Who here thinks THE FLASH cannot support his own movie?

[Flash Facts]

I doubt The Flash would be running at lightspeed, at least not at first.

Also Captain Cold isn't just a "guy with an ice gun". His gun negates thermal motion, it stops movement on a molecular level. One of the things he can do with it is put up a "cold field" around him which basically stops whatever touches it instantly.

[Katsuro]

I can't believe people are saying Flash wouldn't make a good movie. I think Flash actually has the opportunity to be kinda unique in regards to superhero movies.

First of all, I'd love to see a Flash movie that jumps straight into Flash being a hero. Maybe a quick flashback origin, but the movie should start with him already popular, and the villains would the Rogues, teaming up to fight The Flash. We'd learn that he'd fought these guys before, but the audience first meets them as they team up. I'm tired of formulaic origin stories. Start the movie off with a bang, The Flash is there and everyone alreadys knowns and loves him.

Secondly, and the most interesting to me, is to have a superhero movie where the hero dies. Nobody who's not into comics would expect it. The end of the movie, and The Flash dies. They could set up Wally for the next one and everything, but to have a superhero die at the end of his first movie would be shocking as hell. Can you imagine if the first Spider-Man ended with Peter Parker's death?

[Buttman]

They can't use Captain Cold, unless he's never reffered to as that. Its just about the silliest least threatening villain name I've ever head.

And yeah I think Flash could (and will) make a film, but it'd probably suck in that kind of Daredevil way of "nothing is wrong with it, but nothing is right either". Just bland, you know?

- Flash gets powers.
- Villain gets powers.
- Flash tries out his powers, at first he has difficulty controling it then masters it.
- Villain is pushed over the edge and becomes evil.
- Flash's girlfriend gets kidnapped by the villain.
- Flash saves the day and the villain dies.

I know you could make the arguement that "all superhero movies are like that", and thats kind of why most of them are bad. Unless you had a really interesting writer and director who U-Turned it, I think we're gonna get a Happy Meal version of The Flash which you see and then instantly forget about.

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by Katsuro

I can't believe people are saying Flash wouldn't make a good movie. I think Flash actually has the opportunity to be kinda unique in regards to superhero movies.

First of all, I'd love to see a Flash movie that jumps straight into Flash being a hero. Maybe a quick flashback origin, but the movie should start with him already popular, and the villains would the Rogues, teaming up to fight The Flash. We'd learn that he'd fought these guys before, but the audience first meets them as they team up. I'm tired of formulaic origin stories. Start the movie off with a bang, The Flash is there and everyone alreadys knowns and loves him.

Secondly, and the most interesting to me, is to have a superhero movie where the hero dies. Nobody who's not into comics would expect it. The end of the movie, and The Flash dies. They could set up Wally for the next one and everything, but to have a superhero die at the end of his first movie would be shocking as hell. Can you imagine if the first Spider-Man ended with Peter Parker's death?

Holy crap! that would be awesome!

just this whole standard supergero action film where you already know the ending, and then BAM! He gets killed and the movie ends.

You could even have Wally then go after the villians one by one after that. Most comic movies have more and more bad guys in each movie, this would start with a bunch, and then go down to one.

[Katsuro]

Originally Posted by Buttman

They can't use Captain Cold, unless he's never reffered to as that. Its just about the silliest least threatening villain name I've ever head.

And yeah I think Flash could (and will) make a film, but it'd probably suck in that kind of Daredevil way of "nothing is wrong with it, but nothing is right either". Just bland, you know?

- Flash gets powers.
- Villain gets powers.
- Flash tries out his powers, at first he has difficulty controling it then masters it.
- Villain is pushed over the edge and becomes evil.
- Flash's girlfriend gets kidnapped by the villain.
- Flash saves the day and the villain dies.

I know you could make the arguement that "all superhero movies are like that", and thats kind of why most of them are bad. Unless you had a really interesting writer and director who U-Turned it, I think we're gonna get a Happy Meal version of The Flash which you see and then instantly forget about.

