"Going Wrath Of Khan":The Official MOS Action Thread

[M.O.Steel]

The captain atom fight was a clear indication that superman is a warrior/fighter. His powers don't define him, he defines his powers. I dont' understand how even with no powers he didn't throw a big ass punch in SR agains the thugs. yes i know he was weakend by kryptonite, but damn man, at least throw a punch. you're superman for crying out loud.

[Kabuki_Jo]

Originally Posted by M.O.Steel

The captain atom fight was a clear indication that superman is a warrior/fighter. His powers don't define him, he defines his powers. I dont' understand how even with no powers he didn't throw a big ass punch in SR agains the thugs. yes i know he was weakend by kryptonite, but damn man, at least throw a punch. you're superman for crying out loud.

Agree with both your posts.

[Weadazoid]

Originally Posted by M.O.Steel

i'm not sure why it "HAS TO BE" zod based on his comments. Why can't brainiac be the one seeking revenge? He is technically from kal-el's past and knows the character really well. I'm not so sure about the revenge angle, but i'm sure they could come up with something.

but for the love of god.... the audience won't see it that way at all. Superman fans know who Brainiack is the general audience will not... most will say who is the robot looking alien.

Brainiack is not from the past in any sense that the audience will identify with. So what falshback time?

[Superman4ever!]

Originally Posted by ReTrO JuNkIe 42

But come on why Zod

Exactly Retro Junkie! No one gives two **** s about zod he's a lame dull character, we want Brainiac, Metallo, Doomsday, Darkside, Parasite, toyman, Myxzptlk, but singer and his Moronic cronies Harris & dougherty, who ought to have their asses Fired as well, think fans think Zod is Cool! WE DO NOT ASSWAD! We don not like or Appreciate 3rd rate Lameass villians that were not in the comics(they were in the comics after the movie came out) created Just for the Donner Movies!!!!!!! we want comic Book Villains WB! No more of singers Horrid Ideas!! ( or his Horrid writers!!)

[Superman4ever!]

Originally Posted by Weadazoid

but for the love of god.... the audience won't see it that way at all. Superman fans know who Brainiack is the general audience will not... most will say who is the robot looking alien.

Brainiack is not from the past in any sense that the audience will identify with. So what falshback time?

weadazoid youre an Idiot, general audiences know who brainiac is, he was in the superfriends cartoon, and now hes in smallville! shut the hellup with your total, ignorance! and the general audience just proved they didnt want singers take or his lame ass ideas! so Braniac would be a STEP UP!

[Superman4ever!]

Originally Posted by Apellation

The only people who are talking about Zod are the people who don't want him in the movie, which I think is hilarious.

yeah it show how Passionately we DONT WANT ZOD'S PATHETIC BORING ASS CHARACTER IN THE FILM AT ALL!!

[Motown Marvel]

so....much.....collateral....damage.

[matrix_ghost]

Originally Posted by Weadazoid

but for the love of god.... the audience won't see it that way at all. Superman fans know who Brainiack is the general audience will not... most will say who is the robot looking alien.

Brainiack is not from the past in any sense that the audience will identify with. So what falshback time?

If you look at the for example the Spiderman movies , you could say that the majority of the audience don't know who the green goblin is or who Doc Ock is. Yet they all flocked to the movies simply because they see that they're making the movies properly .
Adding a villain that can go toe to toe with the lead.
Showing just what todays technology can do in terms of CG fights.

I just don't see what's so great about seeing a plane being saved by Superman. Is it great , yes but from a technical perspective
If comic book movies were like SR , Constantine , FF , Spiderman , Batman would all be about ways to save people falling from trees , getting into accidents and stuff.

Many non comic readers could care less about Braniac or Doomsday. They don't know who they are.
All they need to know is that 1) they are a threat to superman , 2) superman has a hard time to defeat then , 3) they are visually great to see on the big screen and 4) it's fun to see them.


That is why FF is a hit. It's not loved by comic book readers but it's still a bg hit.
That is why Spiderman is such a hit. Doc Ock , man with tentacles fighting spiderman . Spiderman 3 , Sandman.

Heck even Batman hits the right notes.

[Weadazoid]

you fellas are mistaking me... I just mean Brainiack doens't make sense in a villain from the past reference.

He needs to be presented as fresh new villain the Superman knows nothing about, as for the most part Green Goblin and Doc were presented to Spiderman.

