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Old 04-12-2008, 02:55 PM   #26
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The only real similarity I see between Tony and Bruce is their both billionaires, superheroes, and use hi-tech gadgets. Other than that, completely different characters. Stan Lee says he created IM in a dare, he wanted to see if he could make people like a Howard Hughes-like kinda character - apparently, he was huge with female readers at the time...

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Burbank, California—Judging by the juicy trailer shown at the ArcLight's new stadium-style theaters in Los Angeles' San Fernando Valley, Robert Downey Jr.'s hard rockin' Iron Man looks like it might be a special effects, comics showcase with brains, for a change. Downey—an extremely talented actor who shines in every role, especially Chaplin, Less Than Zero and the thoroughly benevolent Heart and Souls—steps into the metallic suit with his crackling rhythm and wit.

With direction from Jon Favreau, an actor and director who brought a childlike sense of wonder to the solid 2005 adaptation of Chris Van Allsburg's children's book, Zathura, and the year's best tag line—"Heroes aren't born, they're built"—Iron Man, featuring Jeff Bridges, Terrence Howard and, according to the Internet Movie Database (IMDb), Samuel L. Jackson, may be the summer's first popcorn smash. Here's wishing Mr. Downey, Jr. huge success; he is an actor of ability, he's worked hard and he deserves a moneymaker.
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Old 04-12-2008, 07:08 PM   #27
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As much as I would love for this movie to make $300 million,I just don't think it will. Domestically I think it will make around $200 million and I'm really pushing with that. WW I can honestly see it making around $350 million................around the samething the Dark Knight will make. Dis me now but I will bring this post back up in 3 months.

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Old 04-12-2008, 08:25 PM   #28
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The only real similarity I see between Tony and Bruce is their both billionaires, superheroes, and use hi-tech gadgets.
Actually that's the first impression (you forget mortal average joe) people get from both characters. Not the addiction or the anti-social behavior. Marvel is not making Tony Stark a xerox copy of Bruce Wayne, but because when people they have the same underlying concepts minus the details, it's inescapable people make the connections.

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Tony Stark is much more outgoing than Bruce Wayne, who abhors violence. Stark becomes a little less war-like once he dons the armor, but he's still somewhat a red stater.

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Old 04-12-2008, 10:03 PM   #30
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Whats interesting is that even though Iron Man is Marvel's Batman (or vice versa, i dont know which came first) they are really different, which is a good selling point. This can win the same numbers as Batman Begins, and probably more considering this film is aimed at a wider audience from kids to adults. So hopefully it will make more than 200 million domestic.
If it wins around 400 million it will get a sequel.


The name Batman is 100x bigger than the name Iron man.

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Old 04-12-2008, 10:52 PM   #31
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^Of course,speaking of Batman,I honestly can't understand how not even one Batman movie can make Spiderman box office numbers worldwide. I just find it very screwed up. I think there's a bit more Batman fans in the world than there are Spiderman fans in the world.


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^Actually, I completely disagree. Spidey pwns Batman everyday of the week in regards to the size of the fanbase. Batman also can't make Spidey numbers domestic either(at least so far). And I'm not a fan of either of them so I have no stake in this match-up.

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Probably cuase Batman is kind of dark while Spidey is all fun and Superman like. Even though the new Batman movie looks great, just not sure you can bring your kids to it. That Joker looks something serious. Even seeing the clip under the fear toxin is horror like!

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Personality-wise they’re different and that’s great. Iron Man is sunny with a twist, red and Marvel. Batman is somber, blue/black and DC Comics. Marvel isn’t looking for an exact replica of Batman even if they got it in Night Thrasher.
Marvel has a few Batman analogs. Night Thrasher can join Moon Knight and Black Panther in their club.

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The name Batman is 100x bigger than the name Iron man.
Yes, but with the movie it's only gonna be 80x bigger.

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^Actually, I completely disagree. Spidey pwns Batman everyday of the week in regards to the size of the fanbase. Batman also can't make Spidey numbers domestic either(at least so far). And I'm not a fan of either of them so I have no stake in this match-up.
But probably that's because Marvel fans congregate on a singular character - Spiderman. DC Comics have Batman and Superman to boast.

It'll be over soon, though. Iron Man, Hulk, and Wolverine will join Spiderman next on top of Marvel pedestal.

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Night Thrasher is the exact Batman

Parents murdered -> checked
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Leader -> checked

Moon Knight is a crazy dude in garb and Black Panther is a full time monarch.

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Old 04-13-2008, 06:46 AM   #38
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You guys missed the point of my post...

What I meant was that Iron Man has elements of other heroes but is pretty unique and that that is a good selling point for people looking for a new superhero series besides Batman and Spidey (which is, for now, done).

I still think that TDK will win more money than IM though, just because of all the circumstances surrounding that movie and all the hype it has. IM will still make around 400 million WW though.