Read my post. It doesn't have to follow that formula. It can start with Flash already well into his career. We can introduce his villains in prison, deciding to team up together to break out and take down Flash together. He saves the day, but ends up sacrificing his life to do so. I'd say that's different enough from the usual superhero movie.

[cerealkiller182]

Katsuro,I like your pitch. Its really good but I just hate the idea of barry (same way as Hal) I just dont think their interesting enough. But the way its set up is very true to the comics. Id prolly have Zoom pulling the Rogues strings so that their is a speedster showdown at the end and they both end up in the speed force. Its just Zoom seems very cliche grudge deal.

[Iceburgeruk]

Originally Posted by Flash Facts

I doubt The Flash would be running at lightspeed, at least not at first.

Also Captain Cold isn't just a "guy with an ice gun". His gun negates thermal motion, it stops movement on a molecular level. One of the things he can do with it is put up a "cold field" around him which basically stops whatever touches it instantly.

Fair enough. To get away from any Mr. Freeze associations they should make him a cold hearted mofo. You know freeze some security guard and shatter his head or something. Just so that you know this is a guy who means business as opposed to batman and robin mister freeze who was a guy who meant campness.lol.

Oh yeah and on that note no unfreezings. If captain cold blasts you with his gun and you actually freeze, you infact actually die.

[tyler-durden]

Captain Cold is a Cold Hearted Mofo, he did shatter some security guards jaw once.

[Flash Facts]

That is exactly how CC is. In the story Wonderland Cold freezes a cop's lower jaw and punches if off because he mistook him for Mr. Freeze.

Just about all of The Flash's rogues can be made formidable with the right writing. I do agree that Captain Boomerang probably wouldn't translate well to film though. He might make a good joke character though like he shows up talking about how much he hates the flash and is going to kill him and The Flash is like you gotta be kidding me and just takes him out before even finishes talking or something like that.

Katsuro's example is very interesting but I don't know if the general audience could accept a "bad" ending.

[Iceburgeruk]

Originally Posted by Flash Facts

That is exactly how CC is. In the story Wonderland Cold freezes a cop's lower jaw and punches if off because he mistook him for Mr. Freeze.

Just about all of The Flash's rogues can be made formidable with the right writing. I do agree that Captain Boomerang probably wouldn't translate well to film though. He might make a good joke character though like he shows up talking about how much he hates the flash and is going to kill him and The Flash is like you gotta be kidding me and just takes him out before even finishes talking or something like that.

Katsuro's example is very interesting but I don't know if the general audience could accept a "bad" ending.

You could write Captain Boomerang as a grade-A douchebag and have how he is boasting how he is gonna defeat the Flash. He confronts Flash and carrys on about how great he is. Flash prepares to defeat him but is attacked by another foe (Captain Cold, Doctor Polaris whoever it don`t matter) battle commences and soon the main film villain defeats the Flash. As Flash gets up Captain Boomerang gets a cheap shot in with his boomerang catching Flash off guard. Captain Boomerang leaves singing his own praises. Flash keeps trying to catch him but luck is on Boomerang`s side and he keeps getting away or being saved by the arrival of the film`s main villain. At the end of the film when he is telling his adoring criminal punk fans of how he is the man who bested the Flash he spots a bulletin that the film`s main villain has been apprehended. With a gulp he hears a woosh and turns to see the annoyed Flash`s fist coming towards his face.

I think that would be a funny way to feature him.

[REDophile]

If Zoom is to be used as a villain, Dobkin and Co. should first set him up as Hunter Zolomon for his transformation in a possible sequel if and when the movie happens. They should establish him as a friend and colleague of Wally at the Keystone City Police Dept. Than you would create an ally-turned-enemy dynamic similar to Norman Osbourne/Green Goblin in Spider-Man or Harvey Dent/Two-Face in Batman.

[The Major]

Originally Posted by Flash Facts

I doubt The Flash would be running at lightspeed, at least not at first.

