The SuperHeroHype Forums  

Go Back   The SuperHeroHype Forums > Iron Man > Iron Man 2

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-16-2008, 02:45 PM   #1
spideymouse
Side-Kick
 
spideymouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,506
Default Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel instead of Iron Man 2?

note: I've posted this in some of the comment boxes in the main superherohype website, but i wanted to get some feedback.

What do you all think of an "Iron Man vs. Hulk" movie to be a 2010 "joint sequel" for the two 2008 movies instead of just Iron Man 2? I know it's only shown up in the comics a few times, but how cool would the Hulkbuster armor look on the big screen? Also, Robert Downey Jr. and Ed Norton squaring off and headlining an amazing supporting cast of Gwyneth Paltrow, Liv Tyler, Terrence Howard, William Hurt, Tim Blake Nelson, Ty Burrell, and Sammy Jackson would rock our socks off.

An Iron Man vs. Hulk movie in 2010 (or 2011; i totally think they should take more time to make this movies good) would totally gear up even more for The Avengers, it would solve some problems of where these two movies left off and each hero's lack of great villains (see below). It would also better concretely establish Marvel movies as a universe, as that is the trend so far. It would also provide some material and history for the Avengers movie (imagine Hulk and Iron Man looking at each other with rolled eyes, "here we go again" or something).

Problem with Iron Man solo sequel (lack of great villains):
While Iron Man lacks great villains besides the Mandarin, his relationship with the U.S. government and S.H.I.E.L.D. (especially these days in comics) and his taking responsibility for his role in military activities is a much more intriguing aspect of his character. You'd think that the
Nick Fury post-credits scene necessitates Sam Jackson's reappearance in Iron Man 2.

Problem with Hulk solo sequel (lack of good villains, continuity):
The new Hulk movie left us anticipating a perhaps smarter or controlled Hulk (gray Mr. Fixit?) and The Leader, but what many and most moviegoers will remember is Stark's involvement with General Ross at the end. If a Hulk sequel does not involve Iron Man, most people will go, "WTF where's Iron Man?"
Also, like Iron Man, Hulk also does not boast many great villains (besides the obvious future involvement of the Leader).

Problem with movie continuity (Iron Man 2 before The Avengers):
There are now two Iron Man clips directly referencing the Avengers: the post-credits scene in Iron Man, and the last scene in The Incredible Hulk. It follows continuity that an Iron Man sequel would be about what happens after Nick Fury approaches him about the Avenger Initiative and what happens after his conversation with Ross about "putting a team together."
In other words, can you have an Iron Man sequel that doesn't have anything to do with the Avengers after those two clips? If they went off and did a Mandarin, War Machine, Armor Wars, or Demon in a Bottle story, moviegoers would wonder, "what about the Avenger Initiative that Sam Jackson talked about after the credits?" or "what about that team he was talking about at the end of the Hulk movie?"

Side note: Of course, we don't know the timeframe of when the Ross/Stark conversation happens. If it takes place after the Iron Man sequel and right before the Avengers movie, then all this doesn't matter.

In the meanwhile, I'm speculating that the timeframe is this: Iron Man -> Nick Fury scene -> Incredible Hulk & Ross/Stark conversation -> Iron Man 2 -> Avengers
...The odd one out is Iron Man 2 unless it somehow gears up for the Avengers even more; an Iron Man/Hulk joint sequel would accomplish just that.

...

