The Official Budget & Box Office Thread

[dude love]

Originally Posted by LadyVader

Those are also the demographics that require you to "dumb" down the movie. Not that Superman Returns was particularly smart mind you.

Yeah, because having Superman return to Earth exactly the way he left it five years ago is so smart.

[LadyVader]

I did specify that SR was not particularly smart or did you not bother to read my entire ginarmous post. All two phrases of it.

[Cats]

Originally Posted by Upper_Krust

Positives:

1. It can't possibly be as bad as the first.

Oh I can imagine that it could get worse, I just dare not envision it.

[dude love]

Originally Posted by LadyVader

I did specify that SR was not particularly smart or did you not bother to read my entire ginarmous post. All two phrases of it.

Look, did you not call Superman Returns dumb? Yes, you did. I was defending it, I think it's you who wasn't paying attention.

EDIT: Oh, f**k. I meant to say dumb instead of smart in the other post.... goddamn I'm embarrassed.

[DarkSuperman]

Originally Posted by sepharih

Yes, we’re saying it hasn’t made a single red cent. Theaters take roughly half of the ticket sales first off, and the films budget doesn’t account for the marketing costs to try and get people interested in the movies, among other things.
In today’s market, most films need to make roughly 3 times their budget in order to even start seeing a profit. At the absolute most, if DVD sales go through the roof, this film has a chance at breaking even. Any “profit” they get will be of no real significance.

And yes, the next film does have a chance to make money, IF: they correct the rather embarrassing marketing mistakes they made with the first one, making a more entertaining and action oriented film, and the WB needs to recognize when it’s out of its league. Honestly, whoever thought the Superman name would be able to stand up to the collective stardom of Depp, Bloom, and Knightly needs to be committed.

Yup, thats all very true. Marketing and Ads cost upwards of 50 to 60 million these days. You didnt think you were seeing Routh on your cereal box and pop tarts for free did ya? Thats called Advertising. All those SR ads on food products, Commercials, plus the 50% Cut they gotta pay the theaters and I think they may actually more in the hole than above it.

I mean you heard the Exec Dude they WANTED it to make 500 million. That means in order for them to make their money back and turn a profit it had to make about 200 million more than it did. Now that they have a lame setup I doubt they'll make MORE money than the first...I mean it hardly set the stage like Spider-man LOL I have dozens of friends who wont go see SR cause they think it's boring and his suit looks ridiculous. And I cant really disagree with them.

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Maze!

Originally Posted by Maze

LOL that's why it just did one, of the best first week in rentals of the year

Behind all the other movies that beat it at the box office no doubt, like X-Men 3.

In the grand scheme of 2006 obviously it was going to be one of the top ten selling dvds of the year. It was one of the top ten grossing movies of the year. But the simple fact of the matter is that it underperformed massively at the box office.

Originally Posted by Maze

There is something called Wom ..and the ultimate proof of that is the Dvd market (and the numbers in sell from what we hear are rather good too...) but feel free to invent new things because you didn't like the movie

I don't need to invent the fact that a lot of people were unhappy with Singer's vision (or lack thereof). The proof is in the pudding. The box office stank.

As for dvd sales its not breaking any records. Its basically doing as you would expect - okay for a movie of that stature.

The bottom line is, returning to my initial point if I may, that a lot of people are going to be put off going to see the Man of Steel because Superman Returns bored them to tears.

[DarkSuperman]

Originally Posted by Maze

Hi Upper_Krust !

No no no , it was boring to you and some others people make no mistake.. it's becoming more clear everyday that a good majority liked this movie.

There's a good majority of people in the world who like molesting children, doesn't mean that the rest of the world agrees with them. Same deal with SR. Its NOT about the million who went and thought it was alright...its about the Hundreds of Millions who didnt and think it is Blah. Because If that other percentage who DIDNT go see it spent their money on it then it would have been as successful as Spiderman and we wouldn't be here debating whether or not Singer should do another one or whether it will make any money, we'd be speculating about who the next villain will be.

Bottom Line: Just Cause a couple people went to see it and liked it. Doesn't mean its the Holy Grail of Superhero films, thats Spider-man, hah!

[DarkSuperman]

Originally Posted by Upper_Krust

Hi Maze!

Behind all the other movies that beat it at the box office no doubt, like X-Men 3.

The bottom line is, returning to my initial point if I may, that a lot of people are going to be put off going to see the Man of Steel because Superman Returns bored them to tears.

I totally Agree with my man, UK.

Superman is doing okay in the DVD's department, but it wasnt no 5 million in one freaking day like my main man Jack Sparrow!!! Hahahahaha!