[C. Lee]

Originally Posted by Weadazoid

you fellas are mistaking me... I just mean Brainiack doens't make sense in a villain from the past reference.

He needs to be presented as fresh new villain the Superman knows nothing about, as for the most part Green Goblin and Doc were presented to Spiderman.

I agree with that...whatever villian they have next...it needs to be the first time that Supes sees or hears of him.

[EXCELSIOR]

I think the Wrath of Khan reference means...
That ST:TMP brought back Star Trek for a new generation... and it sort of was hit & miss... then ST:TWOK comes along and re-invents the francise, and kind of takes it in a new diretion... Khan was the movie that should have been made first. (it's a long and complicated story to the first film and how it was made) ST:TMP almost killed the whole thing... but Paramount knew they had something and something needed to change... thus KHAN!!!

I would guess what Singer means is that he could take his next Superman film in a new direction...

FYI: I worked on Star Trek: The Voyage Home (yeah the one with the whales)

[matrix_ghost]

How exactly is Brainiac not someone with a connection to Supes past
Aside from Smallville , which i believe doesn't have a connection to SR and probably will also not have a connection to all future and past Superman movies , i really don't see how Braniac is a villain from the past.

And while i agree that you need to have a villain that is new to superman , i think that , excluding Zod and his posse , there are many villain of the comics that all are new to superman.
No braniac , no doomsday , no darkseid etc etc.

[matrix_ghost]

Originally Posted by EXCELSIOR

I think the Wrath of Khan reference means...
That ST:TMP brought back Star Trek for a new generation... and it sort of was hit & miss... then ST:TWOK comes along and re-invents the francise, and kind of takes it in a new diretion... Khan was the movie that should have been made first. (it's a long and complicated story to the first film and how it was made) ST:TMP almost killed the whole thing... but Paramount knew they had something and something needed to change... thus KHAN!!!

I would guess what Singer means is that he could take his next Superman film in a new direction...

FYI: I worked on Star Trek: The Voyage Home (yeah the one with the whales)

So that would mean that Singer does admit that his version superman was a crappy movie ?
I hope that his Wrath of Khan sequel redeems much of what SR , cause a superman movie for this generation SR isn't.

It's funny how , when it was announced that singer was using the DOnner films as a template , everyone was extatic.
How things change within a few months with fans screaming for no more Donner.
LMAO

[matthooper]

If simply making a movie about Superman didn't inspire Singer for the first film, I fear nothing will.

He could watch the best fights (those are certainly some great ones you posted) but a director without imagination is lost forever. Even if he adds a great fight with a physical equal, so what. The rest of the movie will stand out even more as being mediocre. That's why so many people were content with SR, there really wasn't anything that stood out as unbelievable, so because there was nothing astounding, people who liked it were just happy they got to see Superman.

[Weadazoid]

Originally Posted by C. Lee

I agree with that...whatever villian they have next...it needs to be the first time that Supes sees or hears of him.

Thank you C if anything I am pro brainiack.... just not in a sense that he would be looked at as a villain from the past....., Maybe Kryptons past but not Supermans.

and I still think, New Krypton should have had some technology within it. It would have been nice if when Superman lifts that thing up a complex network of alien circuitry was revealed.


Would have been a nice segway/home/womb for Brainiack or even a source of some kind of beacon that would attract Brainiack or other aliens to our solar system

[Kabuki_Jo]

I'm afraid you're right, Matt

[WormyT]

Originally Posted by Kabuki_Jo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLPDw2iTeU0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0VNjribyY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywo6F4xYTvA

I think this gives a great idea of what Superman can do while fighting and enemy that physically matches him.
It would be really cool to see those implemented on film.

What are your thoughts?

One more fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1uS2ztPaCU

I've been posting clips like these since the day SR came out.
Yes Superman fights should be 10 times more diesel than spideys with oodles of destruction.
For those who think it will be as boring and bloodless as Neo Mr. Smith, your dead wrong. Remember Superman was beaten to death by Doomsday and nearly pummeled to death by Metallo and Darseid on Numerous occasions. Actually Metallo was inches from killing him in a John Byrne comic in the late 80's but Luthor got super jealous and had Metalo teleported away.
And for those who just complain about people wanting hi octane action (for once) in a Superman movie, whats the alternative? MORE plane/train/kitten saving?

[Kabuki_Jo]

Originally Posted by WormyT

And for those who just complain about people wanting hi octane action (for once) in a Superman movie, whats the alternative? MORE plane/train/kitten saving?

