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Old 06-07-2008, 05:15 PM   #1
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I immediately brushed this off, knowing that the first film had no interest in established mythology. I assumed Bay would just keep building on his own, new Transformers story, and the pre-strike plot details I heard backed me up.

Egg, meet face.

Yesterday I heard from a trustworthy source with access to the production that all of my assumptions were wrong. The Fallen of the title, I was told, is in fact the Fallen of the comics.

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Old 06-07-2008, 05:25 PM   #2
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cool
here's what it says.

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The Transformers wiki provides backstory:

At the dawn of time, Primus created new life, the 13 original Transformers, to crew his planetary form into battle against his eternal nemesis Unicron. One of these 13, his original name now lost to the mists of time, turned against his siblings, his creator, and his universe, and betrayed them all.

...this guardian of entropy became obsessed with the darker side of chaos and death, and in the black place these urges led him, the betrayer found a new god, more suited to his nature. He turned against Primus and became the Fallen. Now he is a being of power, darkness, and absolute dedication to Unicron.

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Around 6.5 million years ago, a test of the experimental "space bridge" matter-transport system on Cybertron liberated the Fallen from his prison, and he materialised on Cybertron, where he quickly recruited the Chaos Trinity, three mystically-inclined Decepticons - Bludgeon, Mindwipe and Bugly - into his employ. Abducting Transformers that he identified as possessing "genetic potential" within their sparks - Grimlock, Blitzwing, Jetfire and Hot Spot - the Fallen planned to use their energies to awaken Primus from his self-imposed slumber, thereby alerting Unicron to his location, allowing the world-eater to renew hostilities with his old enemy. An attack from combined Autobot and Decepticon forces led by Shockwave and Prowl disrupted his plans, and Primus himself reached out and promptly destroyed the Fallen.


UNICRON??? Primus??? oh....oh yes....

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Old 06-07-2008, 05:34 PM   #3
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UNICRON??? Primus??? oh....oh yes....
This is going to be epic. The first one was small time. This is going to be big!

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Old 06-07-2008, 06:35 PM   #5
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Ok, I just posted it there as well.

I just thought this kinda deserved it's own thread, 'seeing it's rather big news.

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Old 06-07-2008, 06:43 PM   #6
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Old 06-07-2008, 06:47 PM   #7
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So... it's the Bible with robots?

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Old 06-07-2008, 06:52 PM   #8
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Old 06-07-2008, 07:44 PM   #9
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I hope this works. Bay is not known for directing intricate plots, like this 'Fallen' arc seems to be. Hopefully this is not a stand alone story as it seems too big for just one movie. In other words, i hope it runs into TF3. There was an early rumor that TF2 would end with a cliff hanger...i hope the rumor is true.

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Sounds cool, and since Jetfire has been confirmed i wouldn't be surprised if its partially true. But i won't believe it till an official synposis is released or more information is leaked verifying. It seems lately too much information has gotten out, so im going to really question everything.

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If Bay is going in the direction of the Fallen then I tip my hat to him, I find it wonderful that they are referring to the comics for source material, and the War Within series was a kickarse series so this makes me all the more excited. Oh god imagine if Bludgeon is in this as well *fangasm*.

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Sounds cool, and since Jetfire has been confirmed i wouldn't be surprised if its partially true. But i won't believe it till an official synposis is released or more information is leaked verifying. It seems lately too much information has gotten out, so im going to really question everything.
WHEN WAS JETFIRE CONFIRMED?????!!!!!!!! .

And i'll have to order War Within now!

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WHEN WAS JETFIRE CONFIRMED?????!!!!!!!! .
I believe his name was on the call-sheet. But like i stated before these names could be 'place holders'.

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^Well I hope its true, Jetfire is awesome in the comics, and bigger than Prime, though not quite as powerful as Prime or Ultra Magnus.

Autobot air support is needed

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So... it's the Bible with robots?
Not really, more like Zurvanism with robots. Primus and Unicron being opposed but equal and all. The original 13 transformers, along with the covenant, are like angels.

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Is WW available in TPB form in the UK does anyone know?

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Look under collections


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Not really, more like Zurvanism with robots. Primus and Unicron being opposed but equal and all. The original 13 transformers, along with the covenant, are like angels.
Basically that's what I was saying.

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Do you really think that Michael Bay is going delve that deep into Transformers lore....almost seems too much to go from the first movie to this....

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Is WW available in TPB form in the UK does anyone know?
War Within, being a Dreamwave comic, was rereleased by IDW in TPB, there are two volumes the first I think is just called War Within but the second is called War Within: The Dark Ages, the dark ages deals with The Fallen story arc.

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Do you really think that Michael Bay is going delve that deep into Transformers lore....almost seems too much to go from the first movie to this....
My thoughts exactly, i dont know i'm not sure if i believe this news.

I suppose we'll see soon enough wont we!

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wow, this is epic....real good call...

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War Within, being a Dreamwave comic, was rereleased by IDW in TPB, there are two volumes the first I think is just called War Within but the second is called War Within: The Dark Ages, the dark ages deals with The Fallen story arc.
Its only available from Amazon on import, which will be very expensive, so i'll wait and see were this leads before paying out for it.

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In a way, it does make sense to go this epic. Think about it. The first film had Megatron and the Decepitcons wanting to take over Earth (no matter how shoddy the script elements were). You can't go that route in the sequel, even with a new and improved Megatron.

You have to go beyond the Autobots and Decepitcons fighting it out over Earth. The other logical step is to have them fight it out over Cybertron but that doesn't work for a live action film because it would cost way too much and you take away the human element, especially Shia and Megan.

Going this route and possibly introducting an entity (Unicorn) that could devour the goals of not only the Autobots and our human characters, but the Decepitcons as well, is absolutely the way to go.

The fate of our world needs a much bigger threat than just having Megatron and his boys fighting it out with the Prime and the Autobots.

Introducing the herald to Unicron (The Fallen) and the possiblity of even introducing the first of the Transformers (Primus) is a wonderful idea.

I know alot of fans don't want Unicron but Bay and the writers aimed way too high with the first film with the stakes of that film. They really have no choice but to go the Unicron route...which opens up a whole host of story threads (The death of Prime, the rise of Galvatron, the rise of Rodimus Prime, etc...)

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