the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform

the_ultimate_evil · 04-12-2008, 08:31 AM

as anyone else heard about this basically if it passes it will allow anyone to use anybody's artwork( drawings, photos, sculpture, films, fan fiction etc) without permission or repercussions. What this bill is basically proposing is that unless a work is registered for copyright [at least $5 a work], the piece is automatically available for anyone's LEGAL use, while you do not get any money.

this could cause a lot of problems for anyone trying to get a start in any form of art or media

JokerJr. · 04-12-2008, 08:36 AM

even if they coyright it?

Ice-man · 04-12-2008, 08:45 AM

thats ****ed up and not at the same time, people are going to abuse this law for the wrong reasons.

The Spawn · 04-12-2008, 09:10 AM

http://www.nikondigital.org/dps/dps-v-4-08.htm

Captain Planet! · 04-12-2008, 09:16 AM

This is retarded.

SLVRSR4 · 04-12-2008, 10:02 AM

I hope this doesn't pass.

The Spawn · 04-12-2008, 10:14 AM

Watermark all yo ****.

lollycop · 04-12-2008, 10:22 AM

Man...I dont wanna be a artist now (singing voice)

Manic · 04-12-2008, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JokerJr.

even if they coyright it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_ultimate_evil

unless a work is registered for copyright

The post was basically 3 sentences long.

the_ultimate_evil · 04-12-2008, 03:25 PM

i look into and read a few more pieces and what i can gather is What it does do is put in place a system of due diligence to use art & works orphaned by a copyrighting entity. In order to use an orphaned art, you have to go through a lengthy process to make ABSOLUTELY sure that the art is in play and not currently owned.

personally i still think it's bull and will be twisted beyond belief, going to have to rethink my portfolio site

Mr. Wooden Alligator · 04-12-2008, 03:42 PM

Christopher Paolini should be bowing down to the dwarf god right about now.

BlackLantern · 04-12-2008, 03:58 PM

well considering most of you probably pirate movies off the internet why are you complaining? maybe its because it puts you on the other side of the table this time?

the_ultimate_evil · 04-12-2008, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackLantern

well considering most of you probably pirate movies off the internet why are you complaining? maybe its because it puts you on the other side of the table this time?

nice way to tar everyone with a single brush

Reptile · 04-12-2008, 04:07 PM

This is stupid, just stupid

BlackLantern · 04-12-2008, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_ultimate_evil

nice way to tar everyone with a single brush

I said "most", not "all"...and I don't think I'm wrong...

the_ultimate_evil · 04-12-2008, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackLantern

I said "most", not "all"...and I don't think I'm wrong...

your not wrong, i don't pirate films or music and i don't condone it. but a bill like this will only effect the single artist, who can not afford the full copyright route, under the current basis if i take a photography i own the copyright to it. but on this if i don't pay to copy then anyone can use it how they like without leaving me any form of comeback, and all they have to say is they could not contact the artist.

sadly this is going to stop a lot of up and coming artists from doing any sort of living based on there work

BlackLantern · 04-12-2008, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_ultimate_evil

sadly this is going to stop a lot of up and coming artists from doing any sort of living based on there work

It would certainly change the dynamic of how an artist would get their work out.

BMM · 04-12-2008, 06:02 PM

...so basically this bill is a roundabout way of forcing people to pay to have their work registered in order to ensure copyright, otherwise it's fair game for anyone to use (assuming the creator of said work can't be 'reasonably' identified)???

the_ultimate_evil · 04-13-2008, 03:21 PM

http://maradydd.livejournal.com/374886.html

another link explaining some of the more confusing aspects, it seems that with so many views and opinions its getting blown out of proportion

Figs · 04-13-2008, 05:38 PM

I think it's bulls*** that losers try to take others work as their own but this will hopefully wake up the people that are producing the art.

A friend of mine a month or two ago said someone took her drawings as their own, she was pissed to say the least.

This bill should pass, it would be impossible for the government/state laws to regulate something like this with sites like these as well as people putting up their stuff on Myspace.

It will hopefully wake them up to say "Hey! If you don't want someone stealing your s*** either pay the cheap copyright fee or DON'T POST IT ON PUBLIC FORUMS LIKE A MORON!"

If the people don't think it's fair that they need to get their stuff copyrighted then they need to save as many brain cells as possible to hopefully have the sense to only show their stuff to trusted individuals and not on open sites or forums.

BlackLantern · 04-13-2008, 05:53 PM

and maybe it might stop every Tom, Dick, and Harry from thinking they are entitled to make a living as an artist because "their stuff is so good its only a matter of time till they are discovered"

The Spawn · 04-13-2008, 05:54 PM

I was waiting for someone for this bill to post.

William_C · 04-13-2008, 06:02 PM

I'm taking all my stuff off deviantart

Warhammer · 04-13-2008, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackLantern

well considering most of you probably pirate movies off the internet why are you complaining? maybe its because it puts you on the other side of the table this time?

What does pirating movies have to do with this thread? This thread is about a bill (who even proposed it?!) that, if passed, can make steal another's artwork and make it their own. When people pirate movies, they aren't re-releasing them with their own cuts of it, or putting their name in it, or so I thought...

BlackLantern · 04-13-2008, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warhammer

What does pirating movies have to do with this thread? This thread is about a bill (who even proposed it?!) that, if passed, can make steal another's artwork and make it their own. When people pirate movies, they aren't re-releasing them with their own cuts of it, or putting their name in it, or so I thought...