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have laughed like that. What I meant to say was...Jack Sparrow, spanked Superman's ass not only at the box office, but on the arena of DVD's and rentals too! Never thought I'd see the day when a flamboyant gay pirate would defeat Superman, but then again he really didnt beat Superman did he? It was SINGERMAN!

Hah!

[Upper_Krust]

Hey LadyVader!

Originally Posted by LadyVader

The prequels were kind of dumb.

I disagree - I thought Jar Jar was dumb but the story has more layers to it than you might think.

Originally Posted by LadyVader

Lots of people (me included) outside of the dedicated fanbase found the LOTR movies to be boring. Great movies, but boring, and to be honest I don't think I could sit through them again.

I agree with you to an extent - 3+ hours is a hell of a long movie. Its not something I would watch with any regularity (though I made an exception for Return of the King a few weeks ago).

Originally Posted by LadyVader

Spiderman has played it safe so far, for the kids' benefit (I truely hated Aunt May's speech in Spiderman 2), but Spiderman 3 is likely to change that.

"Played it safe" - what on Earth are you talking about? Please explain.

Originally Posted by LadyVader

X-men 3 is another perfect example of a dumbed down movie, for the sake of the non-fans.

As a piece of entertainment X3 was as good as any of the first two movies.

Originally Posted by LadyVader

It's why they are called popular movies. In order for them appeal to the masses, they have to be as simple to grasp as possible. It's not good, or bad, it's just the way things are. it's when you add emotion to the mix that you can have success, and deserve it. That's why I would have no problem with Singer making a truely popular, action-packed Superman movie, as long as emotion isn't pushed to the side.

The point is that you can have popularity and still have depth to a movie. Singer didn't bring either for me.

[GreenKToo]

Truth is,I could sit here and write all day long that S.R.'s sequel is gonna make tons more at the B.O.than the first,but would that be right?of course not, because I dont know anything about the story, or if its even got a supervillian or not to state a fact like that.....Now the people thats saying its prolly gonna be bad,and make the same money or even less than S.R., are just as wrong because they dont know anything about it yet either.
Singer said more action,with a supervillian,so I think i'll wait and see before passing judgement yet, since I dont have a crystal ball and all.

[Upper_Krust]

Originally Posted by Maze

Hi Upper_Krust !

Hello again Maze!

Originally Posted by Maze

No no no , it was boring to you and some others people make no mistake.

I understand that some people like the movie (such as yourself), thats fair enough. But can you honestly tell me you thought it was exciting?

It was one of the dullest movies I can remember (and I don't just mean the look/feel).

The biggest Superman fan that I know of is Mark Millar (who writes Civil War). Even he hated the movie. Moderators on the Superman boards have told me they hated it. Its the most disappointed I have ever been with a movie.

Originally Posted by Maze

it's becoming more clear everyday that a good majority liked this movie.

Probably because the naysayers are getting bored talking about such a boring movie.

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Lady Vader!

Originally Posted by LadyVader

I did specify that SR was not particularly smart or did you not bother to read my entire ginarmous post. All two phrases of it.

...yes but I was responding to the first part of your post.

[Maze]

Originally Posted by Upper_Krust

Hello again Maze!



I understand that some people like the movie (such as yourself), thats fair enough. But can you honestly tell me you thought it was exciting?

It was one of the dullest movies I can remember (and I don't just mean the look/feel).

The biggest Superman fan that I know of is Mark Millar (who writes Civil War). Even he hated the movie. Moderators on the Superman boards have told me they hated it. Its the most disappointed I have ever been with a movie.



Probably because the naysayers are getting bored talking about such a boring movie.

Not at all. i'm speaking about the latest numbers among others.

You know upper , i really wouldn't care if i was the only one who liked this movie.

but i hate people lying about stuff. take a look at the lastest numbers. take a look at most sites. Talk with people in the outside .

people liked this movie.

i'm sorry that you didn't . but this is becoming absurd.

Ps : and yes it was exciting . yep i had a blast during this movie .

Ps2: Mark millar say one day he liked it and the other that he didn't .. so what anyways ? even if the pope hated it what would it change? you need somebody to back your own opinion?

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Cats!

Originally Posted by Cats

Oh I can imagine that it could get worse, I just dare not envision it.

If Singer was left to his own devices then I agree that it could well be worse (Lois Lane spin-off movie - if ever you needed proof of insanity there it is).

However, Warner Bros, while stupid are not totally stupid. They are going to be overseeing things this time.

[Maze]

Ah yes you wan't names? Peter David , JamalYIgle the Penciller of Firestorm liked it so what? my great uncle his dog, and his best friend too !So what?

