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Old 10-22-2007, 08:54 PM   #1
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Default Marvel movies that make you pull your hair out.

Which Marvel movies make you go, what the hell were they thinking?

At the top of my list Hulk, so happy they were smart enough to fix that mistake with The Incredible Hulk, I mean how the hell could they let Ang 'the moron' Lee do that to one of the greatest Marvel Legends?! WTF!

One of the most boring films ever. If these people would just open up their eyes and see that the faithful comic book movies are the most successful they wouldn't have to go back and pay more money to remake it.

Daredevil's another horrible mistake, what they did to Bullseye was a crime, so horribly over acted, and Kingpin is white!
I am so sick of that. How about Matt Damon plays Black Panther. Might aswell. You do not just change the race of a character that has been around for decades, you do not do that, then it's not that character 'cause he's not black, so I still haven't seen KP brought to life yet.
Just like back when they made Spawn and Terry was white, I was like what the hell's the point of that, didn't they read the comic.

I hope they remake DD like they have done with The Punisher and Hulk.

And that's another thing, now they have to remake the Punisher, after all shouldn't have been his entire Family killed, over kill, and should not have been set in Florida, this is the Punisher he has to be on the gritty streets of NY.

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Daredevil was an awesome film, especially the Director's cut. What they did to Bullseye was not a crime. In fact, I thought he was pretty damn accurate to Bullseye from the comics. So what if the Kingpin was played by a Black man? Daredevil was played by a man who could see.

Hulk was another great film. I like to think of it as a thinking comic book fan's film. There was a lot of substance and not enough Hulk smash--and thank God for that.

Fantastic Four 2 was horrid, but I know what they were thinking. They were dumbing it down for a kiddie audience. As a kid's movie, Fantastic Four 2 works, but it could have been so much more.

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Kingpin is white!
I am so sick of that. How about Matt Damon plays Black Panther. Might aswell. You do not just change the race of a character that has been around for decades, you do not do that, then it's not that character 'cause he's not black, so I still haven't seen KP brought to life yet.:.




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From MTV Nov 4 2002:
'Fantastic Four' Screenwriter Spills Super Secrets - Doug Petrie talks casting idea, plot outlines, special effects.
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How's this sound as an opening sequence? Adoring groupies cram New York's Fifth Avenue, hoping to catch a glimpse of the Invisible Woman and Mr. Fantastic, played by Charlize Theron and "Angel"'s Alexis Denisof. The Thing, voiced by John C. Reilly, rips the top off an armored car and yanks out two would-be robbers. Paul Walker shouts, "flame on!" as his Johnny Storm character ignites into the Human Torch, saving a female fan from another thief's rocket launcher.

Two hours later, just before the credits role on "The Fantastic Four," New York's favorite superheroes buzz away in their Fantastic Car, with Johnny dropping 8x10 photos to fans in a scene shamelessly lifted from the Beatles' "A Hard Day's Night."

That's what audiences will see if all goes according to plan for "Fantastic Four" screenwriter Doug Petrie, who together with director Peyton Reed ("Bring It On") is bringing one of Marvel Comics' most beloved properties to the big screen.

"The big debate between everybody was giant monster or no giant monster," Petrie said of the flick's proposed opening scene. "I wanted the poster for the movie to be the cover for the first issue, where basically you do a live-action version of a giant monster ripping through Fifth Avenue and Fantastic Four kicking its ass. For budget reasons, it went to something else, but it's still a giant opening scene. It's 'A Hard Days Night.' It's everybody going to watch the Beatles.

"The big reason I got hired was that the scripts that were done before, by pretty big-name guys, were origin stories," explained Petrie, whose credits include several episodes of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer."

"[The other scripts] were very big on 'these are astronauts that go to space' for the first, like, half-hour," he said. "It was something like 'Armageddon.' I just kept saying it's got to be like 'A Hard Day's Night.' "

In the established Marvel Comics mythos, the Fantastic Four — Dr. Reed Richards (Mr. Fantastic), wife Susan Storm (the Invisible Woman), her brother Johnny Storm (the Human Torch) and Benjamin Grimm (the Thing) — gained superpowers after an experimental rocketship ride bombarded them with radiation. Together as the Fantastic Four, they live together in the Baxter Building and battle supervillains like the Mole Man and their arch-nemesis, the metal-masked Dr. Victor Von Doom.

Casting hasn't begun on "The Fantastic Four," and Petrie of course is no casting director, but in addition to his hopes of grabbing Reilly, Denisof, Theron and Walker, he'd love to see Jude Law as Dr. Doom.