I think a good plot for this movie would be to go right off of the last scene of TIH with Stark challenging Ross to also take responsibility for his own career but also offering his help. What's intriguing about Iron Man vs. Hulk is that they're both heroes but sort of on opposite sides of the military (Stark approached Ross at the end, not Banner). Stark, Ross (Army), Rhodes (Air Force or War Machine), and S.H.I.E.L.D. could enlist the help of Sam Sterns (the ambitious but not-yet Leader) and Doc Samson to work on a way to fight or abate any threat the Hulk might pose. Meanwhile, Banner is just trying to lead a semi-normal life, perhaps doubling as the gray Joe Fixit version or something. Iron Man and co. find and capture Banner, each with different intentions: Ross and Sterns want exploit him, Doc Samson wants to analyze and treat him, and Stark and S.H.I.E.L.D. want to recruit him. Cue Stark/Banner debates and arguments--i would love to see Downey and Banner totally go at it: "Mr. Stark, don't make me angry, you wouldn't like it when--" "Oh, calm down and have a drink."
Consequently, Hulk wouldn't be too thrilled about everything and maybe he's angry about Banner's ability to control him. Cue huge Hulk/Iron Man/Army battle, which comes to a standstill and leaves Stark wondering if he's on the right side. Sterns uses this opportunity to try and take over the government as The Leader, with some dubious plan to gain power (possibly using Banner's blood samples and/or Iron Man's technology to create an army of Hulkbusters?), and Hulk and Iron Man have to team up to fight them off and defeat the Leader.

Okay, after re-reading everything I wrote, I realize I'm not much of a writer, and although the idea may be cool, I don't know if there's a good enough story for it. Also, any Iron Man sequel begs for a whole lot more of RDJ than I've given it in my plot synopsis.

Anyway, what do you all think?


EDIT: Look, other fans also want to see something like this happen, and agree that Hulk and Iron Man generally have crappy villains: http://forums.superherohype.com/sear...archid=4318990


Last edited by spideymouse; 06-16-2008 at 04:16 PM.
spideymouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2008, 02:48 PM   #2
DACrowe
Side-Kick
 
DACrowe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 26,036
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

No.

DACrowe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2008, 02:53 PM   #3
artemzz
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

I don't see that happening because of the schedules made already for upcoming marvel movies.

  Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2008, 02:59 PM   #4
spideymouse
Side-Kick
 
spideymouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,506
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

Quote:
Originally Posted by artemzz View Post
I don't see that happening because of the schedules made already for upcoming marvel movies.
Well, i meant that it would replace Iron Man 2, which is already scheduled for 2010. Since Hulk 2 wasn't announced along with Iron Man 2 (probably because it hasn't proven to be a hit yet), why not make Iron Man 2 an Iron Man/Hulk joint sequel?

spideymouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2008, 03:22 PM   #5
artemzz
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

double post sorry.

  Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2008, 03:23 PM   #6
artemzz
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

Quote:
Originally Posted by spideymouse View Post
Well, i meant that it would replace Iron Man 2, which is already scheduled for 2010. Since Hulk 2 wasn't announced along with Iron Man 2 (probably because it hasn't proven to be a hit yet), why not make Iron Man 2 an Iron Man/Hulk joint sequel?
So far Hulk has made $55 million opening weekend. I see Hulk making about the same as Iron Man including DVD's that are going to be released with the extra 70 minutes that were cut from the movie. So Hulk will probably go on to be a success and go for a sequel. There were many hints during the movie that gave way for a sequel. I don't see it happening but the idea of Hulk and Iron man joint sequel sounds like it could happen because of the way the Hulk ended. Stark could build his Hulkbuster suit and use it to try to stop the Hulk. And then just get destroyed by the Hulk in the process.

  Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2008, 03:35 PM   #7
spideymouse
Side-Kick
 
spideymouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,506
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

Quote:
Originally Posted by artemzz View Post
So far Hulk has made $55 million opening weekend. I see Hulk making about the same as Iron Man including DVD's that are going to be released with the extra 70 minutes that were cut from the movie. So Hulk will probably go on to be a success and go for a sequel. There were many hints during the movie that gave way for a sequel.
Right. What I'm saying is that people will be wanting to see Hulk again, and soon. People want to see Iron Man again, and that demand will be met. It's because of Iron Man's success that Marvel scheduled Iron Man 2 before The Avengers. Going by the same logic, if Hulk is hugely successful, Marvel should also schedule Hulk 2 before the Avengers. Will they? Probably not, because that's a really packed summer with Thor--however, the demand will be there. And a solution would be a joint sequel.

