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Old 06-02-2008, 04:15 PM   #1
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Default Does 'Hancock' ruin the 'drunken hero' angle?

since apparently drunkenness/falling out of favor appears to be the big part of Hancock, would the public positively respond to the Iron Man sequel delving into this territory, or would it be "been there, seen that"? uh-oh.. maybe they should rethink 'demon in a bottle'...

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Old 06-05-2008, 12:05 PM   #2
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Just posted on the Jon Favreau on Iron Man 2 thread saying as much:-

Favreau basically expresses his concern that Hancock's 'drunken superhero angle' will overshadow the 'Demon in a bottle' storyline, and wonders whether to include it in the sequel.

It is a shame though that Hancock has possibly made a few people in charge of the sequel wary of using the 'Demon in a Bottle' storyline; it kinda reminds me of the whole 'Incredibles/Fantastic Four family with superpowers' thing.

The filmakers were scared that the average moviegoer would think that FF was ripping off the Incredibles; being that the Incredibles movie was out 1st - when it was totally the other way around.

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I don't see too much of a cause for concern. Hancock looks to be more of a comedy whereas IM's 'Demon' storyline could be played much more seriously. Also, Hancock has his superpowers whether he's drunk or not. And I doubt someone's going to be filling in for him and eventually going crazy while he's on the sauce. There's plenty to differentiate the two.

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I'm not sure if it will. The way I understand it, Hancock is a Comedy/Drama action flick where as IM II will be action. And lets face it, RDJ is 10x's the actor that Will Smith is

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Just posted on the Jon Favreau on Iron Man 2 thread saying as much:-

Favreau basically expresses his concern that Hancock's 'drunken superhero angle' will overshadow the 'Demon in a bottle' storyline, and wonders whether to include it in the sequel.

It is a shame though that Hancock has possibly made a few people in charge of the sequel wary of using the 'Demon in a Bottle' storyline; it kinda reminds me of the whole 'Incredibles/Fantastic Four family with superpowers' thing.

The filmakers were scared that the average moviegoer would think that FF was ripping off the Incredibles; being that the Incredibles movie was out 1st - when it was totally the other way around.

That's why I'm getting sick of these wannabe superhero films. The Incredibles, Super Ex-girlfriend and now Hancock.

Primarily with Incredibles and now Hancock they steal ideas from other existing superheroes that are going to have a movie come out in the near future and use it for theirs to get credit.

I don't think it will ruin it for Iron Man 2 but it definetly is horse**** and I wish these losers would just leave the superhero films for the actual comic book properties.

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Old 06-05-2008, 03:53 PM   #6
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I haven't seen the film yet, so I don't know. But, from what I gather from the previews, it looks like he is a drunk (homeless?) superhero who sobers up when others (Bateman) confront him with the realities of his situation and who he is.


I can't see how that would hurt a possible "Stark falls heavily into alcohol (possibly based on a Pepper/Happy relationship, possibly based on an inability to stop the Mandarin, possibily based on fame and fortune going even further to his head), Rhodes takes over for him, then Stark has to battle personal demons before stepping back into the suit (with Rhodes possible standing in his way, with kind of a "Responsibility should only go to the responsible" mindset) before a final confront with Mandarin" storyline. Hancock seem to be a "drunk sobers up" tale, while Iron Man 2 would be more of a "man with a responsibility goes down a dark alley before getting his life back on track" story.

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Part of it depends on how successful Hancock is. If it fails to make much of a critical and/or financial splash, it may not matter. If it does okay, then it still may not matter.

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Its good to see that Favreau is looking at the story though...

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I think regardless of Hancock stealing the idea of a drunken superhero, IM2 should stay the course with the DOTB storyline. Besides, IM2 will have a serious tone whereas Hancock is slanted toward comedy/action route. Don't change the sequel just because of a Will Smith movie.

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I am of the opinion that the entirety of the Demon in a Bottle story doesn't need to be brought to screen.

Show Tony, not Tony as Iron Man, on a drunken bender and the aftermath. The most iconic image of DiaB is Tony looking at his ragged face in a mirror amongst empty bottles and realising his situation.

