Anthony Michael Hall in TDK

[Crook]

Originally Posted by Laderlappen

That is not even remotely the same.

Gordon and Batman are talking about a murderer. Showing the card to reveal who it is.

Anthony Michael Hall is playing a character name Mike Engel. Write on a piece of paper is what everybody does like everyday. Nobody is gonna pay attention on a very minor character writing on a piece of paper. Some people think that AMH can be somebody else and thats why you think it would be easy to get. But if you think some random person would get that AMH would just suddenly be somebody else by writing on a piece of paper, then you ARE a moron. How many times has a character become a different character like that? And how many of those times wasnt the character mentioned or dressed as the character? Seriously, get real!

I dont see a difference between Rachel feeding her cats and Engel writing on a piece of paper. What if Rachel drew a little kitty, would that make everybody go 'So Rachel is Catwoman ey'? And dont say that's not the same thing. Like I said, the only reason you see it working is that you see AMH playing a different character than he is even before the movie starts, and that you are prepared to see some sort of reveal.

I just told you in one sentence why the shot would be more significant than the rest; that if the scene is true, then most than likely Nolan will make sure it's not a throwaway scene.

This wouldn't be a case of an audience member picking something up at 2 hours 26 minutes and 3 seconds in, at the far right of the screen. That's precisely what you would be describing because those are shots that aren't supposed to be anything. However, for such a crucial moment, Nolan would not simply flash a clue only the die-hard fans would get.

A simple panning shot on Engel, building music, "Who is the Batman?" boldly written on paper, a slow zoom on the question mark finally taking up the entire screen to which the music blares triumphantly..... something like THAT, you're honestly gonna tell me that's not not gonna make people think: "hrm, you know, maybe the director is trying to tell us something here?"

[batman_1982]

Just curious if anyone knows if AMH is signed on for the third batman?

[mackblack01]

Originally Posted by Crook

I just told you in one sentence why the shot would be more significant than the rest; that if the scene is true, then most than likely Nolan will make sure it's not a throwaway scene.

This wouldn't be a case of an audience member picking something up at 2 hours 26 minutes and 3 seconds in, at the far right of the screen. That's precisely what you would be describing because those are shots that aren't supposed to be anything. However, for such a crucial moment, Nolan would not simply flash a clue only the die-hard fans would get.

A simple panning shot on Engel, building music, "Who is the Batman?" boldly written on paper, a slow zoom on the question mark finally taking up the entire screen to which the music blares triumphantly..... something like THAT, you're honestly gonna tell me that's not not gonna make people think: "hrm, you know, maybe the director is trying to tell us something here?"

Lol, damn right! I actually can imagine this scene like that, but instead of the camera zoom in on the question mark, the camera zoom out to let us see a room full of question marks and show how obsessed Engel became.

[Alexia Dark]

Or... he could write it with a really big green marker [/random].

[bdaythug]

has it even been confirmed there will be a sequel to the dark knight?

[Aidan2209]

Yeah, having AMH play the Riddler would pretty much mean that they plan on doing a third film, and I haven't heard any indication that that's their intention. It isn't simply a calling card, which is just a tip of the hat to Batman's greatest nemesis, it's someone being cast as a villain we know doesn't have a starring role in the film.

[Crook]

Kinda like....Harvey Dent.

[batman_1982]

Originally Posted by bdaythug

has it even been confirmed there will be a sequel to the dark knight?

I've read that Eckhart had signed on for two batman films, which would heavily indicate that WB has serious intentions of doing a third batman film.

[Aidan2209]

Originally Posted by Crook

Kinda like....Harvey Dent.

That could be a complete story arc within The Dark Knight, though. It isn't the same. Bruce's journey in Begins was a complete arc, but Nolan has stated in an interview that in The Dark Knight his intention is to make it feel like this is a continuation of that arc, and that the two are inseperable. If they do a third film, I'd imagine it'd be a similar deal, particularly with Harvey.

For the record, I don't buy the whole Riddler thing.

[Hole Shot]

Is there a boot a of the latest Gotham Tonight yet on youtube? I can't wait for tomorrow!

[Figs]

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[Nepenthes]

Originally Posted by Laderlappen

I know who the riddler is. But come on think about it. Pretend all this riddler speculation didnt exist. We would see him being a reporter in the movie for what we can assume being a very small part. Then we see him drawing a question mark on a paper. I know it might sound good, it wouldnt be a that good reveal because everybody writes question marks at the end of questions. It would be like if the last scene of Batman Begins Earl would look at a purple jacket in a store and we would assume he has become the Joker or if the last scene of Rachel we would see her being in her house feeding her cat and assume that she would become Catwoman.

You cant have him playing a character call Mike Engel and then by writing a question mark on a piece of paper we would assume that he is playing the villian Riddler which is a different character of which hw is playing. It doesnt work.

