Sam Raimi on Spider-Man 4

[The Caped Knight]

Originally Posted by Infinity9999x

He did okay with Peter, but he did horrible with Spider-man's charicterization.

i disagree , I thought he remained true to the classic comic book character of Peter Parker / SPIDER-MAN .

[Mr. Socko]

Sounds good to me. I think he'll probably be returning.

[Frodo]

I'd at least get a different writer and stick to one villian. If they do have two, I would hope it's either Lizard and Kraven or Lizard and Vulture. Actually Ben Kingsley and Dylan Baker would be an intresting team up. If not Kingsly, I think Raimi should go with Terry Quinn (Lost). He'd be cheaper and he'd make a great villian.

I would suggest Paul Haggis( Casino Royale, Million Dollar Baby, and Crash) to pen the script. The guy is a first rate writer . He knows how to blend action and emotion. Maybe along with Alvin Sergernt but keep Raimi away from the script imo.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by Kal-El 8

i disagree , I thought he remained true to the classic comic book character of Peter Parker / SPIDER-MAN .

Agreed, Sam stayed very close IMO. And He hasen't let Me down at all.

[*ANTHONY*]

Why does spiderman have so little screentime? That's what Raimi must fix for the next film. Give spidey much more screentime.

[bholliday]

I just want to see the scorpion in action. They missed out big time with venom and the whole doppleganger/nemesis angle due to lack of screen time.

Scorpion is created simply to DEFEAT spidey. I think it would be fantastic, and would link spidey and the villain on a technicality as opposed to emotionally.

[Mr. Socko]

If Vulture was ever in a film, Ben Kingsley would be perfect.

[The Caped Knight]

Originally Posted by Mr. Socko

If Vulture was ever in a film, Ben Kingsley would be perfect.

Agreed .

[*ANTHONY*]

Ben KIngsley, no other.

[AIRWOLF]

Originally Posted by ChibiKiriyama

I love this part...



Brock got no character development worth speaking of, relied way too much on the viewer already knowing who Venom is, made wild jumps in psychosis just for his transformation to make a marginal amount of sense, and dealt a beating to Spidey so small in scale that Doc Ock's smallest action beat in SM2 makes it look paltry. Then, instead of just having Brock fall onto some girders or, heck, even the original ending where his revenge consumes him? Instead, we get to see Brock incinerated. It even shows us a second shot just to add insult to injury where the symbiote completely evaporates. Yeah, he sure showed a lot of respect to the fans when Venom was screeching every time he could have had some dialogue and disappeared for minutes at a time...

Considering Venom was written in later stages of the script, there wasn’t much space to insert him into the movie, that’s why we got what we saw. Plus I don’t blame Raimi for how Brock’s character came about, not entirely of course, Alvin Sargent wrote the script and was the one responsible for writing in Venom. Obviously, Raimi only did Venom to please the fans and didn’t had much enthusiasm in doing the character, it’s clear from the movie. I agree there could have been more dialogue instead of those roars. Now about Doc Ock having to do more than Venom did in the movie, what do you expect, the guy had little dialogue so when eventually Venom was actually created they had to insert some lines between Parker and Eddie before they blew him up just when he started to kick Spidey’s butt. There was very little room for Venom. Doc Ock had more time to develop and therefore had much more action going for him. It wasn’t just Venom, Sandman too got poorly treated.

I based my opinion on the fact that a guy who did not wanted Venom in the movie but did put him in as per fans requests, did a fine job

[Kmack]

Yay! I want to see Vulture so badly

[Infinity9999x]

Originally Posted by Kal-El 8

i disagree , I thought he remained true to the classic comic book character of Peter Parker / SPIDER-MAN .

He couldn't have been more off on the character of Spider-man. In fact, Spider-man wasn't even a character, he was Peter in a suit, and that is not Spider-man.

Peter especially in his early years, became a different person in the Spider-man suit. Just like Bruce Wayne becomes a different person in the Batman suit. As Spider-man, Peter finally gets an outlet to express the confidence he doesn't have as Peter Parker. This is why Spider-man is a jabber mouth when he's fighting his enemies. That and because Peter has said that he thinks he'd go crazy from the fear of battle if he didn't run his mouth to distract himself.

The cocky attitude and quips are essential to Spider-man's character. Having Spider-man remain a near mute as he did in Raimi's movies is just as wrong for the character of Spider-man as it would be to have Batman cracking witty one liners.

By basically eliminating this aspect of the character, Raimi failed to show us Peter's confident side, and it also removes a reason for people to believe that Peter is not Spider-man, because Spider-man is much more vocal and boisterous then Peter.

And in regards to the character of Peter Parker, Raimi barley showed us any of Peter's intelligence, and completley disregarded his engineering skills. Peter does not merely spout a few intelligent sounding sentences like he does in the movies, he actually creates and invents things. Raimi showed us none of that.

Also, by the time Peter was in colledge he much more confident as Peter Parker. Raimi didn't show us that either, he had Peter act the way he did in highschool, which wasn't accurate to the character.

Raimi did an average job on Peter's character, but he left much to be desired.