In a few years, people will look back at Marvel movies and link Iron Man with Hulk in the summer of 2008. The two are connected, not just by their promixity of release, but also as the Marvel Studios' first two self-produced movies and by their revolutionary crossovers. As I said in my first post, people will remember Tony Stark from this Hulk movie and expect him in a Hulk sequel (unless Hulk 2 comes after Avengers, which it might).

spideymouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2008, 03:49 PM   #8
spideymouse
Side-Kick
 
spideymouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,506
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

Quote:
Originally Posted by artemzz View Post
I don't see it happening but the idea of Hulk and Iron man joint sequel sounds like it could happen because of the way the Hulk ended. Stark could build his Hulkbuster suit and use it to try to stop the Hulk. And then just get destroyed by the Hulk in the process.
I agree with you, artemzz--it's unlikely that they would do this. But how cool would that be?

My only concern is how can Iron Man 2 only be an Iron Man story after the Nick Fury post-credits scene in Iron Man and the end scene in The Incredible Hulk? A solution has been described by what most people have been saying in these threads--a whole lot of cameos--but I would prefer a bigger stepping stone towards the Avengers movie, since both movies point in that direction.


Last edited by spideymouse; 06-16-2008 at 04:11 PM.
spideymouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2008, 04:11 PM   #9
artemzz
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

You are absolutely right. Having a Ironman/Hulk movie together would kick some serious ass. The way TIH ended gave way that Stark could try to help Ross to stop Hulk. Stark could be fighting Hulk with his Mark III suit and some inventions of his and towards the final fight scene we see the HulkBuster suit ready for action.

  Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2008, 04:22 PM   #10
spideymouse
Side-Kick
 
spideymouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,506
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

Quote:
Originally Posted by artemzz View Post
You are absolutely right. Having a Ironman/Hulk movie together would kick some serious ass. The way TIH ended gave way that Stark could try to help Ross to stop Hulk. Stark could be fighting Hulk with his Mark III suit and some inventions of his and towards the final fight scene we see the HulkBuster suit ready for action.
What if Stearns and Stark worked on a team of Hulkbusters using Iron Man's technology (which could lead to an Armor Wars storyline for a later Iron Man sequel) and Banner's blood samples? Then Hulk and Iron Man would have to fight them when Stearns goes rogue, reveals himself as the Leader, and tries to gain power... I suppose that's very similar to the plot of TIH (supposedly good guy helps army then turns on them).

spideymouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2008, 04:26 PM   #11
artemzz
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

Yeah that would be cool for sure. If Marvel had the right to all their characters then there would be some fantastic movies come out. Maybe 2 super heroes in one like IronMan/Hulk.
But Sony has rights to Spider-man and I think FOX has the rights to X-Men?
Marvel needs to wait out the contracts for these heroes and then they can make some really great movies. So far in my opinion, Marvel is 2/2. IronMan was a success and Hulk had a great opening weekend and looks like its on its way to success as well.

  Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2008, 04:32 PM   #12
Hunter Rider
Ronin
SHH! Administrator
 
Hunter Rider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Camp Manuel
Posts: 137,267
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/881/881979p1.html

Iron Man 2 Villain Buzz
Will it be the Mandarin or the Hulk?
by Jim Vejvoda





US, June 16, 2008 - Although he has not yet been signed to direct the sequel, Iron Man director Jon Favreau has been blogging who fans might expect to see menace Shellhead in Iron Man 2.

In a posting at his MySpace blog, Favreau revealed that "The Mandarin is Iron Man's nemesis and will be incorporated in the sequel. It's true that I am apprehensive about how he is to be presented. In the tech based modern world that we created for (Iron Man), a Fu Manchu style villain with magical/alien tech rings would seem out of place."

Favreau added, "There were early drafts of (Iron Man) where the Mandarin was the main villain, so we've already explored the character to some extent. I am curious to see how he has been treated in his latest books and how that might influence our direction."

