Routh may be out as Superman

[aia]

i thought routh was great. i loved how he acted with his expressions. If that makes sense.
If anyone should be replaced it should be lois. If he didn't say alot thats down to screen writters. I loved his facial expressions. I thought there was something quite broody about him that isn't Reeves. I think give the guy another shot.

[Czar Colossus]

The more times I watch this movie the more I like it and Routh has a lot to do with that!

[Superman Prime]

Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie

People need to seriously get the Hell over this. The next cinematic Man of Steel won't be Routh, Welling, Cavill, Bomer, etc. You're looking at another unknown at this point.

?

You don't know that.

[aia]

film nerd jamie you say people need to get over it, well the thing is if enough people want him and don't get him. and don't end up going to see the movie because they don't like the actor. and if enough people do it and the studio loses money then everyone will be saying should of kept routh etc and having a go at the next supes...
If i don't like the actor then i won't spend money and see it. simple.

[Timstuff]

There is no rule that Superman has to be an unknown. If the next director likes Cavill they may at least give him a screen test. Who are we to say who is and isn't ruled out at this point? The exceptions being Routh and Welling, obviously, since they have already played the character and this is a reboot.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Originally Posted by Superman Prime

You don't know that.

Yes I do.

[Showtime]

Whether they cast James Belushi or my mail man, you can bet that Routh will be on the red carpet at the premiere to see the new Superman movie.

[aia]

superman films have always had a curse to them......
maybe singer is superstitious and thats why he changed the suit.
Maybe some of your fave actors wouldn't touch the role because of this.




Cover of the June 16, 1959 edition of New York Post, reporting the death of George Reeves


The Superman Curse refers to a theory that is based on a series of misfortunes that have plagued creative people involved in adaptations of Superman in various media, particularly actors who have played the role of Superman on film and television.
The curse in a nutshell:
If you play the strongest man on Earth, you will either die an untimely death or end up in the weakest position possible. The curse is "somewhat well-known in popular culture", though some would deny the curse, stating that several Superman-related actors, such as Bud Collyer and Teri Hatcher, continued with successful careers after their association with the franchise. Another factor that attempts to better explain the curse is the "no cape or on-screen time" rule, meaning that actors of the Smallville TV series have not been cursed due to the Superman outfit not being worn, or that voice actors who have played Superman in radio or animated adaptations, namely Bud Collyer and Tim Daly, have escaped the curse.[1]

Siegel & Shuster

Writer Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster created Superman in the 1930s but their employer DC Comics held the copyright to the character. In 1946, the two sued DC, arguing that they were inadequately compensated for the character. The New York Supreme Court limited their settlement to $60,000 each, a small sum compared to the millions of dollars Superman comic books, films, television series, and merchandise grossed. In 1975, in response to a campaign launched by Siegel and Shuster and joined by many prominent comic book creators, DC agreed to pay the two lifetime pensions of $35,000 a year and give them credit in every adaptation of the character. While Siegel and Shuster were respected in comic book fandom for Superman, neither went on to work on any other high-profile comic books after Superman.
The Fleischer Brothers

Brothers Max and Dave Fleischer (two early pioneers of 20th century animation) founded Fleischer Studios, which produced the original Popeye, Betty Boop, and Superman cartoons. Shortly after bringing Superman into animation, the Fleischers began feuding with one another; their studio slumped financially until they were forced to sell to Paramount Pictures, which ousted the Fleischers and rearranged their company as Famous Studios. Although Dave Fleischer went on to a career as a special effects advisor at Universal Studios (which now owns many of Paramount's sound feature films released before 1950), Max died penniless at the Motion Picture & Television Country House and Hospital.
Kirk Alyn