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by ChibiKiriyama

Brock got no character development worth speaking of, relied way too much on the viewer already knowing who Venom is, made wild jumps in psychosis just for his transformation to make a marginal amount of sense, and dealt a beating to Spidey so small in scale that Doc Ock's smallest action beat in SM2 makes it look paltry. Then, instead of just having Brock fall onto some girders or, heck, even the original ending where his revenge consumes him? Instead, we get to see Brock incinerated. It even shows us a second shot just to add insult to injury where the symbiote completely evaporates. Yeah, he sure showed a lot of respect to the fans when Venom was screeching every time he could have had some dialogue and disappeared for minutes at a time...

who the heck cares!
venom = rubbish villian
I thought raimi did the best he could with a one dimensional villian 'WE WILL EAT YOUR BRAIN'
glad he dead now we can return to the silver age villian that sam actually UNDERSTANDS and respects. venom was FORCED on him you can bet if it were up to sam he wouldn't have touched venom with a barge pole, no venom would have meant sandman getting more screen time and character devolopment.

oh and sam steer well clear of carnage another terrible villian.

[Venom 1988]

Originally Posted by Infinity9999x

He couldn't have been more off on the character of Spider-man. In fact, Spider-man wasn't even a character, he was Peter in a suit, and that is not Spider-man.

Peter especially in his early years, became a different person in the Spider-man suit. Just like Bruce Wayne becomes a different person in the Batman suit. As Spider-man, Peter finally gets an outlet to express the confidence he doesn't have as Peter Parker. This is why Spider-man is a jabber mouth when he's fighting his enemies. That and because Peter has said that he thinks he'd go crazy from the fear of battle if he didn't run his mouth to distract himself.

The cocky attitude and quips are essential to Spider-man's character. Having Spider-man remain a near mute as he did in Raimi's movies isjust as wrong for the character of Spider-man as it would be to have Batman cracking witty one liners.

By basically eliminating this aspect of the character, Raimi failed to show us Peter's confident side, and it also removes a reason for people to believe that Peter is not Spider-man, because Spider-man is much more vocal and boisterous then Peter.

And in regards to the character of Peter Parker, Raimi barley showed us any of Peter's intelligence, and completley disregarded his engineering skills. Peter does not merley spout a few intelligent sounding sentences like he does in the movies, he actually creates and invents things. Raimi showed us none of that.

Also, by the time Peter was in colledge he much more confident as Peter Parker. Raimi didn't show us that either, he had Peter act the way he did in highschool, which wasn't accurate to the character.

Raimi did an average job on Peter's character, but he left much to be desired.

I gotta agree with you there.

[FaT_tONle]

THis is starting to sound a lot like my sig...

[Spade]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

who the heck cares!

If you don't care, why bother responding and going on yet another "I hate Venom" tirade like half of the SM3 board?

[AIRWOLF]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

who the heck cares!
venom = rubbish villian
I thought raimi did the best he could with a one dimensional villian 'WE WILL EAT YOUR BRAIN'
glad he dead now we can return to the silver age villian that sam actually UNDERSTANDS and respects. venom was FORCED on him you can bet if it were up to sam he wouldn't have touched venom with a barge pole, no venom would have meant sandman getting more screen time and character devolopment.

oh and sam steer well clear of carnage another terrible villian.

Forget Carnage, I feel the same way about him. But again, you're dissing Venom without having any proper reasons behind your statement. In early years Venom was treated very well, later on he loss his substance. Don’t tell me that those Silver Age villains never had down sides to them. Just because you don’t like Venom doesn’t means you can just call him one dimensional. Isn’t Sandman a one dimensional villain as well “oh boy I got sand powers, lets rob banks”. A man obsessed with his experiments, now can’t I call him one dimensional as well. I’m not attacking anyone’s favorite villains here, but rather Im trying to make a point.

[Dark_Lord]

Originally Posted by Kal-El 8

You mean Avi Arad

No, I mean Raimi. Yeah, Arad forced him to include Venom, a character he (Raimi), didnt like but the non Venom stuff of Spider-Man 3 werent good either.

He should get involved with the story on some level, he is the director afterall, but I dont want him writing it with his brother.

[*ANTHONY*]

Venom was not a rubish villain. In order to save this character and give him back his dignity, they must bring him back and fix him. Make him say "we" and "us" and be less of a one dimensional character.

[Doctor Octopus]

Originally Posted by *ANTHONY*

Venom was not a rubish villain. In order to save this character and give him back his dignity, they must bring him back and fix him.

If he wasn't rubbish, then there's no need to bring him back is there

[Spade]

Originally Posted by Doctor Octopus

If he wasn't rubbish, then there's no need to bring him back is there

Yet, ironically, it looks like your favorite villain may be brought back considering Raimi says he's alive. So what does that make Ock?

[Doctor Octopus]

Originally Posted by ChibiKiriyama

Yet, ironically, it looks like your favorite villain may be brought back considering Raimi says he's alive. So what does that make Ock?

So damn popular that people want a second helping?

[Venom 1988]

Originally Posted by *ANTHONY*

Venom was not a rubish villain. In order to save this character and give him back his dignity, they must bring him back and fix him. Make him say "we" and "us" and be less of a one dimensional character.

What charcter? lol Venom died back in the early 90s. What we've had for the past 15 years is a "rubbish" character.

[FaT_tONle]

Originally Posted by *ANTHONY*

Venom was not a rubish villain. In order to save this character and give him back his dignity, they must bring him back and fix him. Make him say "we" and "us" and be less of a one dimensional character.

Venom is dead...sorry to break it to you.... but if you want Carnage instead... or even Hopgoblin... it will be too redundant... I cannot stress that enough... the characters are phony rehashes... if Carnage or Hopgoblin ever make it to the big screen they should be saved for the requels or reboot when they kick start the franchise again by 2030ish...

[CGHulk]

Wow all those added characters, fans and critics thought there was to many in Spidey 3 and there wasn't enough character development for Venom and Sandman. Wow now everyone will be even more pissed!