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Old 10-25-2007, 09:47 AM   #951
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Anyone think the general public won't ever accept a new guy as Superman instead of someone just replacing Reeves unless they actually do a new origin story. Let the people actually see this boy go from a man, into Superman?
accept? the people who bring big money dont care. they only want a good action fun movie in the summer.

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Old 10-25-2007, 09:52 AM   #952
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So, any new updates or are we just *****ing about what a horrible choice Warners made for 30 pages?

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So, any new updates or are we just *****ing about what a horrible choice Warners made for 30 pages?
The latter, i was wondering when you'd pop up Matt, to busy torturing us with Survivor ?

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accept? the people who bring big money dont care. they only want a good action fun movie in the summer.

Gotta love the people's standards.

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Old 10-25-2007, 09:57 AM   #955
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The latter, i was wondering when you'd pop up Matt, to busy torturing us with Survivor ?
Not really torture for me, more like victories.

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Which people, the movie going audience or the studios?

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Not really torture for me, more like victories.
I was referring to the long waiting periods, and Bella and Norm are carrying you

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I was referring to the long waiting periods, and Bella and Norm are carrying you
Heh Heh. You know me better than that. It's quite a team effort. Although Norman is artistically gifted and Bella is smart and beautiful.

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Heh Heh. You know me better than that. It's quite a team effort. Although Norman is artistically gifted and Bella is smart and beautiful.
I know, i just wanted a spiky retort to your post Norm is kicking ass with the grids and Bella is smart as she is pretty

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i like how all the cheese is cut out of the metropolis battle, and the blank bullet is far superior to that tripping over a pink bear scene, plus the opening credits are more powerful and no memory wipe kiss. Love the added hackman scenes and the scenes and angles donner used

I had forgotten about the stupid sight gags in Lester's Metropolis battle. So, you're correct, Donner's version of the fight,with the Brando footage, edited into the Lester cut(but I do prefer "General, would you care to step outside?" to "Haven't you heard of freedom of the press?", so that should stay).

I like the blank bullet scene, but the test footage used is pretty distracting, and doesn't really fit the movie. Plus, I really like Reeve's performance in the reveal scene in the Lester version.

I like both the Donner and Lester cut. I wish there was a way to integrate the two versions together in a professional way.

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I know, i just wanted a spiky retort to your post Norm is kicking ass with the grids and Bella is smart as she is pretty
The retort was more sparky than spiky, but good nonetheless.

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Gotta love the people's standards.
i like oscar movies,comedies and of course fun summer movies.
fact is that you CAN not invest 150 milions in a deep story without tons of action. you just can not do it.

lets not forget that studios are making movies for profit. they dont do movies because they want make the people on the world happy.

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Old 10-25-2007, 11:42 AM   #963
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I would love if studios made movies that were good to me and everybody else be dammed... but I'm not arrogant enough to think that that will happen, so it's just useless whinning to complain about a studio being leary of making a sequel to a 200 million dollar disappointment because lets face it there are in it for the money and nothing else. I like talking about the boxoffice and I like rooting on movies I like but at the end of the day ofcourse I don't really care about rather Warners makes money or not, I just wanted a good Superman movie and I don't believe I got that. What I'm saying is, it could have made 500mil at the boxoffice, I still wouldn't like it.

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Old 10-25-2007, 12:10 PM   #964
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Tom Cruise as General Zod? LMFAO.

Fist, super-stalker, deadbeat dad, superkid, now Tom Cruise was the most fearsome and ruthless character in the Superman universe...LOL..Whats next? Katie Holmes for Martha Kent?

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Oh believe me, McG & Ratner could have done worse. I believe Ratner plan for Supes show him having blond hair with red/white/blue (not sure if I got those right) suit & having lighting or something out of his eyes. And McG? 'Nuff said.
What was so bad about McG/Ratner's take on Superman?

Sigh...the things people think they know about JJ Abrams/McG/Ratner SUPERMAN project.

McG wanted a fairly faithful Superman costume, albeit sans undies. It looks great as a concept, and as a suit, I'm sure it would have rocked. You can find pics of it floating around.

Storywise, McG and Ratner (both enormous Superman fans) wanted origins that delved into who Superman is, and were instrumental in getting new drafts with businessman Lex instead of Kryptonian Lex. Ratner was quoted about wanting the classic outfit, but did toy with the idea of Superman in blue and red leatherish stuff, a la the X-films (based on that one artist everyone loves so much), but it never came close to happening. That "red white and blue" concept you've seen with the blonde hair is just that, a concept done by someone not remotely connected to the actual project's conceptualizing.

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I don't remember a concept with red, white, and blue hair?

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Since I don't hate Ratner like alot of nerds do and I liked X3 more, I would have liked to see his take on Supes, hell he's a light airy filmaker to begin with. He would have been more suited for Big Blue then X-Men IMHO.

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the only way I won't be dissapointed in another Superman film is if the bad guys are Lex and some super villain OTHER than Zod.
Brainiac would be ideal.

and Lex needs to be in charge of Lex corp.

Anything other than those things and I will be dissapointed...i'm sick of watered down superman.

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What is it with people obsessing over how Luthor "needs" to have Lexcorp? The character did just fine for 40 years before Byrne needed to throw that it, and all it really does is make Lex DC's analog to the Kingpin.

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Katie Holmes for Martha Kent?
No, Supergirl

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Which people, the movie going audience or the studios?
the avg joes... come to think of it, the studios as well... WB has been really dissappointing with their whole JLA hack job... I'm sure Nolan is livid! But that's another story.

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i like oscar movies,comedies and of course fun summer movies.
fact is that you CAN not invest 150 milions in a deep story without tons of action. you just can not do it.

lets not forget that studios are making movies for profit. they dont do movies because they want make the people on the world happy.
I'm with you. It's just irritating knowing they're dumbing things down and rushing things with the assumption that we'll see it no matter what... as sad as it is, they're right in their assumption... Although you won't catch me paying for Saw 4 this weekend

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What is it with people obsessing over how Luthor "needs" to have Lexcorp? The character did just fine for 40 years before Byrne needed to throw that it, and all it really does is make Lex DC's analog to the Kingpin.
No. It will bring him into today's world and will make him actually interesting for today's audiences!
No one gives a hoot about cookie villains with land schemes anymore. Today's threats are politicians and global companies, not wacky bald guys who want to own worthless soil. They want to own the people!
Pre-Crisis Luthor would be a ruthless dictator. Post-Crisis Luthor would be a generally beloved leader, because no one would know what he was really up to! That's the actual plot point in the Post-Crisis stories: Superman needs to show and convince the people of who Lex really is to stop him!

Funny how you guys always ***** about "marvelising" the character when it's actually the main reason Superman is still around. That step was necessary for the comics (and worked perfectly) and it's damn well overdue for the movies!

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Smallville Lex and the Lex from the cartoons is far superior to any incarnation in any of the films.

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It is far superior. Cute sig. And when I say that I mean it is funny. Okay we will have similar but oposite intentioned sigs.


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