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View Poll Results: How would you feel about a Justice League spin-off instead of Superman Returns 2?
Great idea! Would be way better than a sequel to SR! 13 24.53%
I like the idea... whereas Superman Returns wasn't terrible... JL will prob be better. 3 5.66%
Don't really care.... either would be good. It's Superman! 3 5.66%
Not sure how I feel about the idea. Kinda like Brandon and Bryan 2 3.77%
I dislike the idea... The Man of Steel would be better 18 33.96%
I hate the idea... if they do that they will ruin Supes 5 9.43%
Ask me after Justice League comes out 7 13.21%
I really don't think Justice League will happen anyways 2 3.77%
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:44 PM   #1
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Things are shaky with this franchise. Its stands with dubious company as being the only super-hero film aside from Catwoman that, to my knowledge, failed to at least recoup its production cost from the domestic box. Even the much maligned Hulk managed to do that. You gotta know this is a big red flag to WB.

And, despite what some think, if Singer is given the pink slip there will be no sequel. Even Routh said at the DVD launch that Singer is the lynch-pin to a sequel happening.

THe studio is not going to try to find another director - as if any name director would even be interested in trying to fix Singer's mess and be burdened with the likley chance a sequel will do even worse than SR. SR had the advantage a sequel will not - despite the negative buzz folks were willing to somewhat turn out as this was the first Superman film in 20+ years. An SR sequel will not have that going for it.

WB canning Singer means a rejection of his vision - his casting choices, the writing, the kid, the FX. An acknowledgement of a failed product - does anyone think WB would be foolish enough to try to "fix" what can't be fixed?

The next month or two will see official word IMO that the MOS has been shleved. Actually, if WB is unable to confirm next week at ShoWest that a Superman film is on their 2009 schedule - even if they can't give a specific release date - then that will essentially confirm the scrapping in not so many words.

Remember, TDK got an official go at ShoWest Last year. The entertainment news has been a-buzz with Flash, WW and JLA for weeks now while no word, from WB, for months ob SR. Odd -0 the JLA is set for 2010 - after a potential SR sequel - yet WB is talking the later premmiering film up and being dead silent on Superman.

Until the JLA announcement I was solidly confident that, though we would not get an SR sequel, we'd get a reboot/relaunch of Superman in 15 or so years. IMO the JLA reduces the chances for that now.

If the JLA does well and if just a few characters spin-ff as huge successes and with Batman, WB simply does not need Superman anymore. Not lucrative for them. RT is reporting a TDK sequel is already in the works and with that anchos - between Batman and JLA WB could well have all it needs in terms of superhero franchises.

The franchise is in deep trouble. Its not a good time to be a Superman fan - espeically when longtime fans like Kevin Smith are saying its past time to kill off the Superman character.


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Old 03-07-2007, 09:43 PM   #2
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Things are shaky with this franchise. Its stands with dubious company as being the only super-hero film aside from Catwoman that, to my knowledge, failed to at least recoup its production cost from the domestic box. Even the much maligned Hulk managed to do that. You gotta know this is a big red flag to WB.

And, despite what some think, if Singer is given the pink slip there will be no sequel. Even Routh said at the DVD launch that Singer is the lynch-pin to a sequel happening.

THe studio is not going to try to find another director - as if any name director would even be interested in trying to fix Singer's mess and be burdened with the likley chance a sequel will do even worse than SR. SR had the advantage a sequel will not - despite the negative buzz folks were willing to somewhat turn out as this was the first Superman film in 20+ years. An SR sequel will not have that going for it.

WB canning Singer means a rejection of his vision - his casting choices, the writing, the kid, the FX. An acknowledgement of a failed product - does anyone think WB would be foolish enough to try to "fix" what can't be fixed?

The next month or two will see official word IMO that the MOS has been shleved. Actually, if WB is unable to confirm next week at ShoWest that a Superman film is on their 2009 schedule - even if they can't give a specific release date - then that will essentially confirm the scrapping in not so many words.

Remember, TDK got an official go at ShoWest Last year. The entertainment news has been a-buzz with Flash, WW and JLA for weeks now while no word, from WB, for months ob SR. Odd -0 the JLA is set for 2010 - after a potential SR sequel - yet WB is talking the later premmiering film up and being dead silent on Superman.

Until the JLA announcement I was solidly confident that, though we would not get an SR sequel, we'd get a reboot/relaunch of Superman in 15 or so years. IMO the JLA reduces the chances for that now.

If the JLA does well and if just a few characters spin-ff as huge successes and with Batman, WB simply does not need Superman anymore. Not lucrative for them. RT is reporting a TDK sequel is already in the works and with that anchos - between Batman and JLA WB could well have all it needs in terms of superhero franchises.