"We had a huge, huge series of discussions on the look of Dr. Doom," Petrie said. "We really had to focus on the Fantastic Four, and Victor's origin had to be tied into their origin. We played him as the Pete Best of the Fantastic Four. He gets screwed out of the superpowers, so he made himself who he is. ... The Marvel guys were very high on showing the actor's face. ... I hope I'm not spilling too many secrets. But I got caught up with how to show his face but keep the scariness of a guy in a mask.

"I wanted the big reveal to be [that] the mask is a high-tech thing that can separate and retract off his face when he wants it to," he continued. "You see that he's unbelievably handsome. ... But it doesn't end there. When he's handsome, he's lying. When his real character comes out, his face starts to sag and melt and scarify in this horrible way. And what you learn is that his face got so smashed upon his re-entry — he was one of the original astronauts — he's literally falling apart. And the mask is the only thing keeping him together."

"The Fantastic Four" movie will mostly skip the back-story and begin in a New York where the team already exists — in a world where, unlike "X-Men," they are anything but antiheroes.

"They're the biggest celebrities in New York City," Petrie explained. "To the world outside, they are the world's coolest superheroes. [But] when they get home, they just fight with each other about everything. They order pizzas and argue about who gets the better costumes and stuff like that. It's a family comedy when they get behind closed doors."

With Mr. Fantastic's elastic ability, the Thing's rocky orange hide and the Human Torch's fiery body, budget constraints have kept a decent "Fantastic Four" movie from theaters (most fans cringe at the widely bootlegged but never officially released 1994 "Fantastic Four"). But now, thanks to the success of "Spider-Man," the big-budget "Fantastic Four" is going ahead at 20th Century Fox.

"There's a tremendous amount of pressure to get this movie made," Petrie said, "and to get it right and to cash in on the mania that obviously exists out there and the need for superhero stories."

"The Fantastic Four" is scheduled for a 2004 release.
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Mark Frost, is perhaps best known as a co-creator of Twin Peaks, with David Lynch, but he also dipped his toes in the comic book movie genre with screenwriting duties on both of director Tim Story and 20th Century Fox's Fantastic Four films. See what he had do say.

Mark Frost has worn many hats in his life; an acclaimed television writer for NBC's police drama Hill Street Blues, co-creator of the groundbreaking television series Twin Peaks, a film producer (" The Greatest Game Ever Played"), a novelist ("The Paladin Prophecy"), and a screenwriter for Fantastic Four and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer.

Recently, Frost participated in an interview with the site, Portable, and he discussed working on Tim Story's superhero films, which starred; Jessica Alba as Sue Storm/The Invisible Woman, Ioan Gruffudd as Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic, Michael Chiklis as Ben Grimm/The Thing, and Chris "Captain America" Evans as Johnny Storm/The Human Torch.
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The first movie was a lot fun because I’d collected Fantastic Four as a kid and had a lot of affections for, so they were stories I was very familiar with. The studio had tried to develop the thing for about ten years and it had fallen flat and gone in all sorts of different directions. I kind of steered them back to the original conceptions, the original ideas, the point. In a way it was like working with old friends, these were characters I’d known for 40 years. It was a little different than working with an adaptation that was brand new to me, with characters I didn’t know.

The second movie never really had much of a chance, it had kind of an ass-backwards development where they had named a release date but they didn’t have a movie to go out on that day. The second movie is a bit less effective than the first one, but that was a little different than a straight adaptation. These characters have been around for so long that they’re almost in our collective unconscious of pop culture, so it wasn’t that difficult.

P: Did you feel like you were adding your own voice to a modern myth? The collective unconscious made me think of Jung and Joseph Campbell.

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You’re trying to speak to those characters in the way they spoke to you, bring them up as the archetypes they were originally assigned to be.

P: So to fill the hole they filled back then, while considering the differences in culture?

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Right. I think our infatuation with superhero movies in the last 15 years speaks to that very thing, that interest in trying to form a mythology for a culture, particularly one as diverse and fast-moving as ours. It’s pretty difficult. As the 21st century came on us this set of characters from those books — characters many people first encountered as kids — have suddenly assumed this place of primacy in our collective storytelling. In some ways its a little alarming — they’re not the most mature characters you’ll come across, but at the same time they do address things collectively that are under the surface. These are issues that many people deal with like, identity, and anxiety and “what’s my ultimate role” and “is there such a thing as salvation?” All these things are in these books, these comic books.

P: Did comics and superhero stories help formulate your views of storytelling?