Kirk Alyn played Superman in two low-budget 1940s serials but failed to find work afterwards, saying that casting directors thought he was too recognized as Superman. He eventually retired to Arizona. He made an uncredited cameo appearance in the 1978 film Superman: The Movie as the father of young Lois Lane, who witnesses young Clark Kent racing their train (his wife is portrayed by Noel Neill, also uncredited, who played Lois Lane in the Kirk Alyn Superman movies as well as on The Adventures of Superman from 1952 to 1958).[2] Alyn developed Alzheimer's disease before passing away of related causes at the age of 89 in 1999.
[edit] George Reeves

George Reeves played Superman in the 1951 film Superman and the Mole Men and the ensuing television series Adventures of Superman. Like Alyn, he was recognized only for that role. On June 16, 1959, days before he was to be married, Reeves was found dead of a gunshot wound at his home with his Luger near him. The death was ruled a suicide but other theories persist.

John F. Kennedy
In 1963, U.S. President John F. Kennedy's staff approved a Superman story in which the hero touts the president's physical fitness initiatives, scheduled to be published with an April 1964 cover date. On November 22, Kennedy was shot and killed but, at the request of successor Lyndon B. Johnson, DC published a reworked version of the story.[3]
Danny Dark

Danny Dark, best known for being the voice-over king of commercials, voiced the role of Superman/Clark Kent on the long-running Saturday morning cartoon series Super Friends from 1973 to 1985. He died on June 13, 2004 of a pulmonary hemorrhage at the age of 65. It has been argued that as a voice actor and not a live-action portrayal of Superman, Dark's death was natural, unlike the dubious death of George Reeves or terrible accident of Christopher Reeve.
Richard Donner

Richard Donner was hired to direct Superman: The Movie and Superman II. With the completion of the first film and about 25% of the sequel left to finish, Donner was fired from the project; director Richard Lester was hired to finish and direct Superman II. Around 50% of Donner's film was scrapped and re-shot by Lester, delaying the theatrical release until 1980. In 2006, Donner released Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut on DVD with all of his footage restored and most of Lester's removed.
The notion that Donner was actually "cursed" by his association with Superman is a subject for debate. While his falling out with the Salkinds led to a re-working of Superman II, he has since directed all four Lethal Weapon films starring Mel Gibson and Danny Glover, the big screen adaptation of Maverick starring Gibson in the role once made famous by James Garner, The Goonies, and Scrooged with Bill Murray. Donner also co-wrote issues of the Superman comic book, Action Comics with his former assistant Geoff Johns.
Christopher Reeve

• Christopher Reeve played Superman/Clark Kent in the Superman film series, Superman: The Movie (1978), Superman II (1980), Superman III (1983), and Superman IV: The Quest for Peace (1987). The actor was paralyzed from the neck down after being thrown from his horse in a cross-country equestrian riding event on May 27, 1995. Reeve died on October 10, 2004 due to heart failure stemming from his medical condition.

[aia]

Dana Reeve

• Dana Reeve, the widow of Christopher Reeve and co-founder of the Christopher and Dana Reeve Foundation with her late husband, publicly revealed that she was diagnosed with lung cancer on August 9, 2005. She died of cancer on March 6, 2006 at the age of 44.

Margot Kidder

• Margot Kidder, who played Superman’s love interest Lois Lane opposite Christopher Reeve suffers from intense bipolar disorder. In April 1996, she went missing for several days and was found by police in a paranoid, delusional state.[4] She also suffered severe neck injuries in a car accident.[5]

Marlon Brando

Marlon Brando, who played Superman's biological father Jor-El in Superman (1978) underwent various personal tragedies later in his life:

• In May 1990, Brando's first son, Christian, shot and killed Dag Drollet, 26, the lover of Christian's half-sister Cheyenne Brando, at the family's home above Beverly Hills. Christian, 31, claimed the shooting was accidental. After a heavily publicized trial, Christian was found guilty of voluntary manslaughter and was sentenced to ten years in prison. Christian died eighteen years later at the age of 49.
• The tragedy was compounded in 1995, when Cheyenne, said to still be depressed over Drollet's death and over losing her child to Drollet's parents, committed suicide by hanging herself. She was 25 years old.
• Marlon Brando's notoriety, his family's troubled lives, his self-exile from Hollywood, and his obesity attracted considerable attention in his later career. On July 1, 2004, Brando died at the age of 80. The cause of his death was withheld, with his lawyer citing privacy concerns. It was later revealed that he died of respiratory failure brought on by pulmonary fibrosis. He had also been suffering from liver cancer, congestive heart failure, and diabetes, which was causing his eyesight to fail.