I know too a lot of people who hated it .. so what?

good for them.

Whatever..

[GreenKToo]

If we get poor numbers from the Dvd sales,then i'll agree folks just didnt care for it,but if the sales are good, are the ones that didnt like it, gonna say that the public overall must have liked it??honest question..

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Maze!

Originally Posted by Maze

Not at all. i'm speaking about the latest numbers among others.

Which show that the dvd is selling less than X3.

Originally Posted by Maze

You know upper , i really wouldn't care if i was the only one who would like this movie.

No harm done either way mate.

Originally Posted by Maze

but i hate people lying about stuff. take a look at the lastest n umbers. take a look at most sites.

people liked this movies.

It has split Superman fans down the middle as far as I can see.

The question is whether everyone who hates the movie posts on imdb or rotten tomatoes or whichever forum. I know I wouldn't bother.

Originally Posted by Maze

i'm sorry that you didn't .

No need to be sorry - unless you were one of the creative team who made the movie in which case you should be apologising.

Originally Posted by Maze

but this is becoming absurd.

I fail to see what is absurd about our debate. In particular the point you initially replied to.

Some people are going to be put off Man of Steel because Superman Returns simply did not entertain them.

I can flat out state that as fact - because its going to be next to impossible for me to coax some of my friends to go see it, and I am unsure if even I want to see it myself anyway.

Originally Posted by Maze

Ps : and yes it was exciting . yep i had a blast during this movie .

Other than the plane rescue - which bits were exciting?

Originally Posted by Maze

Ps2: Mark millar say one day he liked it and the other that he didn't .. so what anyways ?

Actually he said he was so pumped to see Superman on the big screen again that he would have enjoyed anything when he first watched it. But once he sat down and reflected on it he realised how atrociously bad it was.

Originally Posted by Maze

even if the pope hated it what would it change? you need somebody to back your own opinion?

The point of the matter is this. The fact that Superman Returns can turn off the likes of Mark Millar, Superman Moderators and me (Superman fan since I was 5 years old) not to mention many others who saw it and basically everyone I know personally...it just goes to highlight the utter incompetence of Singer's vision and the creative team behind it.

[Upper_Krust]

Hey GreenKToo!

Originally Posted by GreenKToo

If we get poor numbers from the Dvd sales,then i'll agree folks just didnt care for it,but if the sales are good, are the ones that didnt like it, gonna say that the public overall must have liked it??honest question..

Who gets to say what is poor and what is not?

I still see idiots posting every day who believe grossing $392 million worldwide is a good thing for a movie that costs in excess of $210 million to make.

If it outsells X3 I will be impressed.

[GreenKToo]

kool,I was curious.I agree that there does appear to be a split down the middle with S.R..I just hope singer can bring those folks aboard for the sequel.....we shall see.

[Maze]

Originally Posted by Upper_Krust

Hi Maze!



Which show that the dvd is selling less than X3.

lol! actually (at least for the moment)the rentals are way more important than X3..now , we we don't know the sell numbers .but the word is that is is selling quite good.

Excuse me Uper , really i have no time for that kind of absurd debate .. check your facts.

[LadyVader]

Hi Upper Krust!
Hi Maze!
Hi LadyVader!

uh... wait a second...

[Maze]

Originally Posted by LadyVader

Hi Upper Krust!
Hi Maze!
Hi LadyVader!

uh... wait a second...

Hi Lady !

[Upper_Krust]

Originally Posted by GreenKToo

kool,I was curious.I agree that there does appear to be a split down the middle with S.R..I just hope singer can bring those folks aboard for the sequel.....we shall see.

But you have to wonder is Singer still living in denial? Will his fragile ego accept constructive criticism?

[Maze]

Originally Posted by Upper_Krust

But you have to wonder is Singer still living in denial? Will his fragile ego accept constructive criticism?

Lol if it make you feel better to think that..it's wonderful the way it reassure some people to think that their opinion are factual ...cwink:

Ps: if you wan't to know what i think about the movie , you can search in my profile ..i 've done it enough..

have a nice debates Uper

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Maze!

Originally Posted by Maze

lol! actually (at least for the moment) the rentals are way more important than X3..now , we we don't know the sell numbers .but the word is that is is selling quite good.

Didn't Warner say they were quite happy with Superman returns box office!

If we remove the industry 'spin', that probably translates as 'terrible'.

Originally Posted by Maze

Excuse me Uper , really i have no time for that kind of absurd debate .. check your facts.

I have checked my facts, thats why I know you can't come back on the matter.