How has the media outside of comics effected comic characters and stories?

[Artistsean]

I was thinking of this early this morning,

How has the media outside of comics, like cartoons, TV, movies, music, radio, effected comic characters and stories?

For example Batman comics now has Harley Quinn, Clay Face is sort of a big monsterous thing,
I heard the the Superman radio show was responcible for much of Superman's origin and powers, and the cartoon is responcible for "Faster than a speeding bullet..."

So what are some other examples of how the other mediums have effected comics, characters, and stories?

[Spike_x1]

Superman's big crystal fortress, along with Ursa and Non, being brought in from the Donnerverse.

Metallo suddenly wanting his human body again, way back in the first arc of Batman/Superman, just like in STAS.

Livewire becoming a Superman villain.

The Parasite taking a step back from this:


And becoming this, much more in line with STAS:

Originally Posted by Artistsean

I was thinking of this early this morning,

How has the media outside of comics, like cartoons, TV, movies, music, radio, effected comic characters and stories?

For example Batman comics now has Harley Quinn, Clay Face is sort of a big monsterous thing,
I heard the the Superman radio show was responcible for much of Superman's origin and powers, and the cartoon is responcible for "Faster than a speeding bullet..."

So what are some other examples of how the other mediums have effected comics, characters, and stories?

Your correct on that the radio gave Superman

• Kryptonite
• The power of Flight
• Jimmy Olsen
• Heat Vision
• Super Breath

and a few other things I just don't remember at the moment. The movie gave Superman Crystal technology and the FOS we have now. Superman: TAS gave us Mercy and the look for the new Toyman. Lois and Clark lead to the wedding of Superman and Lois.

[Tropico]

There's this little show called Smallville...

Originally Posted by Tropico

There's this little show called Smallville...

True but SV is used more in Supergirl then Superman. SV has not been brought into Superman. And before you say it was used in Birthright Waid has stated that he did not use SV for Birthright and the single great thing to come from the show was they made the Kent's younger

[TheCorpulent1]

Um... Smallville brought the element of Lex Luthor and Clark Kent being friends as kids. I don't care what Waid has stated, since this is based on comments from Superman characters after IC made Birthright just one part of the many disparate elements that now make up Superman's cumbersome and ridiculously complicated backstory. Lex and Clark's Smallville relationship now pretty much exists in the comics as it does in the show, and if you believe the show didn't have anything to do with that, you're pretty gullible.

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

Um... Smallville brought the element of Lex Luthor and Clark Kent being friends as kids. I don't care what Waid has stated, since this is based on comments from Superman characters after IC made Birthright just one part of the many disparate elements that now make up Superman's cumbersome and ridiculously complicated backstory. Lex and Clark's Smallville relationship now pretty much exists in the comics as it does in the show, and if you believe the show didn't have anything to do with that, you're pretty gullible.

Well I look at that dealing more with Silver Age Superboy/Superman then SV. I just think they had to change it around because of the lawsuit. But to each its own.

[Tropico]

They weren't friends Pre-Crisis. Superman was even responsible for Lex losing his hair as a teen which set him off on his "I hate Superman/boy" road. The friendship thing is definitely Smallville inspired. Did they put Chloe in the comics already or was that just something that never materialized?

Originally Posted by Tropico

They weren't friends Pre-Crisis. Superman was even responsible for Lex losing his hair as a teen which set him off on his "I hate Superman/boy" road. The friendship thing is definitely Smallville inspired. Did they put Chloe in the comics already or was that just something that never materialized?

Are you serious? Superboy and Lex Luthor started out as friends in the Pre-Crisis. They were great friends and Superboy even built Lex a lab to work out of and Lex vowed to find a cure to kryptonite to help Superboy but then one day a fire broke out and Superboy used his Super-Breath to blow the fire out which sent chemicals all over the place causing Luthor's hair to fall out which sparked him hating Superboy/ Superman. But they were friends before hand.

As for Chloe DC has said no to the idea. Chloe was suppose to come when they were going to relaunch Superboy's series and she was suppose to be like his Lois/Lana.

[ImrtlLimpWrist]

Clark and Lex were definitely friends starting out in the Superboy comics in the 60s. You just have to be old to remember! I believe the story behind Lex going bald was Superboy interrupting one of Lex's experiments and chemicals either being splashed on Lex or SB having to blow out a lab fire and the chemical-laced smoke is blown in Lex's direction.

Nothing in comics is ever new. Except the readers.

[TheCorpulent1]

Either way, a Lex/Clark past before Metropolis sucks, as far as I'm concerned. I never saw any need whatsoever to tie them together beyond their present-day struggles with each other.

[DawnWarrior]

Mr. Freeze's origin from the cartoon was incorporated into the comics.

[Anubis]

Cuz it was way better.

