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Just because money sits in a bank, it doesn't mean its not working. I believe most people would spend it, just like they normally would, they would pay off or pay down a credit card, which helps the economy. If they don't do that, they could spend it on crap, but that helps the economy. Or they could save it, which, as I said, helps the economy. It's no more different and doesn't cost the Taxpayers any more than the $350 Billion already set aside for the Bailouts. What do you have against people keeping the money they earn?
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It is our Constitutional obligation to pay income tax. What do you have against the Constitution?
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It doesn't say, "obligation to pay income tax". The Power to collect taxes can be suspended. It's the Government Obligation to protect our Rights as laid out by the Constitution. The Gohmert Plan is just a suspention of the Taxes, that is paid for with the Bailout Package. That's money ALREADY Collected. It's no different than a Reduction of Taxes. Do you really think there's an "Obligation" to pay Income Taxes? What about all the people that don't pay them now because they don't earn income, should the Government confiscate "their fair share"? This is just a different usage of the Bailout bill's Funds that are already set aside. With this Plan, it gives the power of picking winners and losers in the economy to the 141 Million Taxpayers, instead of the 535 elite people in Congress. THAT'S Democracy, what do you have against Democracy? Do you really think Government is so Infallable that they can't allow the Citizens of this country to have Economic Freedom? You do know that the Income Tax hasn't ALWAYS been around, it's just a hair over 100 years old, this country used to be able to function with out one, whats 2 months?
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Moreover, I see no definitive proof that this plan would do anything to revitalize our economy, and I do not see how it is any better than the hundreds of billions of dollars in imaginary money we plan to throw away. Yes, suspend taxes, people will have more money to spend-- but that doesn't mean that money will be spent, and that doesn't mean that the money accumulated in loans is going to go anywhere, either, considering the amount of defaulted loans in our country right now. Quote:
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Give It Back! Stimulus of the People, By the People!
Posted by http://www.cafepress.com/getright50 on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:36:26 AM This plan is fantastic in its simplicity. There are $350 billion left in the bailout money. The revenue from tax withholding for two months is somewhere around $336 billion. Congressman Gohmert proposes that the bailout money be kept in the treasury and give the people a two month tax holiday. This would be an immediate stimulus to the economy. It would allow us to spend the extra money to buy a car, flatscreen TV, catch up on bills, etc. It would prevent the bureaucrats from meddling in the free market and allow that free market to determine who will be winners and who will be losers. I heard Congressman Gohmert talk about his plan. He said that one Congressman suggested that it would be putting the money back into the hands of the very people that caused this mess. I would like to know the name of that Congressman - if that doesn't @#%% you off, I don't know what would. Newt Gingrich has endorsed the plan. Both Newt and Congressman Gohmert said that the effort to get this done will have to come from the people, as the politicians don't want to relinquish control, AND after two months without withholding, they will have a tax revolt on their hands. The link below describes the plan in detail and has a link to a petition at RedState.com. http://gohmert.house.gov/Article.aspx?NewsID=1355 In addition, we need to shut down the switchboard at the Capitol, as we did with the back-door Kennedy/McCain Amnesty bill. Contact Senators and Congress TODAY!!! The government is of the people, by the people and for the people. We must be active in it.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/..._new_york.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28270175/ http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468305,00.html Includes Taxes on all Payable Downloads from the Internet, like Itunes and Videogames!
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He deserved his SNL treatment.
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When I said that this is Democracy, I meant it in the Economic Sense, the Dollar Vote. Instead of the Government with it's 535 Elites deciding the Winners and Losers of Businesses and Corporations, let 141,000,000 TaxPayers decide how their Hard earned money is spend. Quote:
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New York has become a police state run by corrupt, over-spending, fascist a-holes.
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Um, no, he didn't. SNL portrayed him as a bumbling, drug obsessed fool who didn't know what he was doing. David Paterson is one of the most intelligent men in American politics right now, and with New York state on the brink of financial collapse, it makes sense that he is looking for ways to raise money. And unfortunately, the only way to bring in extra revenue is to raise taxes. The governor's office has cut several programs and managed to cut billions off its annual expenditures; but given the financial situation on Wall Street and the ongoing financial woes in Upstate, Paterson has to find money elsewhere.
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I highly doubt that people buying crap during the holidays will "miraculously" save the economy
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SuBe, you know I haven't supported any of the bailouts which Congress has passed/ proposed. But you said so yourself, that the money which is being generated in these bailout packages would still be pumped into the economy, just in the form of economic activity on behalf of the average person. So, my question is, how do we know that these businesses wouldn't be cutting jobs and closing factories anyway? It seems like that is an economic condition we cannot prevent from happening, regardless of what we do.
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The Economy, turning down isn't a thunderstorm that we have no control over whatsoever, it's a phenominon caused by Government, the government has to relieve it's pressure on business and the consumer, then it will bound back up.
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When more people have jobs, more people are paying income Taxes. If Income Taxes were less, people have more money to spend, which the Corporations receive, then they pay more Corporate Taxes. When Taxes are lower, there is less incentive to cheat on Taxes. Reduce Taxes, and Historically Revenue goes up. Raising Taxes is the Only Way DEMOCRATS know how to raise revenue.
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I love conservatives that speak up. Why didn't you guys run for president?
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We haven't had a Conservative Run for president since Regean.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...e-revenue.html
http://www.heritage.org/research/taxes/bg2001.cfm There are many more.
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http://usbudget.blogspot.com/2008/03...-revenues.html On principle, we should model our tax rate based upon Russia's: a flat income and sales tax. You'll make WAY more money in the sales tax market, since everybody has to buy food. O. |
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