Also Captain Cold isn't just a "guy with an ice gun". His gun negates thermal motion, it stops movement on a molecular level. One of the things he can do with it is put up a "cold field" around him which basically stops whatever touches it instantly.

Exactly.

Cold has a great personality which would work in live action, too.

[The Major]

Originally Posted by Buttman

They can't use Captain Cold, unless he's never reffered to as that. Its just about the silliest least threatening villain name I've ever head.

And yeah I think Flash could (and will) make a film, but it'd probably suck in that kind of Daredevil way of "nothing is wrong with it, but nothing is right either". Just bland, you know?

- Flash gets powers.
- Villain gets powers.
- Flash tries out his powers, at first he has difficulty controling it then masters it.
- Villain is pushed over the edge and becomes evil.
- Flash's girlfriend gets kidnapped by the villain.
- Flash saves the day and the villain dies.

I know you could make the arguement that "all superhero movies are like that", and thats kind of why most of them are bad. Unless you had a really interesting writer and director who U-Turned it, I think we're gonna get a Happy Meal version of The Flash which you see and then instantly forget about.

It's not that different from the standard action movie formula.

[The Major]

Originally Posted by REDophile

If Zoom is to be used as a villain, Dobkin and Co. should first set him up as Hunter Zolomon for his transformation in a possible sequel if and when the movie happens. They should establish him as a friend and colleague of Wally at the Keystone City Police Dept. Than you would create an ally-turned-enemy dynamic similar to Norman Osbourne/Green Goblin in Spider-Man or Harvey Dent/Two-Face in Batman.

Flash has many great villains just from the Rogues. Some could film movies just by themselves like Mirror Master, Gorilla Grodd and Hunter Zoloman Zoom.

Non-Rogue villains like Savitar would be great, too.

They could set up Francis Kane as a girlfriend, as well. She could cause a rivalry over Wally with Linda Park. Or since she has magnetic powers, along with Dr. Polaris, mean DC won't touch them?

[The Major]

Originally Posted by tyler-durden

Captain Cold is a Cold Hearted Mofo, he did shatter some security guards jaw once.

Cold froze the murderer of his sister enough that he could still feel then threw him off a building in Johns' run.

That would be cool to see in live action. Just change it so Chillblaine is a random mob enforcer or hoodlum and that his sister isn't a super-villain, perhaps she witnessed a mob hit so she gets killed before she can testify. Combine that with his terrible childhood where she's his only friend and there's your origin for Cold right there.

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Originally Posted by Iceburgeruk

Oh yeah and on that note no unfreezings. If captain cold blasts you with his gun and you actually freeze, you infact actually die.

That works for me. The audience needs to realize Cold does not **** around.

[Lord Blackbolt]

Whatever happened to that script David Goyer was suppose to write?

[M.O.Steel]

it fell through

[Lord Blackbolt]

I wonder if he wrote a rough draft or something..

[I Am The Knight]

I think it was "too dark" for WB's idea of a Flash movie.

[Webhead2006]

yea his was more darker and wb wants a more lighter, family friendler type.

[terry78]

Originally Posted by Webhead2006

yea his was more darker and wb wants a more lighter, family friendler type.

Which I don't see a problem with. Don't make the character all moody and angsty if he's never been.

[cerealkiller182]

i can see the tone of the movie being darker than usual though because of the rogues but still have a real light hearted hero.

I think of Spiderman 2 where it was slightly darker and more dramatic but the character changed with that tone. If you keep the hero light and find the balance it could be very good

[The Major]

Originally Posted by terry78

Which I don't see a problem with. Don't make the character all moody and angsty if he's never been.

I agree. They don't need to go that far.

Though I hope they don't go to light.

Riami's Spider-man would be a good fit for it in tone. The villains needs some bite with a story that has some danger involved.

[Flash Facts]

After seeing TDK I wonder if WB is regretting losing Goyer on The Flash movie.

[The Major]

Originally Posted by Flash Facts

After seeing TDK I wonder if WB is regretting losing Goyer on The Flash movie.

They can always hire him to write a new Flash draft, use the old one or green light Green Arrow.