What COULD work though is if you have the riddler in a movie but we or Batman dont know who it is. We only see him finding letters from the riddler in different places with different riddles. In a case like that it would work. Because then the audience are aware that the Riddler is in the movie and will be thinking 'Who is the Riddler' through out the whole movie. The a guy writing a questionmark would be enough for the people to know.

Ah ok I see what you're getting at. I thought you meant that Riddler is too obscure to be remembered, but you're actually saying that the reveal, as it is described so far, is too obscure to recall his name. apologies for being thick on that.

Crook's right in that alot of it will be shaped by the direction of the scene. Mood, emphasis, it will depend on a feeling of importance being attached. And that's if the scene isn't already suspicious enough, why else would you show Engel just sitting in a room? The very fact he's still in the movie at this stage will start ringing alarm bells. And then a lingering shot on the question mark and suddenly it will click.

Also keep in mind that the film will be building Engels character in this direction long before the reveal occurs. If the scene happened in isolation I'd agree with your concerns, but it does not. We'll already know that Engel is antagonistic, aligned with investigations and mysteries, has a thing for Bruce as well as Batman, and has somehow become thwarted and vengeful in the course of his blackmail. So we're gonna be feeling his resentment as he ponders Batmans secret. He'll already feel like a villain! So now drawing the question mark is just giving him a name.

That said, I have to say that the spoiler is probably fake. Its clearly missing some information, I think if the poster really knew what was up he wouldn't omit other important details on the way of Engels character arc. In fact the spoiler reveals nothing we didn't already know, or couldn't guess at easily ourselves. I myself and several others have talked about drawing a question mark on a piece of paper. Its just too easy to put out, if the poster was genuine he would have more details on offer. Something we couldn't have come up with ourselves. So there we go, I'm rejecting a spoiler thats supports my own theory

[Laderlappen]

Alright, alright! If you agree with me or not, you must understand how somebody can doubt that some minor character can become another famous character like the Riddler WITHOUT having the riddler mentioned or having him dressed up as him, but by doing something everybody does like drawing or writing on a peice of paper, would work.
In my opinion, I think slow zooms and building music would make it more of a WTF moment than a reveal. And even if it weren't it definetly would be for the people who doesnt read the comics or has not heard of the RIddler. But you have to understand how someone can doubt something like that would work.

Like I said before if we had the riddler in the movie without knowing who he is or have him mention, the audience would expect some sort of reveal of who it is. Then it would have been a pretty decent idea.

[selinakyle415]

[Advocate05]

Just wanna add to the speculation. Didn't BB establish that there are Lazerus Pits? If Engel dies, could he not be reborn ala Hush and then becomes E.Nygma?

[Eggyman]

Originally Posted by Advocate05

Just wanna add to the speculation. Didn't BB establish that there are Lazerus Pits? If Engel dies, could he not be reborn ala Hush and then becomes E.Nygma?

To my knowlede Begins established no such thing.

[Jacobhiggins]

I'm not sure if you guys are watching the new comcast videos, but Anthony's character is clearly biased against batman and thinks he should should be arrested and brought to justice. We know Anthony's character is supposedly obessesed with Bruce Wayne but these videos are also showing he hates Batman. Also these videos are rounding out the story and are hinting at certain aspects and characters from the Dark Knight

It seems like such a good set up to the Riddler. Is anybody being influenced by these comcast videos, either Engle becoming the Riddler or Engle not becoming the Riddler?

[alexdunn]

I seriously doubt Mike Engle will turn out to be the Riddler. I'm very surprised anyone still does! I think his main part in TDK will be a reporter who figures out that Bruce is Batman. But that's just my guess.

[bkey]

Have you all read any of the reviews. One of the first ones that came out (I think it was on rotten tomatoes), someone asked about Mike Engel, and the guy said he has a very small role, appears on T.V a lot.

His role (other than being on television screens) is that Reese approaches him about knowing Batman's identity, but the Joker makes a threat, causing Reese to have to be escorted out of the station by the police. Then the Joker uses Engel to make a television broadcast. That is all. There is no question mark reveal or anything like that.

[nolan's roll'n]

So is he the Riddler or not?

[bkey]

He's not.

[alexdunn]

I was a little close.

[Sub-Zero]

apparently 3 main people die in this movie. we've "confirmed" two-face, and of course rachel, so i'm saying the third is mike engel, you can't have anyone knowing batman's identity other than alfred live.

[Majik1387]

Originally Posted by Sub-Zero

apparently 3 main people die in this movie. we've "confirmed" two-face, and of course rachel, so i'm saying the third is mike engel, you can't have anyone knowing batman's identity other than alfred live.

Fox knows.

[bkey]

Originally Posted by Sub-Zero

apparently 3 main people die in this movie. we've "confirmed" two-face, and of course rachel, so i'm saying the third is mike engel, you can't have anyone knowing batman's identity other than alfred live.

Would Loeb or the mayor be considered major?