Mark Frost:
I was a big Marvel character as a kid, I read a few DC books as well, but they were kinda like the Democrat and Republican party of comics: we didn’t have all the great indie labels that have sprung up since then. Marvel in the way was the upstart, DC had been around for a couple of decades before. I identify pretty strongly with the Marvel brand, and identify with their whole stable of characters.

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Elektra is easily the worst Marvel film. It's Catwoman-level suckage.

If anyone can explain what was going on there I will give you a medal.

Way to waste Typhoid Mary as well.

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Elektra
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
X-Men: The Last Stand
Spider-Man 3
90's Captain America film


On the topic of Kingpin in the '03 Daredevil movie, I didn't like him either not because he wasn't white but because it didn't feel like Kingpin to me. To me, the Kingpin is a rich high-class criminal that feels very comfortable with his money. The black dude's performance felt a bit too street level for me. I never got the feeling he was a high-class criminal really comfortable with his money and place in New York. He felt to me like just your average powerful mob boss. But that's just me.

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X-Men Last Stand. From what I've heard, Daredevil was actually very close to the comics. I don't understand the bad vibes around it.

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X-Men: The Last Stand started off good, became mediocre, and by the end was utterly, inhumanly awful.

Daredevil was so boring I actually fast forwarded through quite a bit of it.

Ang Lee's Hulk was a dreadful, confused mess.

Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer was just garbage. They barely even tried.

The dialogue in the Blade sequels sound like they were written by sixth graders on whippits.

I didn't see Elektra so I can't comment; but it looks miserable.

But without a doubt the worst modern Marvel film is......Ghost Rider. What a boring, stupid, nonsensical POS. How did that script ever make it past the initial phases? How did it get a sequel? (Which I refuse to see because I KNOW IT SUCKS). Nic Cage? Seriously? Just unwatchable on every level.

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Yep, need to add a few:
Spiderman 3
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Oh yeah. How could I forget Spider-Man 3? Oooohh I just had douche chills thinking about that one.

The first Fantastic Four film was dumb but fun. I don't mind it so much.

Edit: Oh I forgot another one! Punisher: Warzone! I couldn't make it through this one but the parts I saw look like the entire cast and crew were on Crystal Meth. Garbage.

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Ghost Rider part 2 simply because it's 2012 and Sony/Lion's Gate should know better.

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All of the Fox films except for the first two X-Men are major annoyances to me. The Fantastic Four movies are the worst because of how badly they mangled the characters. The writers were trying for an action comedy, but all they came up with was a muddled mess. They made Galactus into a cloud, for crap's sake, because some idiot Fox exec thought people would think he was a Transformer.


Fox hasn't got a clue how to handle its Marvel properties and that shows in the mediocre films they insist on producing. The X-Men alone should have had films that grossed upwards of a billion dollar each by this point, had the characters been handled properly. Hiring better writers would be a good first step towards improvement. Fox's stinginess definitely hurts the movies when it comes to special effects. In order to portray the heroes powers properly they need to lay out major cash, which they aren't willing to do. The studio's cheapness is why we haven't seen proper Sentinels thus far and explains the lackluster visuals in all of the movies. The end result of the clueless writing and underdone visual effects is that many of Fox's movies underwhelmed and under-performed. And they'll keep on settling for less as long as they lack the vision and the willingness to invest in making their films great rather than average or below.

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All of the Fox films except for the first two X-Men are major annoyances to me. The Fantastic Four movies are the worst because of how badly they mangled the characters. The writers were trying for an action comedy, but all they came up with was a muddled mess. They made Galactus into a cloud, for crap's sake, because some idiot Fox exec thought people would think he was a Transformer.


Fox hasn't got a clue how to handle its Marvel properties and that shows in the mediocre films they insist on producing. The X-Men alone should have had films that grossed upwards of a billion dollar each by this point, had the characters been handled properly. Hiring better writers would be a good first step towards improvement. Fox's stinginess definitely hurts the movies when it comes to special effects. In order to portray the heroes powers properly they need to lay out major cash, which they aren't willing to do. The studio's cheapness is why we haven't seen proper Sentinels thus far and explains the lackluster visuals in all of the movies. The end result of the clueless writing and underdone visual effects is that many of Fox's movies underwhelmed and under-performed. And they'll keep on settling for less as long as they lack the vision and the willingness to invest in making their films great rather than average or below.
YES! And Mark "Talking Head" Millar is not their savior. FOX is going to keep doing what they've been doing. But at least I'll be able to save money the next few years.

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Wolverines first solo movie has a special place in hell... Sooo much wasted potential. Not to mention they lathered on the CG like it was no ones business, and it looked piss poor in numerous scenes.