He also said, "I've already mentioned War Machine and Mandarin. I have some ideas, but I really need to sit down with Downey and the Marvel guys before we say much more." And when asked about the chances of Obadiah Stane returning (SPOILER ALERT) despite his apparent death at the end of the first film, Favreau quipped, "Stane's death? Do characters ever really die in Marvel? Isn't it like a soap opera?"

When asked about this report that claimed the Hulk might pop up in Iron Man 2 (just as Tony Stark did in The Incredible Hulk), Favreau replied, "There are no plans to do so."

__________________
thinkmcflythink.com
Movie fans, hop in your Delorean and check it out!

"Now this life is etched in black but I wont be looking back, the rain washed out the tracks, I'll never find again"

Hunter Rider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2008, 04:59 PM   #13
spideymouse
Side-Kick
 
spideymouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,506
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter Rider View Post
http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/881/881979p1.html

Iron Man 2 Villain Buzz
Will it be the Mandarin or the Hulk?
by Jim Vejvoda





US, June 16, 2008 - Although he has not yet been signed to direct the sequel, Iron Man director Jon Favreau has been blogging who fans might expect to see menace Shellhead in Iron Man 2.

In a posting at his MySpace blog, Favreau revealed that "The Mandarin is Iron Man's nemesis and will be incorporated in the sequel. It's true that I am apprehensive about how he is to be presented. In the tech based modern world that we created for (Iron Man), a Fu Manchu style villain with magical/alien tech rings would seem out of place."

Favreau added, "There were early drafts of (Iron Man) where the Mandarin was the main villain, so we've already explored the character to some extent. I am curious to see how he has been treated in his latest books and how that might influence our direction."

He also said, "I've already mentioned War Machine and Mandarin. I have some ideas, but I really need to sit down with Downey and the Marvel guys before we say much more." And when asked about the chances of Obadiah Stane returning (SPOILER ALERT) despite his apparent death at the end of the first film, Favreau quipped, "Stane's death? Do characters ever really die in Marvel? Isn't it like a soap opera?"

When asked about this report that claimed the Hulk might pop up in Iron Man 2 (just as Tony Stark did in The Incredible Hulk), Favreau replied, "There are no plans to do so."
Yeah, I've read that, Hunter Rider. Then again, seemingly "there are no plans" to bring back Jon Favreau, for some (and no good) reason. Unless...

...could it be that Louis Leterrier is waiting in the wings--since he seemed quite interested in doing more Marvel films--to direct an Iron Man/Hulk sequel? The logical part of me says "probably not," but the geek in me says "yes please!!!"

spideymouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2008, 07:39 PM   #14
Ironfan72
Golden Avenger
 
Ironfan72's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Stark International
Posts: 2,203
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

Iron Man has plenty of good,solid villians and stories, that a Hulk/Iron Man duo sequal is un-appealing to me personally, I'm more interested in seeing Iron Man's universe, save a Hulk / Iron Man fight for Avengers.

__________________
www.advancediron.org -The Ultimate Iron Man Website.
Ironfan72 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2008, 11:59 PM   #15
spideymouse
Side-Kick
 
spideymouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,506
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironfan72 View Post
Iron Man has plenty of good,solid villians and stories, that a Hulk/Iron Man duo sequal is un-appealing to me personally, I'm more interested in seeing Iron Man's universe, save a Hulk / Iron Man fight for Avengers.
I agree with you somewhat. But I also think that many many people would find an Iron Man vs. Hulk movie very appealing.

Anyway, I think this was mostly a response to how Iron Man 2 is scheduled before The Avengers. I agree that any Iron Man sequel should stand alone in his own world (since RDJ is quite the man), and that his stories are appealing enough.

However, it looks like Iron Man 2 will have to lead up to the Avengers movie again, just as IM and TIH have, and just as Thor and Captain America will. If there is a way to address the Avenger Initiative and the "team" he discusses with General Ross in a stand-alone, exclusively-Iron Man story, then I'm all for it. Perhaps Sam Jackson will co-star, perhaps Rhodey will suit up, and perhaps there will be many more cameos.