[TheCorpulent1]

Huh. According to Wikipedia, he didn't really have much of a backstory in the comics at all before the B:TAS one was incorporated. Also, he was initially called "Mr. Zero" until the '60s Batman TV series changed his name to "Mr. Freeze," which was then incorporated into the comics. Apparently the comics have never really done anything right with Mr. Freeze.

[Artistsean]

If Smallville effects Supergirl that still counts as effecting a comic book or a comic character or storyline.

As for Clak and Lex they were friends in the comics in precrissis and then in Superfriends and in Smallville, but I thought they retconned that out.

Mr. Freeze's origin was created by the cartoon.
I might be remebering this wrong, but when they did the final origin for him in a comic, they siad something about getting it down and right and they used the cartoon version. OK, now that I think about it I can't remember.
Maybe they said that they wanted to get the origin of him done before the cartoon or something, I don't know. All I remember is that they said they did the Mr. Freeze origin because of the cartoon. And I think it was a good reaction to the cartoon and not a bad one.
But I do know that in the 70s cartoons they used to introduce Mr. Freeze as "the cool crule M.r Freeze. Who is he an icy alien or ..." and they went on with a few outlandish ideas that sort of flowed.

Was Joker's origin or character, besides adding Harley, effected at all by the other medias? What about Two-Face?

What about any other characters besides Batman and Superman?
What about Wonder Woman or Flash?

Originally Posted by ImrtlLimpWrist

Clark and Lex were definitely friends starting out in the Superboy comics in the 60s. You just have to be old to remember! I believe the story behind Lex going bald was Superboy interrupting one of Lex's experiments and chemicals either being splashed on Lex or SB having to blow out a lab fire and the chemical-laced smoke is blown in Lex's direction.

Nothing in comics is ever new. Except the readers.

Thank You, all I am saying SV has some what made its way into the comics but not through Superman but through Supergirl with the Black K and the poster of Lois from SV.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, I guess that's just another of the many reasons to hate the new Supergirl.

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally Posted by Artistsean

Was Joker's origin or character, besides adding Harley, effected at all by the other medias? What about Two-Face?

As far as I know, the Joker still doesn't have a totally definitive origin story. The one the cartoon used was Alan Moore's version, where the Joker is a failed stand-up comedian who becomes a thug for a crime boss so he can support his wife. But while he and some other henchmen are breaking into a chemical plant, Batman arrives and the soon-to-be-Joker panics and leaps into a vat of chemicals. Seeing how the chemicals have disfigured him and (I think) learning that his wife died while he was away, he just loses it and becomes the Joker. Pretty good origin, I'd say. It works well, but it remains vague enough that the Joker doesn't lose his mystique.

[Steelsheen]

well, most of the Superman stuff i was about to say was already mentioned.

btw Conan there's a Superman series called "Birthright", that had obvious influences from Smallville.

Originally Posted by Artistsean

What about any other characters besides Batman and Superman?
What about Wonder Woman or Flash?

well there werent much "other media" about WW other than the TV series and Superfriends. the latter didnt influence anything AFAIK but the TV series had Lynda Carter doing the spin to transform (instead of the twirling lasso transformation). that wasnt in the comics before and was incorporated later on in some storylines.

[Mandi-chan]

Teen Titans Vol.3/OYL: Raven's powers and outfit are more like those she had in CN's 2003 toon.

Are we allowed to discuss non-DC comics in this thread?

In TMNT Vol. 4, the Battle Nexus (a new toon creation) was added into the comics.

Those are the only ones I can think of that had not been mentioned yet.

I'm not a heavy comic reader, so my knowledge is somewhat limited.

[Speedball]

Barbara Gordon exists because of the Batman TV series.

[DawnWarrior]

Originally Posted by Conan

Thank You, all I am saying SV has some what made its way into the comics but not through Superman but through Supergirl with the Black K and the poster of Lois from SV.

That's right! The Black Kryptonite showed up on Smallville before appearing in the comics! Apparently it splits people into their good and evil selves.

[3dman27]

Originally Posted by Steelsheen

well, most of the Superman stuff i was about to say was already mentioned.

btw Conan there's a Superman series called "Birthright", that had obvious influences from Smallville.


well there werent much "other media" about WW other than the TV series and Superfriends. the latter didnt influence anything AFAIK but the TV series had Lynda Carter doing the spin to transform (instead of the twirling lasso transformation). that wasnt in the comics before and was incorporated later on in some storylines.

as for wonder woman the security agency angle from ths second season [when the show was updated to the modern day] was incorperated in the comics as part of the u.n.

[Dr. Fate]

Wasn't Kyle Rayner ousted from being the star Green Lantern so John Stewart could get back as the star after Stewart became the primary Green Lantern for Justice League: The Animated Series/JLU (2001-2006)?

[3dman27]

yes he was