The franchise is in deep trouble. Its not a good time to be a Superman fan - espeically when longtime fans like Kevin Smith are saying its past time to kill off the Superman character.
What I was told was more than likely any JLA feature film would neither have Superman or Batman. That the film would be developed as it's on franchise. Also you shouldknow that plans for Man of Steel are full steam ahead. Despite what you seem to falsely believe. Singer isn't going anywhere , Superman Returns has more than made it's money back, between the box office,tv and cable rights, DVD sales and merchandising/ licensing.

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You gotta love that lexlives spin.

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What I was told was more than likely any JLA feature film would neither have Superman or Batman. That the film would be developed as it's on franchise. Also you shouldknow that plans for Man of Steel are full steam ahead. Despite what you seem to falsely believe. Singer isn't going anywhere , Superman Returns has more than made it's money back, between the box office,tv and cable rights, DVD sales and merchandising/ licensing.
There is absolutely no indication that plans for a sequel are moving forward. But corect me if I am wrong and point me to the source.

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You mean like Joel Silver, when speaking about the Wonder Woman project, mentioning that WB was still making a new Superman movie as well as the JLA film and how it did not mean the end of the Wonder Woman project, either?

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Please point us to the source that says ''M.O.S. shelved''. Theirs lots more evidence thats it happening, than not.

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You mean like Joel Silver, when speaking about the Wonder Woman project, mentioning that WB was still making a new Superman movie as well as the JLA film and how it did not mean the end of the Wonder Woman project, either?

Did not read Silver but "still making" Superman souinds curiously qualified. It does not mean the end of the WW either - so I assume that there are innuendos that the JLA may mean the end of WW and Superman?!

Again, I have not read his quotes directly, but your quotes of him make things sound, if anything, more up in the air - with both WW and Superman.

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Please point us to the source that says ''M.O.S. shelved''. Theirs lots more evidence thats it happening, than not.
If WB can't confirm a 2009 Superman release next week then indeed the film is dead. It may take them a month or so for an official annoucement, but if they can't say yes at ShoWest - they ain't gonna - as in say yes to a sequel.

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Later, Silver told SCI FI Wire that the Wonder Woman project had a long way to go. "We're not there yet," Silver said in an interview. "I mean, look, ... for a while these Marvel Comics [movies] have been kicking the DC Comics [movies'] ass. You know? I mean all these characters that just keep coming out. And, look, they revived Batman. They're making a new Batman now. It should be great. They're making a new Superman, and they're going to do Justice League, all the characters, which I think is a cool idea. And we're going to get Wonder Woman to work."

Whedon was famously hired to draft a new look at the Amazonian superhero, but quit the project a month ago after failing to win over Silver and Warner Brothers with his take on the franchise. Warner, meanwhile, bought a Wonder Woman spec script from newcomers Matthew Jennison and Brent Strickland, which set the story during World War II, the original period of the comics series.

Silver denied that the spec script would be the basis for the movie. "I don't think so," he said, adding that he never wanted to make a period film. "We didn't buy it for that. There were some good ideas in it, but it was out there, and we wanted to just kind of not have it floating around. We wanted just to acquire it and keep it."

As for how the project will move forward without Whedon? "We'll make it work," Silver said. "You know, it's going to [work]. ... We just couldn't figure it out, but we'll get there." But for now, Silver said he's not actively looking for a new writer or director. "No, not yet. We're just ... talking about it, and we'll get back to it soon."

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Sounds more positive to me. They're making a new Batman, they're making a new Superman, and Silver is hoping to get Wonder Woman to work. Nothing more than that.

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Things are shaky with this franchise. Its stands with dubious company as being the only super-hero film aside from Catwoman that, to my knowledge, failed to at least recoup its production cost from the domestic box. Even the much maligned Hulk managed to do that. You gotta know this is a big red flag to WB.

And, despite what some think, if Singer is given the pink slip there will be no sequel. Even Routh said at the DVD launch that Singer is the lynch-pin to a sequel happening.

THe studio is not going to try to find another director - as if any name director would even be interested in trying to fix Singer's mess and be burdened with the likley chance a sequel will do even worse than SR. SR had the advantage a sequel will not - despite the negative buzz folks were willing to somewhat turn out as this was the first Superman film in 20+ years. An SR sequel will not have that going for it.

WB canning Singer means a rejection of his vision - his casting choices, the writing, the kid, the FX. An acknowledgement of a failed product - does anyone think WB would be foolish enough to try to "fix" what can't be fixed?

The next month or two will see official word IMO that the MOS has been shleved. Actually, if WB is unable to confirm next week at ShoWest that a Superman film is on their 2009 schedule - even if they can't give a specific release date - then that will essentially confirm the scrapping in not so many words.