But I just feel like it will be the third of five movies with cameos and winks and teasers, and I might just want something different. I do NOT want Iron Man 2 to simply point people to the Avengers (again) the way that Pirates 2 simply pointed people to Pirates 3 (I feel that made Pirates 2 weak).

The real solution would be to have Iron Man 2 after the Avengers, but Marvel of course has to milk its cash cow.

Kevin Feige, please show us the bigger picture here!


Last edited by spideymouse; 06-17-2008 at 12:04 AM.
spideymouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2008, 12:08 AM   #16
spideymouse
Side-Kick
 
spideymouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,506
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

Additionally, making an Iron Man/Hulk sequel would tell a very compelling story (heroes on either side of the law--can someone say Civil War?). It would also act as a revolutionary step toward the validity of future Marvel Team-Up movies--personally I've always liked Spider-Man/Daredevil crossovers. FF2 didn't do so well in doing that, but it had that type of potential.

spideymouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2008, 12:08 AM   #17
spideymouse
Side-Kick
 
spideymouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,506
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

I think the biggest and most valid argument against an Iron Man vs. Hulk movie is that the Avengers has always formed with a preceding "everyone vs. Hulk" battle (both Earth-616 and Ultimate universes tell that story). A preceding Iron Man vs. Hulk movie would cause such an important battle to either seem repetitive or rob the Avengers movie of it.

spideymouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2008, 06:58 AM   #18
carnage17
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Gotham City!
Posts: 57
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

does anyone like chicken soup?

carnage17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2008, 09:40 AM   #19
Victarion
Cut
 
Victarion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 11,990
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

No its crap and you're off topic.

Iron Man still has the Mandarin and Fin Fang Foom to go up against before we run out of baddies. Likewise, Hulk has the Leader, plus a band of gamma-born beasts he'd likely create through his experiments. Just no dogs, please.

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colin Trevorrow
But with all this talk of filmmakers “ruining our childhood”, we forget that right now is someone else’s childhood. This is their time.
Victarion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2008, 10:07 AM   #20
Angamb
Banned User
 
Angamb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Spain
Posts: 13,348
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

I think is a nice idea for any superhero, but in this case, I think the Avengers movie will have more impact if it is the first time all the characters meet.

Angamb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2008, 11:17 AM   #21
FaT_tONle
Banned User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: En Mi Casa
Posts: 14,549
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

Avenegrs will be the Iron Man vs Hulk movie because I doubt Hulk is just going to start out as an Avengers right off the bat. The Avengers will have to bring him in or something before that can happen. As for Hulk 2... Avengers will be Hulk 2 pretty much. If Norton is still enamored with the character he may do a sequel afterwards. But right now, the best place to sell the Hulk is in Avengers.

FaT_tONle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2008, 11:29 AM   #22
EternalMaster
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 483
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

Having an immediate cross-over movie this soon is unnecessary. Iron Man needs to have another solo sequel. His character will probably be the biggest single draw to the Avengers movie, so let Marvel build him up to spectacular heights before a cross-over.

EternalMaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2008, 12:20 PM   #23
Scooter
Banned User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,922
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

I'd rather not see the Iron Man franchise dragged down like that.

Scooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2008, 01:46 PM   #24
Angamb
Banned User
 
Angamb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Spain
Posts: 13,348
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

I'm agreed about Ironman being the main interest of the audience.

I have certain doubts about the other solo movies having the same success as Ironman....

we'll see it next years.

Angamb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2008, 06:12 PM   #25
saberewok
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

Man this will be big. I wonder how much fees the A listers will be getting?

  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:13 AM.

monitoring_string = "dee460792f24517621e3ca080805de7e"
Contact Us - Mobile - SuperHeroHype - ComingSoon.net - Shock Till You Drop - Lost Password - Clear Cookies - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Top - AdChoices


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SuperHeroHype.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.