Lee Quigley

Lee Quigley, who played the baby Kal-El in the 1978 Superman movie, died in March 1991 at the age of fourteen after inhaling solvents.
[edit] Richard Pryor

Comedian Richard Pryor, who had previously suffered from a drug addiction that led to a near fatal suicide attempt, starred as villain Gus Gorman in 1983’s Superman III, but later took Superman's side near the end of the movie and became a hero. Three years later, he announced that he was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. He died of cardiac arrest on December 10, 2005.
Mariel Hemingway

On July 2, 1996, the 35th anniversary of their grandfather's suicide, Superman IV (1987) co-star Mariel Hemingway's older sister, model and actress Margaux was found dead at age 41. She had taken an overdose of sedatives. Though Margaux's death was ruled a suicide, Mariel disputed this finding.
Mark Pillow

Mark Pillow, who made his acting debut playing Nuclear Man in 1987's Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, never went on to star in another movie. In December 2008, Pillow was located and interviewed, and currently lives in Texas with his wife and two daughters working as a wine distributor.
Actors from Superboy

• Both John Haymes Newton and Gerard Christopher, who starred as the title character in the Superboy television series (1988–1992), fell into obscurity after their respective tenures as the character.
• The same case can be made for Stacy Haiduk, who played love interest Lana Lang on the show and Ilan Mitchell-Smith, who played Superboy's college friend Andy McAllister.
• Professional wrestler Lex Luger had a guest role on the show as the "New Superboy". In 2007, he suffered a spinal stroke that initially paralyzed him in a quadriplegic state. He announced in April 2010 that he had finally recovered from his stroke and paralysis, but lost over 100lbs and will probably not be able to wrestle again.

[edit] Lane Smith

Lane Smith, who played Clark Kent and Lois Lane's boss Perry White on the Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman television series, was diagnosed with the rare Lou Gehrig's Disease in April 2005 and died of the disease on June 13, 2005.
[edit] Jeph Loeb

Jeph Loeb, writer of Superman comics and the Smallville TV series lost his son, Sam Loeb, to cancer in 2005.
[edit] Superman video game curse

One variation of the 'Superman Curse' is the Superman Video-Game Curse, which states that most, if not all, Superman-related games are one or more of the following:

• have poor graphics
• have a poor control system
• generally not entertaining
• contain multiple glitches
• are either considered far too easy or far too challenging
• get a poor reception from fans and the media

Superman 64 is the most famous video-game to fall under the 'Superman Video-Game Curse', often considered to be the worst superhero game and worst game for the Nintendo 64.
[edit] Those who have "escaped" the curse

It can be noted that actors who played villains in the movies have not suffered from the curse. Some of the villain actors experienced just the opposite:

• Gene Hackman (who played Lex Luthor in Superman I, II, and IV) continues to enjoy a hugely successful acting career.
• Terence Stamp (who played General Zod in Superman: The Movie and Superman II, and also the voice of Jor-El in Smallville) has had a long and successful career.
• Kevin Spacey (who played Lex Luthor in Superman Returns) has been a popular and distinguished actor for many years.
• Ned Beatty (who played Otis in Superman I) has enjoyed a long acting career and is still active in the business.
• Jon Cryer (who played Lenny Luthor in Superman IV) currently stars in the successful sitcom Two and a Half Men (produced by Warner Bros., owners of DC Comics).
• Teri Hatcher (who played Lois Lane in Lois and Clark) went on to have a successful career in the popular comedy/drama series Desperate Housewives. She also appeared in the James Bond movie Tomorrow Never Dies.
• Brandon Routh played Superman in the 2006 film Superman Returns. Although fans have feared that he would fall victim to the curse, he continues to enjoy a successful acting career and has not suffered any misfortunes or tragedies thus far.