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Old 04-13-2008, 08:09 AM   #39
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^Actually, I completely disagree. Spidey pwns Batman everyday of the week in regards to the size of the fanbase. Batman also can't make Spidey numbers domestic either(at least so far). And I'm not a fan of either of them so I have no stake in this match-up.
People forget that, but back in the days of the Burton movies and Forever, Batman was a HUGE franchise. The amount of merchandise the first one sold at the time was unbelievable. If you compare ticket sales, the first Batman got a Spider-Man like crowd, and the two other ones were bigger than any of the X-Men movies. Even B&R was a pretty profitable movie, even though it was considered a disappointment.

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I think I.M. will do pretty good Dom. Numbers, just not 300 good.
I think if it can do 160/170 dom. and about the same international, then it will be a success.

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Night Thrasher is the exact Batman

Parents murdered -> checked
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BP has all that.

He even lead the Fantastic Four recently.

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He's a rich white guy who is psychotic with delusions who has sidekicks, secret identities and gimmick vehicles. All he's missing is the uber-gadgets.

MK is crazier then Batman but Batman was never the poster child of mental health.

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and Black Panther is a full time monarch.
He still continues to be a super-hero despite that.

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I like how some loser blogger said he wouldn't see it because Iron Man is a second class hero , really? come on now, first of all I think he is a top tier hero and hasn't had a franchise yet because it would have been technically impossible to do so properly even 10 years ago.

And even if he is considered second class, does it take away from his appeal, from the range of the character and the effectiveness of him?
Does being a first class hero automatically make for a good movie, was this guy lined up for Batman & Robin?

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BP has all that.

He even lead the Fantastic Four recently.



He's a rich white guy who is psychotic with delusions who has sidekicks, secret identities and gimmick vehicles. All he's missing is the uber-gadgets.

MK is crazier then Batman but Batman was never the poster child of mental health.



He still continues to be a super-hero despite that.
I understand the Night Trasher comparison, and to an extent the Moon Knight one, but even if BP has a tragic history and fits the checklist, I find he diverges quite a lot from Batman.

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I like how some loser blogger said he wouldn't see it because Iron Man is a second class hero , really? come on now, first of all I think he is a top tier hero and hasn't had a franchise yet because it would have been technically impossible to do so properly even 10 years ago.

And even if he is considered second class, does it take away from his appeal, from the range of the character and the effectiveness of him?
Does being a first class hero automatically make for a good movie, was this guy lined up for Batman & Robin?
Iron Man has only been lax in the merchandising department, because his alter-ego wasn't always exactly kid-friendly. With his latest incarnations, not only is he top tier, but probably more complex than the others.

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I understand the Night Trasher comparison, and to an extent the Moon Knight one, but even if BP has a tragic history and fits the checklist, I find he diverges quite a lot from Batman.
BP, DD, IM and MK aren't complete duplicates of Batman but they are extremely close.

I don't know much about NT but I do know MK, DD, IM and BP.

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I understand the Night Trasher comparison, and to an extent the Moon Knight one, but even if BP has a tragic history and fits the checklist, I find he diverges quite a lot from Batman.
Exactly..........but you have some people who seem to see their favorite hero. Even claim to see Silver Surfer being like Superman....... It's just the nature of fanboys. If they want to see Batman in BP(which I don't get that at all) then let them. It's like trying to talk a KKK member that we all bleed red.........they just won't get it!

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Iron Man has only been lax in the merchandising department, because his alter-ego wasn't always exactly kid-friendly. With his latest incarnations, not only is he top tier, but probably more complex than the others.
Exactly, unless the guys definition of first class is having had a t.v. series and a bunch of movies, but it astounds me how narrow some people can be, not giving such a fabulous looking movie a chance.

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BP, DD, IM and MK aren't complete duplicates of Batman but they are extremely close.

I don't know much about NT but I do know MK, DD, IM and BP.
That's comics for you though, there are so many blatant rip offs from one side to the other that I forget who came up with the idea first, but I guess they couldn't copyright things like certain abilities or tragic histories...
Hey, add Iron Fist to your list, wasn't his father killed in front of him as well, and Danny Rand is/was a rich industrialist as well.

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That's comics for you though, there are so many blatant rip offs from one side to the other that I forget who came up with the idea first, but I guess they couldn't copyright things like certain abilities or tragic histories...
Agreed.

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Wasn't sure to add him or not. He has a lot in common with Batman but he doesn't mirror him as much like the others do. He's actually sane and happy from what comics I've read with him in it.

But you're right, he fits into the club, too.

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Exactly..........but you have some people who seem to see their favorite hero. Even claim to see Silver Surfer being like Superman....... It's just the nature of fanboys.
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Priest's BP series probably had something to do with that. T'Challa does have many differences from Batman but he has just as many similarities, too.

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Well if you want to be technical, a lot of things Batman got from BP as well. The Batman you see today is nowhere near the one that originally came out. The prep time thing actually came from BP. So they all copy from each other.

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