That's what the lovers want.

Now, a fight with Metallo would undoubtely be interesting to see in the big screen.

[echostation]

see though, I don't want it that Superman has to use his smarts to beat his opponent...

what I want to see is Superman sure getting his ass kicked but then much like he did to Captain Atom and how he eventually defeated Darkseid in TAS and beating him bad in the last JLU episode, I want to see him come out on top using his fists... not some trickery or some other form of crap. That's batman.

I mean sure, use some level of smarts, but ultimately I want to see him POUND the living hell out of the villain when he gets angry enough...

[Mentok]

Originally Posted by EXCELSIOR

FYI: I worked on Star Trek: The Voyage Home (yeah the one with the whales)

[Immortalfire]

Originally Posted by Mentok

Spock: They like you very much, but they are not the hell your whales.
Gillian: I suppose they told you that.
Spock: The hell they did.

[EXCELSIOR]

Originally Posted by matrix_ghost

So that would mean that Singer does admit that his version superman was a crappy movie ?
I hope that his Wrath of Khan sequel redeems much of what SR , cause a superman movie for this generation SR isn't.

It's funny how , when it was announced that singer was using the DOnner films as a template , everyone was extatic.
How things change within a few months with fans screaming for no more Donner.
LMAO

Yeah maybe...
But I think... and it's all speculation at this point... that Singer now feels free to make a Superman flick free of the bounds of the Donner films.

I've said this before that making SR a loose sequel to the Donner film(s) was both a blessing and a curse. The blessing being WB worked for nearly 12 years to get a Supes movie made and could never crack it... the curse being that WB decided the only way to get a Supes film made was to tie it to what everyone knew... the Donner film!

Going the Khan route could be interesting... Superman hasn't really had any formidable foes in the films, except for S2's Phantom Zone kronies!
Personally I'd like to see something new and maybe go with Braniac...

Scotty: "Captain, there be whales aboard"

[M.O.Steel]

Originally Posted by Weadazoid

but for the love of god.... the audience won't see it that way at all. Superman fans know who Brainiack is the general audience will not... most will say who is the robot looking alien.

Brainiack is not from the past in any sense that the audience will identify with. So what falshback time?

I highly doubt anyone knew who Ras al Ghul was. I mean, I didn't even know him that well. I highly doubt anyone has even heard of sandman. It doesn't matter who they use, because 9 times out of 10 it's highly likely the general audience will not know who it is. It's about developing the character.

[matrix_ghost]

Originally Posted by EXCELSIOR

Yeah maybe...
But I think... and it's all speculation at this point... that Singer now feels free to make a Superman flick free of the bounds of the Donner films.

I've said this before that making SR a loose sequel to the Donner film(s) was both a blessing and a curse. The blessing being WB worked for nearly 12 years to get a Supes movie made and could never crack it... the curse being that WB decided the only way to get a Supes film made was to tie it to what everyone knew... the Donner film!

Going the Khan route could be interesting... Superman hasn't really had any formidable foes in the films, except for S2's Phantom Zone kronies!
Personally I'd like to see something new and maybe go with Braniac...

Scotty: "Captain, there be whales aboard"

Given the fact that the basis was a Donner film isn't exactly a bad move. After all you're always basing you're movie on the one that came before it. In terms of trying to top it and in terms of contuinity.
But it should've ended there. Not go requel.

Speaking for myself , when i left SR i couldn't help but have a feeling of "Is that it ? "
200 million dollars and that's the best you can show us

And to be honest. Is it more because SInger was forced to make a donner movie or the fact that he loves the donner movies to death and made a movie in the same manner as those ?
Cause he does love the first Donner movie , even using it as the blue print for superhero movies..like so many other directors ( Sam Raimi).

I think it's more of the latter and this time he'll be "forced" to make "his own" version of a superman movie. And i say "forced" because the BO of SR has shown that ; "his own" because that's what SR is. His movie.


Anyways , i hope to see some supervillain and this time to see 200 million in action. I've seen just one movie worthy of it's 200 million dollars and that was Spiderman 2. I've seen techincally 1 movie ( even tough it was 2) worth of it's 100 million dollar VFX budget which were Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions.
Those effects show.

Movies like Star Wars , LOTR. It shows where the money has gone. They need to show what they can do with their technology. They need to show why everyone knows superman.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think Singer will go less Donner with the sequel, Donner feels the batton has been passed so it is time to move on from his movies IMO.