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Old 08-14-2010, 07:39 PM   #1
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Default What if Tim Burton Continued with Batman Forever and Batman & Robin

What do you think it would look like? Any artists want to take a crack at it and post pics of what Tim Burton's version of The Riddler, 2 Face, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane, and Robin may have looked like?

I can imagine what 2 Face would be like. And maybe Robin and The Riddler also. But I'm not sure if the other characters would fit in Burton's version of Batman based on the world set up in his two films. Or would they? I dunno... it almost seems that the characters Burton went with fit in a more real world setting than the Joel Schumacher versions.

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Old 08-15-2010, 12:24 AM   #2
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For a second I thought your username said 'Kurt Warner'...I was like, 'Sweet!', lol.

Anywho...I think Batman Forever would have been the end if Burton continued. It may be just me, but WB tried all they could to bring Burton back for Batman Returns, so it seems like Burton would have just done the trilogy(if they had kept with his demands and let him stay as director for BF as originally planned), and then that's it. And also, if Burton was still director, Keaton would've still been Batman.

It would've been very, very creepy to see Burton's version of Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy and Bane, imo.

Although, and I'll just say it again, I don't think Burton would've done a fourth; so either way, we could have been given a campy Batman & Robin film(the slightest change, although, could be if Schumacher's first Batman film was B&R, and so it would've just only had a little cheese as BF had).

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Old 08-15-2010, 02:37 AM   #3
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To me it seems like Burton said everything Batman he had to say with B89 and BR.

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Old 08-15-2010, 06:48 AM   #4
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Who knows what villains he would have used? He could have went with Scarecrow or even Mad Hatter.

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Old 08-15-2010, 10:07 AM   #5
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Didn't Burton plan on using the Scarecrow in the third movie?

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Old 08-15-2010, 11:44 AM   #6
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I thought I read or heard that once, but I didn't know if my mind was playing tricks with me.

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Old 08-15-2010, 01:22 PM   #7
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Billy D. Williams was going to be Two-Face and my guess is that a Robin would have be introduced.

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Old 08-15-2010, 01:47 PM   #8
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Burton wanted to use Robin Williams for Riddler, keep Keaton as Batman, keep Billy Dee Williams for Two-Face and Marlon Wayans was planned to play Robin in Batman Returns but was pushed out of that script and was finally asked to play as Robin in Batman Forever, and then Rene Russo was going to play Dr. Chase Meridian. All of this happened before Burton dropped out of the director's chair and moved to producer.

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Old 08-15-2010, 01:52 PM   #9
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To me it seems like Burton said everything Batman he had to say with B89 and BR.
i agree, which is why BR is all about the villians. Burton didn't know what else to do with Batman except hook him up with a villian.

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Old 08-15-2010, 03:05 PM   #10
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i agree, which is why BR is all about the villians. Burton didn't know what else to do with Batman except hook him up with a villian.
I disagree. B89 was also very focused on the villiain and in BR Batman had a development.

In BR Batman is lacking of a mission. Yes, he still beat the circus gang but he is so lacking of a goal (after having his revenge) that he starts to suspects about everything out of normality ('normal' being such a relative concept in Gotham City). Even Alfred is upset at how he insists in thinking that Oswald Cobblepot is a criminal and not the victim everyone else thinks. Yes, in the end he was right about Oswald, but his original suspicions were just a result of him needing that something bad was happening so Batman could have a reason to be.

He has become cynical and suspicious. After he met Selina, he starts feeling that love in his life could be the answer to the void he's feeling inside. At the same time, he has to learn how to relate to people he really cares about. Selina is not just another girl in his life. At the end of the movie he openly quits as Batman so he and Selina can be together. That's why it never bothered me that he unmasked himself in front of Max Shreck. At that point, Bruce was quitting and he cared about nothing but Selina in his life.

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Old 08-15-2010, 03:23 PM   #11
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I read that Robin was cast in Batman Returns to be played by Marlon Wayans. The guy from Scary Movie.

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Old 08-15-2010, 04:16 PM   #12
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Robin was supposed to be in both B89 and BR and in both movies his presence was ruled out.

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Old 08-15-2010, 04:53 PM   #13
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I read that Robin was cast in Batman Returns to be played by Marlon Wayans. The guy from Scary Movie.
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Burton wanted to use Robin Williams for Riddler, keep Keaton as Batman, keep Billy Dee Williams for Two-Face and Marlon Wayans was planned to play Robin in Batman Returns but was pushed out of that script and was finally asked to play as Robin in Batman Forever, and then Rene Russo was going to play Dr. Chase Meridian. All of this happened before Burton dropped out of the director's chair and moved to producer.
He was written in '89 Batman during the early stages, but was left out in later drafts of the script, then Burton had asked Marlon to be a part of Batman Returns, but in the final draft for BR, Robin was written out.

Marlon was paid, however, for Batman Forever even though he was never in the movie. The money he was given for BF was to buy him out so Schumacher could find a different Robin(I guess Wayans signed on the dotted lines and he was officially going to be Robin while Burton was still attached to direct).

