devious egomaniac who would let nothing get in his way.

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Old 06-03-2014, 05:34 PM   #424
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It's such a modern fan misconception that seriousness = quality and comedy = substandard.

And yet fans love Robert Downey Jr, who wise-cracks his way through a role that was never funny in the comics.

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^ I find that those who think "seriousness = quality" also generally look down upon the Marvel Studio films. Like STM, they feel the need to try and take those movies down a peg.


In any event, I think its mistake STM for being comedic. The entire first hour is serious. Its only when we reach Metorpolis that comedic elements creep in. Even then, having moments of levity does not make a movie a comedy.

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