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Old 02-02-2008, 11:45 PM   #51
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I don't get it. I'm a big fan of McFarlene Brock/Venom. But other than that, what makes anyone think a film dedicated to Venom is going to be any good.

Seriously, IMHO, other than McFarlene, Venom was always pretty hollow in the comics, TAS of the 90's was better, but he was still somewhat of a dumbass, and well, we've seen SM3. In other words, Venom has never really been done right, what make anyone think it will be done right this time.

I just don't trust it.... who is he going to battle, what is the story about, floating from host-to-host, and is he going to be this anti-hero... that ruin him in the comics in the first place, imo. I don't know guys.

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Old 02-02-2008, 11:46 PM   #52
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Not necessarily...all it would require is a good rewrite of the Eddie Brock/Venom character.
What's the point in using Venom then if you're going to change the character? Further proof he's just not suited for his own movie if you have to totally rewrite him.

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And an origin for the symbiote that could be homage to The Thing/At The Mountains of Madness.
The symbiote already got an origin in SM-3.

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Old 02-02-2008, 11:49 PM   #53
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Venom fighting Carnage? Who wouldn't pay to see that!?
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Old 02-02-2008, 11:52 PM   #54
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So, who do you guys want as Venom if Topher Grace doesn't return?
Someone who actually looks like they have gone through puberty.
A few suggestions: Ralf Moeller, Matt Schulze, Kevin Grevioux.

If this movie is sans Raimi and sans Blowpher, it has a chance. As other have suggested, it also needs to be R-rated especially if Carnage is the antagonist.

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Old 02-03-2008, 12:04 AM   #55
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It isn't even about looks. Topher Grace did a great job as Venom & could've did an even better job had that douche Sam Raimi had given him more screentime when he became Venom.

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Old 02-03-2008, 12:09 AM   #56
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It isn't even about looks. Topher Grace did a great job as Venom & could've did an even better job had that douche Sam Raimi had given him more screentime when he became Venom.
Topher was a complete and utter failure. He doesn't have the physical presence to be intimidating. He has no ability to convey any emotions without seeming campy. I'll agree that Venom should be written better but you simply can't make a tasty Ceasar salad out of a steaming pile of animal dung. SM3 showed us that.

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Blah blah blah

I don't even care for what you're saying since you're basically just bashing Topher. Like I said:

Topher Grace = Great Eddie Brock/Venom

End of story.

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Old 02-03-2008, 12:13 AM   #58
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If you look at this from a linear "good Venom vs. Carnage" route that most look at it from, it'll be a movie where the character isn't dark enough and an opportunity goes wasted. If you look at it from a non-linear standpoint and consider other possibilities, it doesn't have to be such a waste of celluloid.

Let's say you set up a character...Gargan, or someone else...who comes across the symbiote. The symbiote has traits from its last host and is desperate to find Peter and kill him, but if you rush a film like this and do that you might as well do this in a Spider-Man film. You can spend time showing this take on the symbiote lulling over the host with all of its positive points, tempting the character with the power it offers. Then things go down the horror alley. The host could be forced to commit all sorts of heinous acts; maybe you could introduce Carnage and have Venom kill him against the host's wishes. Make some outside drama and create an ending where the symbiote is finally destroyed, and you have a standalone film that can be the Venom film fans have wanted. You don't have to go about it like that, but I'm just a fan thinking of a practical story. You could definitely do better.

And by the way, Joker/Doc Ock: if they made a solo Doc Ock film, would you watch it?

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Old 02-03-2008, 12:14 AM   #59
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End of story.
I'm not being sarcastic, but do you really believe that?

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Old 02-03-2008, 12:17 AM   #60
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Blah blah blah

I don't even care for what you're saying since you're basically just bashing Topher. Like I said:

Topher Grace = Great Eddie Brock/Venom

End of story.
Call me old fashioned but I think that an actor should actually look like the character he/she is portraying. I have yet to meet a person who has answered "yes" when I ask them if John Goodman would make a good Spiderman despite his lengthy and celebrated career. By that same logic why should a mammoth, ferocious, awe-inspiring villian be played by a emaciated, B-movie reject like Blowpher?

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Old 02-03-2008, 12:17 AM   #61
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I don't think this film should be considered dommed jsut yet. I really think this film could be an amazing film. Look at it tihs way, Wolverine is a spin off, Magneto is a spin off, those films could fail, but do we know for sure? no. The same thing should be said about this film. Also, even though Venom doesn't have as much background as some other Villians, it doesn't mean they can't work into that and add things to him. I have alot of confidence for this film and quite frankly, I'm really excited for it.

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Old 02-03-2008, 12:19 AM   #62
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I'm not being sarcastic, but do you really believe that?

Of course I do, I thought that Topher Grace did a great job & he could've done an even better job if he had been given more screentime.

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I think he did a good job as Eddie Brock, but if he doesn't want to come back I'm fine with that.

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I don't think this film should be considered dommed jsut yet. I really think this film could be an amazing film. Look at it tihs way, Wolverine is a spin off, Magneto is a spin off, those films could fail, but do we know for sure? no. The same thing should be said about this film. Also, even though Venom doesn't have as much background as some other Villians, it doesn't mean they can't work into that and add things to him. I have alot of confidence for this film and quite frankly, I'm really excited for it.
I hope this is Marvel's way of counteracting the bungling of the character in SM3. If that's their intention, then I will get excited.

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Venom fighting Carnage? Who wouldn't pay to see that!?
Agreed, it's one of those action packed fights that makes us drool over the greatness of it.

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Of course I do, I thought that Topher Grace did a great job & he could've done an even better job if he had been given more screentime.
Well, I respect your opinion, but I totally disagree... that's just me.

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Old 02-03-2008, 12:31 AM   #67
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Agreed, it's one of those action packed fights that makes us drool over the greatness of it.
It *might* be good but it would need to include a relentless fighting spirit on Venom's part and gore on Carnage's part.

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I will be so happy if Topher returns. His journey into darkness was so gripping in Spidey3.

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It *might* be good but it would need to include a relentless fighting spirit on Venom's part and gore on Carnage's part.
Well, obviously there would be blood, whether it would be PG-13 or rated-R. Especially Carnage.


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I will be so happy if Topher returns. His journey into darkness was so gripping in Spidey3.

The guy was completely insane. That was evident when he thought he was "dating' Gwen.

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Well, obviously there would be blood, whether it would be PG-13 or rated-R. Especially Carnage.


By the way, sorry for the double post.
There is a big difference. Carnage is a slice-and-stab kind of fighter. Venom is the kind of fighter who keeps coming even when he's absorbed enormous amounts of punishment. We aren't talking bloody noses and black eyes here. Unless the studio goes with a different kind of blood ( ala AVP ) this movie must be R-rated for the necessary brutality of the characters.

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I'll believe it when I read it in Variety or The Hollywood Reporter, or hear it directly from "the studio."

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Exactly, I want to see these two ripping each other apart & just coming at each other until the other is dead. If Carnage is the protagonist & the movie is rated R, this movie is going to be badass.

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The guy was completely insane. That was evident when he thought he was "dating' Gwen.
I never saw any insanity. I saw a whiny, rich-looking kid who got caught cheating and threw a hissy fit. Could that kind of writing be more mundane?

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Dude, just be quiet. Please.

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