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Wolverines first solo movie has a special place in hell... Sooo much wasted potential. Not to mention they lathered on the CG like it was no ones business, and it looked piss poor in numerous scenes.
That's true. I forgot about that turd as well. So here's my complete(?) list of crumby modern (from Blade: 1998 on forward) Marvel films. Please note that NONE are made by Marvel Studios...interesting huh?

Sony
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
Spider-Man 3

Lions Gate
Punisher: Warzone
Man-Thing

Universal
Hulk

New Line Cinema/WB
Blade II
Blade Trinity

Fox
X-Men: The Last Stand
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
Daredevil
Elektra
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer

Dishonorable Mention...It was just "fun" enough not to be "bad" IMHO:
Fantastic Four

So, uh yeah, why is Fox making it's own Marvel Cinematic Universe again? Sheesh. If anyone thinks that "Mr. Extreme, Cannibal Loving, Self-promoting, Loudmouth" Mark Millar (it's a wonder The Ultimates turned out as good as it did) is Fox's savior...you are on crack!

Just for the record here are DC/WB's cinematic disasters in the modern superhero movie era:

Constantine
Catwoman
Superman Returns
Green Lantern
Jonah Hex
The Losers
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
The Spirit

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-Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
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That's true. I forgot about that turd as well. So here's my complete(?) list of crumby modern (from Blade: 1998 on forward) Marvel films. Please note that NONE are made by Marvel Studios...interesting huh?

Sony
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
Spider-Man 3

Lions Gate
Punisher: Warzone
Man-Thing

Universal
Hulk

New Line Cinema/WB
Blade II
Blade Trinity

Fox
X-Men: The Last Stand
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
Daredevil
Elektra
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer

Dishonorable Mention...It was just "fun" enough not to be "bad" IMHO:
Fantastic Four

So, uh yeah, why is Fox making it's own Marvel Cinematic Universe again? Sheesh. If anyone thinks that "Mr. Extreme, Cannibal Loving, Self-promoting, Loudmouth" Mark Millar (it's a wonder The Ultimates turned out as good as it did) is Fox's savior...you are on crack!

Just for the record here are DC/WB's cinematic disasters in the modern superhero movie era:

Constantine
Catwoman
Superman Returns
Green Lantern
Jonah Hex
The Losers
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
The Spirit
This is 100% accurate with two exceptions...

1. Fantastic Four was not "just fun enough" at all. It was terrible, and far worse than Rise of the Silver Surfer, which was also horrendous.

2. Blade II has NO place on this list. That film was fantastic and even better than the already-great original movie. Guirellmo outdid himself on Blade II.

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Hey, I will fight for the Losers. It was unbelievable in all the good ways. The Villain was outrageously evil, the plot was outrageously farfetched, the action was outrageously over the top, And the delivery guy scene.

I argue that The Losers, not the best movie, does not deserve a place on the same list as Halle Berry's Catwoman.

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Ang Lee's Hulk. Ugh.
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance- I've only seen the end but that's enough. It was very anti-climatic.

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This is 100% accurate with two exceptions...

1. Fantastic Four was not "just fun enough" at all. It was terrible, and far worse than Rise of the Silver Surfer, which was also horrendous.

2. Blade II has NO place on this list. That film was fantastic and even better than the already-great original movie. Guirellmo outdid himself on Blade II.
I agree, Blade 2 was cool in my book but not that FF franchise.

Even Stan Lee pissed on that toilet of a movie.

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Fantastic Four 1 & 2 - terribly bad, you could tell the studios were playing it safe to build up a franchise by making it more family friendly and basically following the basic good vs. evil.

Elektra - never seen it but even from miles away I could tell it was garbage based on a second rate character.

Ghost Rider 1 & 2 - stupid, boring and pointless, with the sequel being triple all that mentioned, Johnny Blaze doesn't eat jelly beans!!

Hulk - such wasted potential on one of Marvel's most popular character that we don't see the Hulk until a full hour and when we do he looks like Shrek on steroids.

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The fact that Marvel Studios isn't on here shows how amazing it is

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Now the Roger Corman cheapy Fantastic Four movie is a guilty pleasure of mine, but there is one "villain" in the movie that was never in the comics called the Jeweler that is pretty annoying. The one scene where Dr. Doom invades his underground lair and does not shoot the annoying bastiche always makes me want to cry out in disappointment. If there was one character that should have been blown away in this movie it should have been the Jeweler. Why bust caps in his Clockwork Orange rip of henchmen but not him?

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