The following actors can also be said to have avoided the "curse", although are best known for their portrayals as Superman and so it could be argued they have been type-cast:

• Tom Welling plays a young Clark Kent in the TV show Smallville. Although not widely known outside of Smallville, Welling is someone considered for the Superman role on the big screen when casting rumours surface, due to his time playing the role. However, as the Superman outfit has so far not been used in the series, it could be argued Welling falls into the "no cape or live action" clause.
• Dean Cain became a household name in the mid-1990s due to his portrayal of Superman/Clark Kent in Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. He went on to have other varied roles, in shows such as Frasier and Law & Order, as well as making a cameo appearance in Smallville.

[aia]

i copied this from the net- as it explained it better then i could, but i wanted to prove a point that- the actors you want may not touch the role...
And brandon wants the role. Thinking about it maybe he should say no no no. As the geeky fans want him back in the cursed suit!

And maybe thats why singer changed the suit. Personal i have never understood why people kick off about the suit.
Its very anal and geeky. And i say to my self get a life instead of posting pics of detailed boots....

look at everything that has happened since supes returned. lawsuits that have held things up...
hmmm child off superman?...
if i was lois i'd run like hell! Her whole future realinships are based on the fact that an alien pops in every night to see his son. Smashing anything she could have with a human. After seeing the movie i couldn't help but think she has a bigger secret then clark has. But she can't be with superman! Or with an mortal either as her super son could be found out. So she is doomed to be alone. I hated the end scene where supes files away. Its so like the cat that got the cream. Sorry if this the wrong thread.
I just got it like he isn't interested in lois no more but his manhood had been proven. he's not alone- i got that.
But viking did it, every invader did it. Kill the men and have babys with the women...
and then that kind of rubbished the love of lois and clark/superman
i'd feel used in my option.

[Timstuff]

Did you know that the Superman Curse affects people who watch Superman films, as well? I know can name tons of people who have suffered tragedies who have all seen Superman: The Movie.

[aia]

Originally Posted by Timstuff

Did you know that the Superman Curse affects people who watch Superman films, as well? I know can name tons of people who have suffered tragedies who have all seen Superman: The Movie.

name and shame them then?
I don't believe in it. However it looks odd all the bad stuff thats happened. But then surely i could do that with any film?
My point that it'll be hard to fill his boots.

Lol even kate bosworth is blaming her broken realinshop on it! Like i said lol. http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf...-split_1008978

And timstuff one of the creators of superman did write a curse. So there you go. -watch the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ3ndl9_G5A

[Timstuff]

Originally Posted by aia

name and shame them then?
I don't believe in it. However it looks odd all the bad stuff thats happened. But then surely i could do that with any film?

Oh look, you got it.

For the record, I don't believe in the curse either. I think it's a whole lot of nonsense strung out of coincidence.

[Red Cherry Lips]

Routh is probably out. He had his moment in the iconic tights and that's a good thing.

[Mostpowerful]

Originally Posted by aia

i thought routh was great. i loved how he acted with his expressions. If that makes sense.
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Originally Posted by Red Cherry Lips

Routh is probably out. He had his moment in the iconic tights and that's a good thing.

Originally Posted by david6720

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I think Brandon is a amazing Superman. He had this great presence in the suit that blew me away, and still does every time I watch the film. I think he has a magnetism and a majesty when portraying the character that makes me think of him as a prince and royalty.

give am ear..

Very well said, guys.

[RustyCage]

Originally Posted by Doctor Baywatch

Routh was not the problem.

This.

[smoothbody]