The big message should be that while Tony has changed morally since the first film in regards to how he runs his business, he also needs to accountable for himself in his personal life because he is the force behind Iron Man.

Throw in Mandarin, Fin Fang Foom, maybe War Machine, and you've got a movie.

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That's why I'm getting sick of these wannabe superhero films. The Incredibles, Super Ex-girlfriend and now Hancock.

Primarily with Incredibles and now Hancock they steal ideas from other existing superheroes that are going to have a movie come out in the near future and use it for theirs to get credit.

I don't think it will ruin it for Iron Man 2 but it definetly is horse**** and I wish these losers would just leave the superhero films for the actual comic book properties.
Figs... please... you snooze you loose... Iron Man could have been done years ago... these other studios are going to capitalize while the genre is still strong. They have every right to do there own thing. Is it a cause for concern? Absolutely. Hancock won't be just a comedy either. But frankly IM 2 doesn't have to be that overthetop. Is it a rehash? Yeah... you still have to make it light if you are going to appeal to the masses. That said... they can still take it to a deep personal level with this. Plus the fact that you have other characters that can carry the film while Downey is dealing with his problems with a guy like War Machine and Mandarin of course. They don't have to build their story around alcoholism... but touch up on it and try to make it different. It is unfortunate that Hancock beat it to the punch. That said Hancock looks great and it will probably make a **** load of money this year.

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Figs... please... you snooze you loose... Iron Man could have been done years ago... these other studios are going to capitalize while the genre is still strong. They have every right to do there own thing. Is it a cause for concern? Absolutely. Hancock won't be just a comedy either. But frankly IM 2 doesn't have to be that overthetop. Is it a rehash? Yeah... you still have to make it light if you are going to appeal to the masses. That said... they can still take it to a deep personal level with this. Plus the fact that you have other characters that can carry the film while Downey is dealing with his problems with a guy like War Machine and Mandarin of course. They don't have to build their story around alcoholism... but touch up on it and try to make it different. It is unfortunate that Hancock beat it to the punch. That said Hancock looks great and it will probably make a **** load of money this year.

Hancock is a cheeseball over the top CGI fest with no depth or substance. Outside of Will smith it looks like crap IM2 with a Demon in a bottle storyline would be deep and thought provoking, especially if they follow Iron man vol 1 115-128. I still get worked up reading those issues. Powerful stuff.RDJ has the acting ability and Faverau is a solid director; IM2 could be in the league of LOTR and Batman Begins in terms of quaulity. Hancock willl be forgotten by August and Will Smith will have his first flop since Wild Wild West.

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IM has already matched LOTR and surpassed BB in quality.

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IM has already matched LOTR and surpassed BB in quality.
True. IM2 could be an oscar contender. it has the actors and the director. With the DIAB storyline it coulde be the definitve superhero movie of the decade.

James woods for Hammer? I always thought it should be Anthony Hopkins. Throw in Monica Belluci as Whitney frost.

Anyway most people will forget about Hancock by July 8.

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IM has already matched LOTR and surpassed BB in quality.
True. IM2 could be an oscar contender. it has the actors and the director. With the DIAB storyline it coulde be the definitve superhero movie of the decade.

James woods for Hammer? I always thought it should be Anthony Hopkins. Throw in Monica Belluci as Whitney frost.

Anyway most people will forget about Hancock by July 8 With the Dark knight coming out and it being Heath Ledger's final performance I think Mr. Smith will have his first flop in ten years.

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True. IM2 could be an oscar contender. it has the actors and the director. With the DIAB storyline it coulde be the definitve superhero movie of the decade.

James woods for Hammer? I always thought it should be Anthony Hopkins. Throw in Monica Belluci as Whitney frost.

Anyway most people will forget about Hancock by July 8 With the Dark knight coming out and it being Heath Ledger's final performance I think Mr. Smith will have his first flop in ten years.
C'mon - I think he'd definatlely suit the bill.


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James Woods as Justin Hammer would be sick.