It is quite similar...its simply different instances of property being taken in an unscrupulous, and in the case of pirating movies, unlawful manner. I know its a stretch for some here but YES pirating movies is a federal offense...this bill could basically make it legal for individuals to cull the internet and pllaces like this for art, fanfiction, and what have you. So it would be legal piracy, for lack of a better term. My point basically was pointing out that its quite funny for people to be extremely opposed to this bill when they are probably stealing film and music from the internet.

04-12-2008, 08:31 AM	#1
the_ultimate_evil CURSE YOU GIN MONKEY. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: belfast northern ireland Posts: 19,022	the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform as anyone else heard about this basically if it passes it will allow anyone to use anybody's artwork( drawings, photos, sculpture, films, fan fiction etc) without permission or repercussions. What this bill is basically proposing is that unless a work is registered for copyright [at least $5 a work], the piece is automatically available for anyone's LEGAL use, while you do not get any money. this could cause a lot of problems for anyone trying to get a start in any form of art or media __________________ And so I walk, into the searing light which banishes all darkness, surrendering my face and form to atoms of dust, seeking the true darkness of peace,the cool shadows of eternity and the unknown fate of nothingness To view my site blog dev art twitter

04-12-2008, 08:36 AM	#2
JokerJr. Banned User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,285	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform even if they coyright it?

04-12-2008, 08:45 AM	#3
Ice-man Side-Kick Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: new york Posts: 1,867	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform thats **ed up and not at the same time, people are going to abuse this law for the wrong reasons. __________________ "To think for yourself you must question authority and learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable, open-mindedness; chaotic, confused, vulnerability to inform yourself. Think for yourself... Question authority" -PS3 ID: BurntSk8a-**

04-12-2008, 09:10 AM	#4
The Spawn Better Than You Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 19,498	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform http://www.nikondigital.org/dps/dps-v-4-08.htm __________________ You all laugh at me because I'm different...I laugh because you're all the same

04-12-2008, 10:02 AM	#6
SLVRSR4 Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,256	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform I hope this doesn't pass.

04-12-2008, 10:14 AM	#7
The Spawn Better Than You Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 19,498	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform Watermark all yo **. __________________ You all laugh at me because I'm different...I laugh because you're all the same**

04-12-2008, 10:22 AM	#8
lollycop Banned User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Liberty City Posts: 1,627	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform Man...I dont wanna be a artist now (singing voice)

04-12-2008, 03:25 PM	#10
the_ultimate_evil CURSE YOU GIN MONKEY. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: belfast northern ireland Posts: 19,022	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform i look into and read a few more pieces and what i can gather is What it does do is put in place a system of due diligence to use art & works orphaned by a copyrighting entity. In order to use an orphaned art, you have to go through a lengthy process to make ABSOLUTELY sure that the art is in play and not currently owned. personally i still think it's bull and will be twisted beyond belief, going to have to rethink my portfolio site __________________ And so I walk, into the searing light which banishes all darkness, surrendering my face and form to atoms of dust, seeking the true darkness of peace,the cool shadows of eternity and the unknown fate of nothingness To view my site blog dev art twitter

04-12-2008, 03:42 PM	#11
Mr. Wooden Alligator The White Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 8,797	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform Christopher Paolini should be bowing down to the dwarf god right about now. __________________ Don't let the death of the three horses be in vain-see The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey.

04-12-2008, 03:58 PM	#12
BlackLantern Banned User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 77,196	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform well considering most of you probably pirate movies off the internet why are you complaining? maybe its because it puts you on the other side of the table this time?

04-12-2008, 04:07 PM	#14
Reptile Side-Kick Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,082	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform This is stupid, just stupid __________________ Wake up or die, My beast within! Do I still have my fangs? are my claws keen enough? Concentrate on the moment of outburst. there's nothing else but to win or lose. you've stepped into street fighting, and there's no escape! FIGHTING IS MY NATURE

04-12-2008, 06:02 PM	#18
BMM Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 6,100	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform ...so basically this bill is a roundabout way of forcing people to pay to have their work registered in order to ensure copyright, otherwise it's fair game for anyone to use (assuming the creator of said work can't be 'reasonably' identified)???

04-13-2008, 03:21 PM	#19
the_ultimate_evil CURSE YOU GIN MONKEY. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: belfast northern ireland Posts: 19,022	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform http://maradydd.livejournal.com/374886.html another link explaining some of the more confusing aspects, it seems that with so many views and opinions its getting blown out of proportion __________________ And so I walk, into the searing light which banishes all darkness, surrendering my face and form to atoms of dust, seeking the true darkness of peace,the cool shadows of eternity and the unknown fate of nothingness To view my site blog dev art twitter

04-13-2008, 05:53 PM	#21
BlackLantern Banned User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 77,196	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform and maybe it might stop every Tom, Dick, and Harry from thinking they are entitled to make a living as an artist because "their stuff is so good its only a matter of time till they are discovered"

04-13-2008, 05:54 PM	#22
The Spawn Better Than You Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 19,498	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform I was waiting for someone for this bill to post. __________________ You all laugh at me because I'm different...I laugh because you're all the same

04-13-2008, 06:02 PM	#23
William_C StylelessKnave Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,890	Re: the orphan works bill, basiclly the right to steal any artform I'm taking all my stuff off deviantart __________________ Styleless Knave

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