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Old 08-15-2010, 09:06 PM   #14
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I can sort of see Burton using The Riddler or Scarecrow (surely he'd have good takes on those two). All this "he was going to use Robin Williams as The Riddler" or "he was planning on using The Scarecrow as the villain" is complete speculation. I've never heard or read anything from Burton himself, or anyone who worked closely with him, saying what villains or actors he would have used, and I doubt it came anywhere near that point. The way he tells it, WB execs nudged out when he was first beginning to consider a third film. I can't imagine he would have used Robin, because Robin was cut from the first two films not just because there was too much going on in both of those stories, but because Burton just had no interest in including him. The Burton-Keaton Batman is a Loner if ever there was one. As for Two-Face, I would like to think this theoretical third movie would have been a Two-Face story, because it's unfortunate that Billy Dee never got to build the character, but again, I doubt it. I doubt Burton had anything left to say about duality after Batman Returns.

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Old 08-15-2010, 09:14 PM   #15
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*cough cough*

Made this a long time ago

I'm making a newer version of it with a slightly changed and expanded cast.

EDIT: And before anyone asks, that's me as Robin in this one cuz I never liked the idea of Marlon Wayans and I couldn't think of an actor to use considering the time frame the movie would have been made.

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Old 08-16-2010, 02:15 PM   #16
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WTF... Marlon Wayans??? Oh God... Now I'm starting to think Batman Forever and Batman and Robin may have been such a clusterf***s compared to what might have been. Seriously? Marlon Wayans?

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*cough cough*

Made this a long time ago

I'm making a newer version of it with a slightly changed and expanded cast.

EDIT: And before anyone asks, that's me as Robin in this one cuz I never liked the idea of Marlon Wayans and I couldn't think of an actor to use considering the time frame the movie would have been made.
Is that Sarah Jessica Parker as Poison Ivy? Why? Unlike many others I'm not a Parker hater and I know she appeared in a few of Burton's other films, but I'm sure that he made another Batman film he would have cast someone as beautiful as Kim Basinger or Michelle Pfeiffer in that role (i.e. not Parker).

And who is Robin? Jason Schartzmann? Ughh. I like the idea behind your poster but I do hope you'll change those two pieces of casting for your next attempt. And is that a picture of Robin Williams or Ian Hislop as The Riddler?

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WTF... Marlon Wayans??? Oh God... Now I'm starting to think Batman Forever and Batman and Robin may have been such a clusterf***s compared to what might have been. Seriously? Marlon Wayans?
Unless the execs would have forced Robin in, he would have never been there in Burton's watch, so relax.

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Burton wanted Marlon in Batman Forever though.

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Is that Sarah Jessica Parker as Poison Ivy? Why? Unlike many others I'm not a Parker hater and I know she appeared in a few of Burton's other films, but I'm sure that he made another Batman film he would have cast someone as beautiful as Kim Basinger or Michelle Pfeiffer in that role (i.e. not Parker).
Eh the basis I was using is people who've worked with Burton twice or more and she fit the bill. It was during her Hocus Pocus days where it's pretty much universal that everyone says that was her at her hottest.
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And who is Robin? Jason Schartzmann? Ughh. I like the idea behind your poster but I do hope you'll change those two pieces of casting for your next attempt. And is that a picture of Robin Williams or Ian Hislop as The Riddler?
Read my edit about Robin. And yes, those two are some that I've recast. And it's Robin Williams as Riddler.
And Jason Schwartzman is awesome.

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Burton wanted Marlon in Batman Forever though.
He wanted Marlon as Robin in BR. And it didn't happen.
And he wanted Robin in B89. And it didn't happen.

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He wanted Marlon as Robin in BR. And it didn't happen.
And he wanted Robin in B89. And it didn't happen.
Yes...but I was confused by your last post:

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Unless the execs would have forced Robin in, he would have never been there in Burton's watch, so relax.
Burton DID want Wayans as Robin, but the WB didn't want him in until BF, and he signed the dotted lines to finally be in the movie, until Schumacher paid him off and went to find O'Donnell.

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I just think WB didn't want Marlon Wayans. He was a nobody at the time the Burton movies were out.

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Old 08-17-2010, 02:08 AM   #24
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Burton was always skeptical and lackluster about Robin. During his work on the franchise, while he never ruled Robin out, he never found a way to make him work in his telling of Batman either. On the first movie, the writer Sam Hamm originally wrote Robin into the script, but everyone agreed it work better without him, so they dropped him, vaguely planning to use him for the second one.

On Returns, again Burton was open to finding a profile for the character to fit him in, and at least one executive at WB was pushing for him. The writer for the film, Daniel Waters hated Robin, but because of others wanting him in, came up with a mechanic character named Robin that would help Batman with the Batmobile. He was written as a young black man in a red mechanic's jumpsuit with the familiar R badge on his left breast pocket. This character was dropped because they decided that the movie was already crowded enough as it was.

As for the history of the behind the scenes development of Forever, my knowledge (and care) stops at the very first stage; when Burton is shooed off by WB. Obviously, Shoemaker kept the Robin as Bruce's mechanic part of Waters' script for Returns.

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And Jason Schwartzman is awesome.
Sure, but not as Robin. Robin should be a cool teenager with formidable fighting skills, not a geek.

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