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Hancock is a cheeseball over the top CGI fest with no depth or substance. Outside of Will smith it looks like crap IM2 with a Demon in a bottle storyline would be deep and thought provoking, especially if they follow Iron man vol 1 115-128. I still get worked up reading those issues. Powerful stuff.RDJ has the acting ability and Faverau is a solid director; IM2 could be in the league of LOTR and Batman Begins in terms of quaulity. Hancock willl be forgotten by August and Will Smith will have his first flop since Wild Wild West.
If you guys want to trash Hancock because it might be taking some luster away from the characters we actually care about feel free.. I'd like to think most of us are better than that. The bottom line is that movie looks very entertaining and it will easily be in the top five gross this year. I'd wish they would have released that some other date. It's too close to Hulk and it will eat B.O there... but the bottom line is it still looks like a HR with the perfect mix of comedy and action.

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That's why I'm getting sick of these wannabe superhero films. The Incredibles, Super Ex-girlfriend and now Hancock.

Primarily with Incredibles and now Hancock they steal ideas from other existing superheroes that are going to have a movie come out in the near future and use it for theirs to get credit.

I don't think it will ruin it for Iron Man 2 but it definetly is horse**** and I wish these losers would just leave the superhero films for the actual comic book properties.
The Incredibles was a great movie and Fantastic Four was awful.

Enough of the crybaby nonsense. What did Super Ex-girlfriend ripoff? It was a dumb movie and it bombed. No one saw it.

Comic book properties don't have patents over super heroes. It's ridiculously stupid to say we shouldn't see amazing movies like THE INCREDIBLES because it upsets you that the comic book movies are only allowed to have super heroes in them.

That's like saying we could never get a movie like Robocop and leave it to the comics.

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since apparently drunkenness/falling out of favor appears to be the big part of Hancock, would the public positively respond to the Iron Man sequel delving into this territory, or would it be "been there, seen that"? uh-oh.. maybe they should rethink 'demon in a bottle'...

From the screening reports ive read hancock aint much of a threat to any super hero movie this year its a comedy and pretty much equal to my super ex girlfriend and that movie was crap

the demon in a bottle is a very interesting story line and should be introduced the only problem i see is the whole avengers thing would a druken Iron Man really fit in with them cause if i was cap id be like wth

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The Incredibles was a great movie and Fantastic Four was awful.

Enough of the crybaby nonsense. What did Super Ex-girlfriend ripoff? It was a dumb movie and it bombed. No one saw it.

Comic book properties don't have patents over super heroes. It's ridiculously stupid to say we shouldn't see amazing movies like THE INCREDIBLES because it upsets you that the comic book movies are only allowed to have super heroes in them.

That's like saying we could never get a movie like Robocop and leave it to the comics.

It's not crybaby nonsense...and Incredibles was extremely overrated.

Robocop is a bad comparison...it was it's own thing. Last time I checked their weren't any comics based on a cop who was part man part machine...before they made the Robocop comics at least.

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It's not crybaby nonsense...and Incredibles was extremely overrated.

Robocop is a bad comparison...it was it's own thing. Last time I checked their weren't any comics based on a cop who was part man part machine...before they made the Robocop comics at least.
Um... it is when you are complaining how Incredibles ruined Fantastic Four.

Tim Story and Fox ruined it. Just cause the Incredibles did a family super team better, doesn't mean it stole what would have been a good Fantastic Four movie.

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Um... it is when you are complaining how Incredibles ruined Fantastic Four.

Tim Story and Fox ruined it. Just cause the Incredibles did a family super team better, doesn't mean it stole what would have been a good Fantastic Four movie.

I never said it ruined FF. Show me...right now...where in my post I said that.

I agree about FF, it was ruined because they got a **** director who should stick to making urban films like Barbershop, and it was under Fox.

It's just I think if these studios are going to cash in on comic films success they should come up with their own original ideas.


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I never said it ruined FF. Show me...right now...where in my post I said that.

I agree about FF, it was ruined because they got a **** director who should stick to making urban films like Carwash, and it was under Fox.

It's just I think if these studios are going to cash in on comic films success they should come up with their own original ideas.
Did you you ever think that you could take Fantastic Four and Watchmen and turn it into a great superhero and kids movie?

That's pretty original right there.

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If you say so Gilpesh.

I didn't find it all that original, it was entertaining but no where near as awesome and perfect as so many people made it out to be, The Incredibles, not FF.

FF I probably liked less.

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