Remember, TDK got an official go at ShoWest Last year. The entertainment news has been a-buzz with Flash, WW and JLA for weeks now while no word, from WB, for months ob SR. Odd -0 the JLA is set for 2010 - after a potential SR sequel - yet WB is talking the later premmiering film up and being dead silent on Superman.

Until the JLA announcement I was solidly confident that, though we would not get an SR sequel, we'd get a reboot/relaunch of Superman in 15 or so years. IMO the JLA reduces the chances for that now.

If the JLA does well and if just a few characters spin-ff as huge successes and with Batman, WB simply does not need Superman anymore. Not lucrative for them. RT is reporting a TDK sequel is already in the works and with that anchos - between Batman and JLA WB could well have all it needs in terms of superhero franchises.

The franchise is in deep trouble. Its not a good time to be a Superman fan - espeically when longtime fans like Kevin Smith are saying its past time to kill off the Superman character.


OK lexlives, lets see how good you eyes are. Who is that gentleman in the blue and red tights standing at the front of this group, in what can only be described as a position of leadership?

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OK, I know you know the answer. So saying Justice League doesn't need Superman is just stupid.

*Beats lexlives on the head for his stupidity*

Also, please present more evidence about the canning of MoS. It seems everyone else here has missed that.

Oh wait, there IS no evidence. Just you and your overactive imagination.

Just go away lex. Honestly, it ain't worth keeping up.

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And, despite what some think, if Singer is given the pink slip there will be no sequel. Even Routh said at the DVD launch that Singer is the lynch-pin to a sequel happening.
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LOL
LexLives you are the best troll in the forum history

Ehy why you don't open a thread in the Batman forum:

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LexLives the Batman sequel was officially announced in July 2006, not at the ShoWest.
But I want to accept your crappy theory about the ShoWest...so, if you are a man, dear LexLives, you have to promise that you'll cancel your account in this forum if Horn says that there 'll be a Superman sequel in the 2009.


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unfortunately, lexlives always got it right. amen.

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unfortunately, lexlives always got it right. amen.
hehe wouldnt it be pathetic that lexlives would have two accounts so that he would agree with himself?

i htink he did have on BT.net if remember

to agree wit ha guy who makes things up ?

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hehe wouldnt it be pathetic that lexlives would have two accounts so that he would agree with himself?

i htink he did have on BT.net if remember

to agree wit ha guy who makes things up ?
I still think he is phil & now possibly superbaby

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LOL
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Ehy why you don't open a thread in the Batman forum:

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LexLives the Batman sequel was officially announced in July 2006, not at the ShoWest.
But I want to accept your crappy theory about the ShoWest...so, if you are a man, dear LexLives, you have to promise that you'll cancel your account in this forum if Horn says that there 'll be a Superman sequel in the 2009.

You make my point. Even w/o an opfficial greenlight in March 2006 WB was 100% sure - despite no script - that thy were able to confirm that TDK would be their 2008 tentpoe film.

WB not doing that for Superman next week means only one thing - the project is iffy. If it was not they would have announced it as their 2009 tentpole.

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OK lexlives, lets see how good you eyes are. Who is that gentleman in the blue and red tights standing at the front of this group, in what can only be described as a position of leadership?

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OK, I know you know the answer. So saying Justice League doesn't need Superman is just stupid.

*Beats lexlives on the head for his stupidity*

Also, please present more evidence about the canning of MoS. It seems everyone else here has missed that.

Oh wait, there IS no evidence. Just you and your overactive imagination.

Just go away lex. Honestly, it ain't worth keeping up.
Its not clear yet if a JLA will have a Superman cameo or not. One report I read say it could be totally separate and not involve Batman or Superman. There was talk of a JLA TV series and that would not have included Superman.

Other than a cameo I don't think Superman needs to be in JLA. Especially if a SR sequel is shelved I doubt the director of JLA would want to launch his new franchise with a "failed" franchise film character which Superman will be seen as if they bring his film franchise to an end.


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actually no he hasn't.
He also claimed that they were going to reshoot SR because they were ashamed of Rouths performance.

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actually no he hasn't.
He also claimed that they were going to reshoot SR because they were ashamed of Rouths performance.
...and that Routh's lines were reduced because they found he couldn't act...

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I dont believe JLA the movie will happen, if so great, but I just dont see it coming together.

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CAUTION: JLA is the real Superman killer not Doomsday! Be with them supes in 1 movie but keep your distance. And keep WW as a real state.


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Dunno 'bout Superbaby, but I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt LexLives is NOT our very own "Welling-pwns-u!" & "Smallville-rulez!" Phil.

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